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Old 09-11-2013, 01:57 PM   #1
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not gunna do shit, if companies like icbc are raking in the cash and the government is getting portions of it there is no way they will just let it go..
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Semi related article that was a week ago and I'm surprised nobody posted anything on it.

Ministry eyes increase for speed limits on B.C. highways | CTV British Columbia News

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Speed limits on B.C. highways are long overdue for a review and could see an increase based on current research, the province’s new transportation minister says.

It’s been more than a decade since the government last reviewed current speed limits, Todd Stone said Thursday.

About 85 per cent of British Columbians routinely travel 10 kilometres above the speed limit, but it’s actually the drivers going the speed limit who are at risk – especially on highways, according to Stone.

“The person travelling 10 kilometres below is arguably of greater harm to him or herself and others travelling on that corridor,” he said.

Stone has instructed his staff to review the limits, as well as the policies behind setting speed limits, with a goal of producing a list of recommendations by next spring.

“What we would like to do is get out there, have a conversation with British Columbians and take a hard look at the data,” he said.

B.C. Premier Christy Clark supported the move, saying she’s received plenty of feedback that many of the province’s routes are too slow.

“I can tell you as a representative from the Okanagan there are a lot of people who say we don’t have the speed limits right,” she said at an event Wednesday. “I think it’s appropriate that we go and we make sure that the speed limits are right all across this province.”

Ian Tootill, co-founder of Sense B.C., an organization that advocates “sensible road safety laws and enforcement,” said an increase in speed limits wouldn’t automatically mean drivers would then go even faster on highways.

“It’s a fallacy that many people hold on to, that when you set a posted limit people will always exceed it. It doesn’t work like that. It’s been proven false time and time again,” he said.

Tootill said there is a safe travel speed that drivers naturally gravitate toward, and most B.C. highways are below that limit.

By raising the speed limit, law enforcement can then “focus on the people that are really exceeding the speed limit and causing the problems, and then I think we’ll all be happy,” he said.

“We have some of the best cars, the best roads, and people in British Columbia are no dumber than anywhere else, they can handle it.”]

Have your say: Should the government up the speed limit on B.C. highways?

With a report from CTV British Columbia's St. John Alexander
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New transportation minister believes highway speeds are too low and should be raised.
Christy Clark supports the move.
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Great Video with some awesome points. I have a hard time believing the government will act on the demands of the motoring public, they are just making too much money off the current setup.

Its worth emailing your local rep though!
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I'm sold!

I know the secton in surrey just off the patullo, if gets painfully awkward to do 50kph and feels unsafe to do so.

Am I supposed to hit the brakes to do 50?

Nanny state bullshit. Free country my ass.
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The highway going thru Nanaimo goes from 80 to 70 to 60 to 50 in about 8 KM's. it's ridiculous.
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Really impressed that someone put that great vid together. Completely agree with all of it.
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The road they are talking about on the Island goes to Campbell River. It's 4 lanes divided straight for many long parts and is never busy (almost seems like waste to build it) and no one goes 110KM. I see jacked up pickup trucks 130 140 plus.
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Hell even the the road from pacific hwy to golden ears bridge is ridiculous. And what gridlock said about the section after the pattullo bridge, I usually drive past and see 3-4 cop vehicles watching for anyone to go over
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I think not only the speed limit should be raise, but also in force those who drives on left lane at 30 40 kmh in a 60 zone kmh (ticket them!)
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The road they are talking about on the Island goes to Campbell River. It's 4 lanes divided straight for many long parts and is never busy (almost seems like waste to build it) and no one goes 110KM. I see jacked up pickup trucks 130 140 plus.
That is probably the only stretch of highway in BC where a trial run of no-limit speeds can be done.
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not gunna do shit, if companies like icbc are raking in the cash and the government is getting portions of it there is no way they will just let it go..
FUCK THE PO PO!

You know everyone here should do, just to really show them who's boss??

Drive the speed limit. Don't text while driving. Don't drink and drive. Signal all your turns. Don't put stupid shit on your car.

Then their revenue stream will dry up. That'll show them! Money-grubbing fuckers.
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Great Video with some awesome points. I have a hard time believing the government will act on the demands of the motoring public, they are just making too much money off the current setup.

Its worth emailing your local rep though!
I may be wrong, but I was driving the other day and I think there's a section on marine way as you go from new west to burnaby and it goes from 80kms to 50kms speed limits. Which means that when the speed limit is 80, most are doing 90km/h, and then most of them do not slow down enough and it's easy to get that 40km + excessive speeding.

that's just easy money for government.
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FUCK THE PO PO!

You know everyone here should do, just to really show them who's boss??

Drive the speed limit. Don't text while driving. Don't drink and drive. Signal all your turns. Don't put stupid shit on your car.

Then their revenue stream will dry up. That'll show them! Money-grubbing fuckers.
If people started driving the speed limit it would be chaos on the streets.
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funny how this is almost a conspiracy theory, as to why they don't raise limits... because there's money involved, fuelling some agencies.

yet other conspiracy theories are refuted immediately, even though there's about... a whole earths worth of money backing those up.

ya know, just something i noticed...

if you follow the money... and the money is the main incentive... logically, the same reasons for oppression and control should be applied right? ?RIGHT??? RIGHT?~!?!?!?!

