[Confidential] Are one night stands common?

[Gridlock]

Originally Posted by xilley

I always get one night stand when I go clubbing.

sometimes even two in one night.

of course you do.

[jdmhaze]

Originally Posted by xilley

I always get one night stand when I go clubbing.

sometimes even two in one night.

only 9's/10's right?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

depends on who you ask dude.

depends on your circle and life style.

and also the area you live in.

yes one night stands are common. just because you don't experience it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

there are plenty of millionaires in the world, how many do u know? does it mean none of them exist?

there are people that do tons of drugs, if you don't know any it just means you're not in that "scene".

it's not so hard to believe that there are people so slick they can pick up girls more than half the times they go out.

especially if you look at it globally. don't look at just vancouver.

i also find the older you get, the more common it is. the easier it is. the less people care. it's just... having fun.

remember, repetition of any skill set makes you better. how often do you go hit on girls and go clubbing?

some people i know go clubbing 3-5 times a week, every fucking week. what are the chances they are better at the skill of picking up girls than someone that goes clubbing once a month or less?

i can guarantee if you're slick/smooth, got more money to blow than the average person, and you know how to socialize, your chances are exponentially higher than the guy standing next to you. you don't even have to be super good looking. being slick is also knowing how to dress and be charismatic.

if you go out and only hit on 10 girls in one night what are your chances?

I know guys that when they go out to pick up girls (not club... main purpose is to get laid), they'll go into clubs, hit on every girl, if they see or feel nothing, they leave RIGHT away, hit on every girl down the street, and hit up multiple bars/clubs. OF COURSE they're gonna get laid way more often.

most of all these guys have no fear and don't care how other's view them. they know what they want. and they won't let social stigmatization or fear stop them. they know what they want, they reach out and grab it.

they have way more exposure. it's a game. the more you play it, the better you get. that's all it is. like any other skill set in life. experience and repetition.

[mr_chin]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

depends on who you ask dude.

depends on your circle and life style.

and also the area you live in.

yes one night stands are common. just because you don't experience it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

there are plenty of millionaires in the world, how many do u know? does it mean none of them exist?

there are people that do tons of drugs, if you don't know any it just means you're not in that "scene".

it's not so hard to believe that there are people so slick they can pick up girls more than half the times they go out.

especially if you look at it globally. don't look at just vancouver.

i also find the older you get, the more common it is. the easier it is. the less people care. it's just... having fun.

remember, repetition of any skill set makes you better. how often do you go hit on girls and go clubbing?

some people i know go clubbing 3-5 times a week, every fucking week. what are the chances they are better at the skill of picking up girls than someone that goes clubbing once a month or less?

i can guarantee if you're slick/smooth, got more money to blow than the average person, and you know how to socialize, your chances are exponentially higher than the guy standing next to you. you don't even have to be super good looking. being slick is also knowing how to dress and be charismatic.

if you go out and only hit on 10 girls in one night what are your chances?

I know guys that when they go out to pick up girls (not club... main purpose is to get laid), they'll go into clubs, hit on every girl, if they see or feel nothing, they leave RIGHT away, hit on every girl down the street, and hit up multiple bars/clubs. OF COURSE they're gonna get laid way more often.

most of all these guys have no fear and don't care how other's view them. they know what they want. and they won't let social stigmatization or fear stop them. they know what they want, they reach out and grab it.

they have way more exposure. it's a game. the more you play it, the better you get. that's all it is. like any other skill set in life. experience and repetition.

I wouldn't really call that a skill then. You're specifically speaking of just guys when in turn there are girls that does the same. So what these guys you talk about do are go on a search for the opposite sex with the same intention.

If a chick have no intention of ONS, they will not stand at a bar waiting to get picked up for a ONS.

So if anyone here wants to join the circle of ONS, make sure you know what you're getting into. The person you have ONS with, have probably done it a hundred times.

[inkcognito]

There are huge risks with ONS, not everyone might be down for it, but you'd be surprised how many people actually are. It's really just a matter of how you approach, and execute. You don't necessarily just have ONS with people you meet in clubs/bars, etc etc. It could honestly just be a friend of a friend that you've met over dinner or just someone you casually started a conversation with who just happens to be a cashier at superstore.