I've been eating slices of CiC's brain. and it tastes quite rationally paranoid.


if they raise the limits that would be nice. but any ... ANY accident, will be plastered and promoted by the anti-speed people. and the media will blow it out of control.

logic is not the way to win people's hearts.
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funny how this is almost a conspiracy theory, as to why they don't raise limits... because there's money involved, fuelling some agencies.

yet other conspiracy theories are refuted immediately, even though there's about... a whole earths worth of money backing those up.

ya know, just something i noticed...

if you follow the money... and the money is the main incentive... logically, the same reasons for oppression and control should be applied right? ?RIGHT??? RIGHT?~!?!?!?!

I've been eating slices of CiC's brain. and it tastes quite rationally paranoid.


if they raise the limits that would be nice. but any ... ANY accident, will be plastered and promoted by the anti-speed people. and the media will blow it out of control.

logic is not the way to win people's hearts.

So what your saying is.. we need to make a giant smear campaign on how driving slow will ultimately get you killed..

I can see it now: "If you drive too slow, that semi-truck will plow into you, completely destroying your car and everything in it." Make the people afraid to drive too slow?
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funny how this is almost a conspiracy theory, as to why they don't raise limits... because there's money involved, fuelling some agencies.

yet other conspiracy theories are refuted immediately, even though there's about... a whole earths worth of money backing those up.

ya know, just something i noticed...

if you follow the money... and the money is the main incentive... logically, the same reasons for oppression and control should be applied right? ?RIGHT??? RIGHT?~!?!?!?!

I've been eating slices of CiC's brain. and it tastes quite rationally paranoid.


if they raise the limits that would be nice. but any ... ANY accident, will be plastered and promoted by the anti-speed people. and the media will blow it out of control.

logic is not the way to win people's hearts.
I don't think we need to go "conspiracy" when we can go with the truth. Hear me out.

First, we all...wait, we ALL get that we tend to run a little higher on the nanny state bullshit in BC. There is nothing we like more as a group of people of giving the stage over to the people that like to tell the rest of us how to live better.

I don't even think of it as the money grab, I think the entire culture of car safety here from socialist ICBC(love it) to the police to politicians view it as the only way these poor, misguided fools will learn. Look at that one police officer in the video..."90% of these people are speeding!"

Yes...and notice how they aren't flying off the road.

I don't think its the money, I think they have as a mission of getting everyone to granny it down a highway at 50kph.

They'll park at the end of Patullo not because they want the money, but because Patullo is a "dangerous bridge" and they want people to slow down. But let's use some common sense...its not the guy that's doing 60kph on the bridge that's the issue...its the douche that's doing 80, its the guy that's hogging two lanes, its the truck traffic that hogs the entire bridge or causes someone to try to pass when its unsafe and for realz, its the guy doing 58 that hits the brakes when he sees the police setup because he doesn't want the ticket.

And do we see the police set up at 9pm looking for the guy doing 80? Nope.

And the true irony is that if the speed limit is 50, then really you "should" be doing 40 so as to not go over. Your commute to work is now going to be 2 hours longer. Yay!

Add a straight up 10kph to every limit in the city, with a discretionary 10kph buffer after that.
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I don't even think of it as the money grab, I think the entire culture of car safety here from socialist ICBC(love it) to the police to politicians view it as the only way these poor, misguided fools will learn. Look at that one police officer in the video..."90% of these people are speeding!"
I hate that term "cash grab/money grab", because it's basically applied anywhere someone thinks they're getting screwed whether they are or not, and most of the time it's just not accurate.

This is a prime example, and it goes right along with those whining about things like excessive speed penalties. Regardless of whether or not the speed limits make sense (and let's get it out of the way right now: yes, I agree, they could stand to be raised in a lot of cases - happy now?), the fact remains, YOU KNOW WHAT THE LIMIT IS, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PENALTIES ARE FOR EXCEEDING IT, AND THUS YOU HAVE NO ROOM TO COMPLAIN IF YOU GET CAUGHT.

It's not a "cash grab" when avoiding the hit to the pocket book is as simple as letting up JUST A LITTLE on the gas pedal. Get a fucking grip, people. It's not a difficult choice: risk the fine, or suffer the horrible ignominy of having to arrive at your destination 30 seconds later. It's not like your entire world will fall apart by following the posted limit. IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
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No, but I think people are starting to get pissed on cars:

tolls, gasoline, the very attitude that the car is the source of all evil and possibly being punished for driving with the flow of traffic

In general:

Nanny state bullshit where some politician is deciding whats best for you.
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It's not a "cash grab" when avoiding the hit to the pocket book is as simple as letting up JUST A LITTLE on the gas pedal. Get a fucking grip, people. It's not a difficult choice: risk the fine, or suffer the horrible ignominy of having to arrive at your destination 30 seconds later. It's not like your entire world will fall apart by following the posted limit. IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
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