Now, don't expect to be reeling in 9's/10's, even 8's, if all you're aiming for is an ONS.
Unless if you go to Mirage in Surrey on a thursday night, then there's a possibility you can catch at least an 8.5.

[snails]

i have experienced "one night stands" a few times but its never from just meeting someone going back to my place and fcking, its was always someone i talked to for a little bit and showed some interest in and decided not to pursue it further after sex.. not sure if thats technically a one night stand.. but close enough

as goes for the number of girls a guy has slept with i dont personally think it makes them "cooler" ill admit my number may be higher than average but i would never brag to my friends about it cuz its not much of an accomplishment, its just what i chose to do in my spare time.

and avoid randoms.. you dont wanna mess around with the chance of sti/pregnancy..

anyways its pretty dumb for a guy to brag about it because girls done like hearing that shit and i cut that number in half if a gf was ever to ask... its not an accomplishment to girls.. its just another reason for them to lose interest in you.

[BaoTurbo]

Originally Posted by jdmhaze

only 9's/10's right?

Yea 9's/10's after downing a couple shots of 151

[Tapioca]

Been there, done that. It's elusive and happens when you least expect it to, but when it does, enjoy the ride. Always have protection on hand. Also, your kitchen and fridge should always be stocked with enough to make a decent breakfast the next morning and fresh towels don't hurt either.

And yes, it can happen to your average Asian guy.
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[trancehead]

Originally Posted by mr_chin

I wouldn't really call that a skill then. You're specifically speaking of just guys when in turn there are girls that does the same. So what these guys you talk about do are go on a search for the opposite sex with the same intention.

If a chick have no intention of ONS, they will not stand at a bar waiting to get picked up for a ONS.

So if anyone here wants to join the circle of ONS, make sure you know what you're getting into. The person you have ONS with, have probably done it a hundred times.

it is a game. and games require skill

if you intend on picking up a girl youve never met before: even if there are chicks wanting ONS, they dont just advertise it with a billboard. those are called hookers

you gotta jump through hoops lilke you would with any facet in life. be it, selling insurance, selling ur car, negotiating logistics, cock blocking friends. it is how you navigate the social realm. basically- do you have the linguistic and body language capabilities to translate your social wants/functionalities

i agree with your latter point though, wear a bag

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by mr_chin

I wouldn't really call that a skill then. You're specifically speaking of just guys when in turn there are girls that does the same. So what these guys you talk about do are go on a search for the opposite sex with the same intention.

If a chick have no intention of ONS, they will not stand at a bar waiting to get picked up for a ONS.

So if anyone here wants to join the circle of ONS, make sure you know what you're getting into. The person you have ONS with, have probably done it a hundred times.

no dude, that is all there is to ONS.

what you are thinking of is super duper rare... only someone with no experience would say that.

anyone that's had ONS knows... that's exactly what ONS is. anyone who's willing to do a ONS is already in that circle.

if you pick up a girl that wasn't INTENDING on having a ONS, but she goes home with you, she's already "willing" and "open" to the idea of getting picked up, otherwise she wouldn't of gone with you. what's the difference?

you think ONS only applies to guys that go out and hit up innocent girls that have never had ONS? that's just called picking up a girl that's about to have her initiation to the ONS circle. everyone has their first time. and once that door is open, like any drug, it's just... whatever. you either keep doing it or you don't.

it IS still skill. you go out, and you're looking to pick up a girl, ONS or not, it doesnt matter, the point is just to get someone you find attractive home tonight. and if you do, that's ALL there is to the game. it doesn't matter who she is. doesnt matter if she does ONS every night or she's never had a ONS.

the game is in YOUR hands. you're telling me if a dude goes out looking to pick up girls and he just happens to pick up a girl that's had ONS's before and sleeps with him that night, it's not skill?

you make it sound like as if she'd sleep with any guy that wanted a ONS.
no man. it still takes skill. i can bet you 9/10 guys that approach her will still have no chance in hell.

girls that stand around waiting to get picked up still FILTER guys. they want a guy they WANT. and they want a guy that's smooth enough to intrigue them.

most guys in this thread couldn't get a ONS if they went out 5 days a week every week. they'd have to keep doing it till they got smooth enough that even the "slutty" ONS girls accept them.

you go out there and try to get a ONS with someone that isn't below your standards. someone you find attractive (i don't care if they're sluts or innocent girls or some bar star etc). I bet you you'll have less than a 10% success rate.

I could put most men here in front of an attractive girl looking for a ONS and they wouldn't have a chance.

and by the way, if you're out looking to pick up a girl, you shouldn't care how many times she's fucked or had ONS, and she shouldn't care about how many times you've done it. that's not the point of a ONS.

ONS with a clean girl/guy that doesn't sleep around... that's an oxymoron. that's not a ONS situation. you're just looking for a fucking BF or GF... not a ONS.

ONS is the epitome of sleeping around. that's the WHOLE point.

trancehead knows what i'm talking about.

Originally Posted by trancehead

it is a game. and games require skill
you gotta jump through hoops lilke you would with any facet in life. be it, selling insurance, selling ur car, negotiating logistics, cock blocking friends. it is how you navigate the social realm. basically- do you have the linguistic and body language capabilities to translate your social wants/functionalities

like trancehead says, when you go out and pick up girls, you don't know if they're looking for a ONS or not. you go and you hit on them and you feel them out... see if they're down or find you attractive etc. see if the energy flows back and forth, if it does... how do you know she's just not really attracted to you? how do you know she's not looking for a ONS or maybe she was just bored or there really is just some spark for the moment? you don't know. you don't ASK them "oh youre standing at a bar, you must be looking for a ONS". how do you know?
not all girls that stand around are looking for ONS's. and that's so stereotyped... i have barely in my life ever seen a girl just standing there at a bar, waiting all night for the right guy to come by to "pick them up". every ONS i've had stared on the dance floor. i zero in on someone I find is attractive and I just approach them, dance with them, drink with them and if I'm not feeling it, or she's not feeling it... you move on. I don't know who she is. you never know till afterwards when you get to know them better.

some girls immediately you know they have very little or no experience with ONS's but they're still down cuz they like you. some other girls immediately you know she's a pro and you can skip all the bullshit and just cut to the chase. once u know how to work it... yeah.. it's just a game man. you don't care where they come from. you just want to pick up girls.

the success is only measured in whether or not you fuck her. that's it. that's the ONLY rule to the game. you either score, or you don't.


I'm not trying to make myself look like some master pickup artist or some shit. my success rate is like... less than 40%. it's not that high at all. but there were a few years where I went out a lot. and the actual number of ONS i've had is a lot higher than most men, but the success rate isn't that high. it's like fishing... you don't always catch fish every time you go out. but if you go fishing often, you'll catch a lot more fish than the person next to you.

[Tapioca]

^ It does take a bit of skill to close the deal, but in my experience, women know what they want and if you're what they want, it's not really that hard.
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by inkcognito

You don't necessarily just have ONS with people you meet in clubs/bars, etc etc. It could honestly just be a friend of a friend that you've met over dinner or just someone you casually started a conversation with who just happens to be a cashier at superstore.

Originally Posted by snails

i have experienced "one night stands" a few times but its never from just meeting someone going back to my place and fcking, its was always someone i talked to for a little bit and showed some interest in and decided not to pursue it further after sex.. not sure if thats technically a one night stand.. but close enough

yep... these are way more common than ONS. a lot of times it's just friend of a friend. there was just some brief attraction, just enough to get you to sex, but not enough to extend any further than that.

SNS (several night stands LOL) are way "easier" and "fun" in my opinion (and girls are way more down for that, it's way less "slutty" and they at least feel temporarily loved). it's just like having a gf for a few nights/months... the spark fades, the end. next.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

^ It does take a bit of skill to close the deal, but in my experience, women know what they want and if you're what they want, it's not really that hard.
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yeah... so i don't get what you're trying to say dude.

that's basically my philosophy on ONS or picking up girls. why would you ever go after a girl that ISN'T attracted to you? ...there would be way less authentic passion. if there's no passion... fuck it's just masturbating with a vagina. how is it different than going to a hooker or jerking off?

it's always easiest and most smooth and fun when both parties like each other. it's like..... instant BAM. skip all the bullshit, go straight to the passionate and intimate part. figure out whether if you REALLY like each other after. if not. NEXT.


if you're talking about picking up a girl that doesn't know what she wants, and doesn't like you... well... that's still a ONS but obviously it'll be a lot harder... but what's that gotta do with whether its a ONS or not? how do you KNOW she doesnt know what she wants, or she's playing it off as hard to get so she doesn't seem as slutty?

a lot of girls are so hesitant... soooo hesitant. but it's just that special 2 seconds where you're able to convince them to get in your car instead of their friends or whatever. some girls don't wanna be seen picked up like that. you gotta be aware of how they feel. how they want to be perceived.

some girls just wanna be whisked away in the dark when no ones looking. some girls wanna be seen. some girls just don't care.... in the end it's all the same. you never know.

[trancehead]

ulic lol:



anyways here is one of my ONS but not with a stranger:

ive known this girl for maybe 2 years prior, and we are usually really flirty and touchy

now fast foward about 1 year and a half later, i bump into her at the club. we start grinding and im mauling her. then i start making out with her (first time ive kissed her). logistics regarding her own friends in the club work out in my favor, and i end up leaving the club with her alone.
i then end up driving her to my house

i nailed her. and we didnt really keep in contact afterwards. then about 4 months later i call her to hangout. we had somewhat of a date, then i went to her house and banged again

====================
its an interesting social encounter in general if anything
things you read about or see in movies, these scenes are usually are drawn from some past experience and not just from thin air.

so you start to wonder, what is the context and how would the person be able to maneuver themself into these situations. i think in part that is what makes a good actor... he has been in a situation like that before, and can definitely portray it on screen.

if you extend this into one's own life, you can project just about anything onto your life.

read a good quote from Deepak Chopra on linked in today:
"Your body is a process not a structure"
--his context was moreso on physical changes. but we can also say the Mind is a process, not a rigid structure

[trancehead]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

^ It does take a bit of skill to close the deal, but in my experience, women know what they want and if you're what they want, it's not really that hard.
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agreed, and to add to that:

1. knowing what women what. for some traits like: height, culuture. those things are inherited. you have no control. but things like: fitness, grooming, clothes, money, intelligence: those can be changed and improved. constantly. and you can definlitely tilt these traits in your favour with women. that is a skill as well

2. the point in being that its not that hard: think of the all the past experiences that have made you who you are today.
if you lacked some of the qualities/traits that these experiences have molded you into, then maybe you would not get to that point into saying that it is easy

[inkcognito]

Just thought I'd throw this in here. I didn't need this to get me laid, but look at it as some sort of guideline for the beginners, or someone who's getting a little rusty due to being in a long-term relationship. It was definitely a good read also!

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

yeah... so i don't get what you're trying to say dude.

My point is that one night stands usually come as a result of luck. I disagree with the view that if a guy works on his ONS game enough, he will get lucky. It takes skill to close, but getting noticed by a woman is not a skill.

Trancehead: agree with your points above. Men can definitely make themselves more attractive and therefore increase their chances of casual sex.
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[Soundy]

Originally Posted by inkcognito

Just thought I'd throw this in here. I didn't need this to get me laid, but look at it as some sort of guideline for the beginners, or someone who's getting a little rusty due to being in a long-term relationship. It was definitely a good read also!

Or you could just read my blog

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

My point is that one night stands usually come as a result of luck. I disagree with the view that if a guy works on his ONS game enough, he will get lucky. It takes skill to close, but getting noticed by a woman is not a skill.

Reminds me of that one episode of King of the Hill, where Bobby wanted to get dating tips from Boomhauer, who of course, is always seen with a different hot woman... Bobby then watches Boomhauer get shot down repeatedly while asking out different women in the mall, and realizes the truth: it's not "easy" for him to pick up women, he just keeps asking until he finds one that DOESN'T turn him down.

[trancehead]

haha you can frame it two ways. they either arnt turning you down, or they are accepting you

its like doing on a job search .you hand your resumes out. maybe 20% accept it, and ask for an interview. some interviews you bomb, others are easy. you may get a job offer, they may tell you your skills arnt up to expectations but they like your attitude and want to you reapply later, or you may be told to fuck off and never to contact that company again

[mr_chin]

I guess you can say it takes social skills, and anyone who can have a long conversation with someone will eventually find their target. Their intention takes the night away and they act/say everything out by nature.

You're probably right that most guys on here won't even have a chance if given the chance, and that is because it's not their intention in the first place to have a ONS or they've never really done it before.

You have to go out there with the real feel of wanting a ONS. If you're saying these guys can get ONS with any girls because they possess "this" skill, then I say that's pretty skilled. But this is not the case. The girl(s) must want to in the first place, be it just "wanting" to meet someone at a bar/club to really wanting a ONS. So is it really a skill trait or is it just filtering out girls who want and not want a ONS?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Originally Posted by inkcognito

Just thought I'd throw this in here. I didn't need this to get me laid, but look at it as some sort of guideline for the beginners, or someone who's getting a little rusty due to being in a long-term relationship. It was definitely a good read also!

the book is a good "guide" and just to kinda get you "pumped" and in the "mindset" for this kinda stuff. everyone has their own style though. I find too many people read this book and try to emulate it 100%... they don't really learn the social aspects of interaction... they just read the little corny tricks and lines and... they basically become a one trick pony. they still didn't gain anything out of it.

well, i guess the book mainly gets you to DO it.. to take the first step and approach that hottie you have been eyeing for the past 10min. most men don't even take that step, let alone the corny tricks and lines the book tries to teach you.

Originally Posted by Tapioca

My point is that one night stands usually come as a result of luck. I disagree with the view that if a guy works on his ONS game enough, he will get lucky. It takes skill to close, but getting noticed by a woman is not a skill.

Trancehead: agree with your points above. Men can definitely make themselves more attractive and therefore increase their chances of casual sex.
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i still don't get what you're saying. you say it comes from luck (yes i agree some aspect is luck, like anything in life, being in the right place at the right time with the right state of mind and taking action right at the right moment).... but that's EVERYTHING in life.

ignoring being at the right place at the right time... taking action is the skill... we can all agree on that. even if the action is incorrect (can be corrected and modified later). how many times do we hesitate and the moment slips away? action is a skill. that's universally agreed on this thread... ok next:

you go on to say, getting noticed by women is not a skill?
but you just agreed with what trancehead said... the stuff you can control, how much money you have, your looks, your charisma etc... makes you more attractive therefore increases the chances for casual sex (not just casual... increase your chases for ALL forms of attraction, not just sexual).

i'm sure you can remember a time in your life when you couldn't get the attention of the woman you're attracted to (we don't care about attracting women you're not attracted to... lol a 4/10 woman could be totally in love with a cool guy but... who cares about her, we're not trying to get her).

i mean, everyone has had a time in their life where you tried a buncha shit but you couldn't get noticed by the chick you want. some people are still stuck in this rut. i mean, you might not be, but i'm sure you have plenty of friends that are. so yes, maybe if they get lucky... well.. its luck of being right place right time and taking action. but what about YOU? what about trancehead or me? or all the other RS sluts?

getting the attention of a woman by initiating is a skill (action), and of course she has to divert her attention to you... you are interacting with her... even if it's just a small action like smiling and saying hi. she will have your attention for at least a split second.

what about just standing there? and having women eye you down. being the one where women eye you for the past 10min? is that a skill? being good looking naturally is obviously not a skill. but there's plenty of good looking guys that cant properly groom themselves, cant dress, or as soon as they interact with women they're socially awkward (or they're just socially awkward all the time).

Getting her to recognize you exist is a low level skill. to get the "full attention" of a woman is skill. it requires all of the above. luck being at the right place right time. taking action. having social skills. charisma. good looks. etc whatever. it's a whole package deal.

one trick ponies don't get very far. but it's still a form of skill.

there are guys that can't even do what one trick ponies do. they would be happy if a girl even looked them in the eye for more than 3 seconds and smiled.


guy #1: has everything. educated, smooth, charismatic, got money, looks good, dresses well, etc. got everything.

guy #2: only has half of what guy #1 has.

so if we put them in some simulation and they're both able to pick up the same super hottie they've both been eyeing... who has more skill?

can you really say guy 2 has more skill than guy 1? sure guy 2 has a lot more to compensate... but maybe it's just that girl only cares about half of those things.
or like you say, maybe she's also looking for a ONS. you don't know these things. you aren't psychic or have clairvoyance. you don't know anything about any situation other than the information that is perceived by you. and we all know perception is highly skewed. we can put 5 men in the same situation and they could all say different things about it.

that's why i said... as long as you close... that's the main skill. thats the only "thing" that matters. if you close, you win.

if you can't even get noticed by the woman, then there's no way you can close.

say you're right and getting noticed by a woman is not a skill. it's just luck. you just said closing is a skill. but ONS is not? is ONS not closing?!

as soon as the tip of your dick enters some orifice in her, you're closing. that's it. game over. you (both) win.

Originally Posted by mr_chin

I guess you can say it takes social skills, and anyone who can have a long conversation with someone will eventually find their target. Their intention takes the night away and they act/say everything out by nature.

You're probably right that most guys on here won't even have a chance if given the chance, and that is because it's not their intention in the first place to have a ONS or they've never really done it before.

You have to go out there with the real feel of wanting a ONS. If you're saying these guys can get ONS with any girls because they possess "this" skill, then I say that's pretty skilled. But this is not the case. The girl(s) must want to in the first place, be it just "wanting" to meet someone at a bar/club to really wanting a ONS. So is it really a skill trait or is it just filtering out girls who want and not want a ONS?

I'm pretty sure a lot of guys, while standing at a club or eyeing some girl, they have the intent of wanting to meet her, they don't think about whether it's gonna be a ONS or a long term relationship... they just wanna get to know her and whatever happens happens.

I know personally if I'm out on the prowl, i don't lock my mindset to one thing. if i meet a chick and she's really cool i'm not gonna just fuck and dump her JUST cuz i was on the prowl for a ONS. maybe she's really cool and a relationship past one night is an option.

a girl doesn't have to want a ONS to get put into a ONS situation. there are tons of greasy slick guys that will say anything to get a girl in bed. I've seen tons of guys "trick" "nice/innocent" girls into ONS. they say they love them or whatever the girl wants to hear, and she's so ignorant that she sleeps with him. then the guy just never fucking calls her back and she feels used and cries her eyes out or whatever. that's still a ONS right? but only one party knew beforehand that it was premeditated.

I guess like i said above, perception matters a lot. maybe your skill set comes from being able to identify who wants a ONS and who doesn't. that's not how I go do things though. I just go do whatever, and whatever happens happens. if it happens to be a one night stand then i label it AFTER wards that it's a one night stand.

Let me give u another example:
I out with my buddies partying. one of my buddies brings a female friend. The club is kinda dead that night and that female friend is actually the most attractive girl there. All the other guys try to buy her drinks and talk to her and dance with her, but she kinda just keeps her distance and plays friendly. I start talking to her and we click. I find her physically decent, and intelligent enough that i'm not repulsed. and vice versa for her. we don't make out or grind or anything at the club. we talk a lot and while having a few drinks. at the end of the night, I grab her hand and take her home... the deed is done. the next day we part ways and we keep in contact via text. She texts a lot and over the course of the next YEAR, we never meet again. but she consistently texts. she doesn't bitch about being used or whatever. but always hints at the fact we should meet again. that never happens. after a year, we stop talking.

is that not a one night stand?
it wasnt premeditated.

was it luck? why didn't she go home with any of the other guys? was it how I looked? how i dressed? what i said to her? what was it? was she looking for a ONS and picked me? was it luck? I don't know. All i know is, whatever she saw in me, that was the only "skill" i needed that particular night for that particular girl.

yeah i would consider that night "lucky". I didn't have to do anything except just be more interesting than the other guys in the club (no sweat there). but those are inherit skills that i have displayed to be better than the other guys that night.

This has happened many times. is it consistent "luck"? why have those other guys not have had this "luck" to them ever?

what if the girl was a complete stranger? would make it more "skilled" that I got her?

that example was the "easiest" lay i have ever gotten where I was the one to initiate. there were much easier ones where the girls initiated (is that luck as well? what if they initiated and i was a total turn off?).

I don't know man... I think everything is skill.
Like a race car, you can't just have a good engine, or good tires, or aerodynamics or whatever. you have to have a good balance of everything. i think it's all skill.

the only time I could admit where it was purely luck was... I was in HK and it was 6am and i walked outta volar. there was this chick standing there that just eyed me down and ran away from her friends and asked me to go "ktv" with her and her friends. she was pretty hot (and pretty drunk), so i went. obviously we didn't go to KTV. to me that was luck. but again. there were a hundred other guys to choose from. was it one of the passive skills (looks, dress) that I had? or was it blind luck and she just rolled the dice and the first guy that walked into her sight she would jump on?

I don't know. I don't care. I know I got laid, and the people around me didn't.


I have this other friend, he's a total "professor" type. really smart, super high IQ. he's a genius level intellect type guy. KIND of socially awkward (he'll do weird shit like sleep in clubs if he's tired instead of hitting on the hot girls sitting beside him, or go into some intellectual ramble... a total tangent from the current situation), and no street smarts. he dresses fairly decently. and looks decent. he is very reckless and adventurous. this guy is unbelievable. no shame, no fear. he hits on every hot girl he sees. he'll chase a girl across a block if he seems her walking. he approaches every girl he sees, even if they're with their BF's or other guys. he has really high standards for looks too. like REALLY high. this guy has fucked so many girls in his life. and like 70% of them are fucking REALLY hot. because he tries and tries again. he doesnt give up. even if it's the same girl. according to you, his skillset is luck. but from my perspective, he's got way more game and way more skill than me. even though he's not as good looking and not as smooth. he has the balls. he takes action 100x more than me. he follows through and just fucking keeps trying. he's probably fucked at least 200+ girls in his life. and most of them are gorgeous women that you see more in magazines than in real life. luck? skill? both? I don't know. u can call it luck or whatever... I just know he's fucking the girls I wanna fuck almost on a regular basis, and I'm happy as hell if I can get one of those chicks once in a while.

I guess the only thing we can learn from this thread is some people like being machine gunners, and some people like being snipers. whatever works for them. everyone has their own style. but i still think it's all skill. operating a machine gun and sniper rifle both require a different set of skills.

[trancehead]

Originally Posted by mr_chin

I guess you can say it takes social skills, and anyone who can have a long conversation with someone will eventually find their target. Their intention takes the night away and they act/say everything out by nature.

wat?

You have to go out there with the real feel of wanting a ONS. If you're saying these guys can get ONS with any girls because they possess "this" skill, then I say that's pretty skilled. But this is not the case. The girl(s) must want to in the first place, be it just "wanting" to meet someone at a bar/club to really wanting a ONS. So is it really a skill trait or is it just filtering out girls who want and not want a ONS?

you frame it as black and white as: girl wants one night stand vs girl does not want.

think of it rather as a spectrum. It is not discrete (either a 0 or 1) but rather a gradient of values (between 0 and 1)

so what it comes down to is how you can convert this number into you getting your dick wet

eg. picture a hooker being a 1. someone who just fought with their boyfriend and wants revenge a 0.5 . someone who wont touch you with a ten foot pole : 0

obviously it takes almost no effort for the 1. more skill for the 0.5.

[westopher]

Heres some simplified common one night stand situations. Get yourself into one if you want one badly.
1. You are attractive to women, and don't fuck it up somehow. You bang
2. You ball hard, you don't fuck it up somehow by being ugly or stupid, or you ball so hard that someone doesn't care how ugly or stupid you are. You bang a gold digger.
3. You are manipulative, but not too manipulative. You convince a girl it will benefit her to bang you.
4. You are cool, have a lot of fun with a girl and she is down to have more fun. You bang.
5. You are gross, but desperate. You bang a gross desperate girl.
6. You have a bunch of coke. Self explanatory.

[inkcognito]

Originally Posted by Soundy

Or you could just read my blog

I had a good laugh out of that book also, but I haven't checked out the website.. This will keep me preoccupied during work today
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