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Old 12-23-2013, 10:28 AM   #76
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sebbery....the Police are not going fishing, they are trying to detect impaired drivers....and there is no script to follow while doing this.

As stated in the MV Act, they are entitled to ask you to repeat details shown on your DL and you are required to answer them.
I can appreciate what you're trying to do, but in the absence of any signs of impairment is there really a need for a Spanish inquisition?

If this questioning is so important to finding impaired drivers, why do many officers simply let drivers go after answering the "anything to drink tonight"?
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I can appreciate what you're trying to do, but in the absence of any signs of impairment is there really a need for a Spanish inquisition?

If this questioning is so important to finding impaired drivers, why do many officers simply let drivers go after answering the "anything to drink tonight"?
It is discretion. Each officer will have their own reasons for how many questions, if any, they decide to ask a driver. Like Zulu said, here isn't a hand book. Police officers aren't robots either. There are some situations where there is "protocol", but many others where there isn't.

Ultimately, who cares how many questions they ask you? If you didn't do anything wrong, I don't know what the big deal is. Sure, you have "wasted" a few minutes of your time, all for the sake of keeping Impaired, unlicenced, prohibited drivers off the street.

Why don't you give the the Border Officers a hard time next time you try to exit or enter Canada.. I am sure that will go well. Since it's a privilege to enter another country, not a right. Just like it's a privilege to drive a motor vehicle.
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I can appreciate what you're trying to do, but in the absence of any signs of impairment is there really a need for a Spanish inquisition?

If this questioning is so important to finding impaired drivers, why do many officers simply let drivers go after answering the "anything to drink tonight"?
If he asks one question, and it satisfied that you are not impaired he will let you go, if he asks one question and isn't satisfied yet, you will be asked more. If you don't like it nobody's forcing you to drive...
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If he asks one question, and it satisfied that you are not impaired he will let you go, if he asks one question and isn't satisfied yet, you will be asked more.
I'd be interested to know what cues would be given off by a stone cold sober driver that would cause the officer to keep digging.
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I'd be interested to know what cues would be given off by a stone cold sober driver that would cause the officer to keep digging.
You do realize there are different reasons for road blocks, and Impaired driving isn't the only driving offence, right?
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You do realize there are different reasons for road blocks, and Impaired driving isn't the only driving offence, right?
The number of vehicles that can be checked at a roadblock is miniscule compared to driving around looking for infractions, defects and running ALPR to search for unlicenced/uninsured drivers.

Don't tell me that it's an effective and efficient use of an officer's time to set up a roadblock on a quiet evening to look for infractions other than drink-driving.

What they're doing is going on a fishing expedition under the guise of catching drunks.
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The number of vehicles that can be checked at a roadblock is miniscule compared to driving around looking for infractions, defects and running ALPR to search for unlicenced/uninsured drivers.

Don't tell me that it's an effective and efficient use of an officer's time to set up a roadblock on a quiet evening to look for infractions other than drink-driving.

What they're doing is going on a fishing expedition under the guise of catching drunks.
It's funny how you think you know police work and procedures better than the actual officers here.
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The number of vehicles that can be checked at a roadblock is miniscule compared to driving around looking for infractions, defects and running ALPR to search for unlicenced/uninsured drivers.

Don't tell me that it's an effective and efficient use of an officer's time to set up a roadblock on a quiet evening to look for infractions other than drink-driving.

What they're doing is going on a fishing expedition under the guise of catching drunks.
here's some "good to know" information for you. Not all cops cars have ALPRs. Actually, very few are equipped.

And on a quiet evening, it is effective to set up in an area where there is a higher concentration of vehicle traffic, rather than driving around, especially for traffic units that don't take calls. Seems like you need to know a bit more about how Policing works, before you start spewing inaccurate information.

Even if cops did go on "fishing expeditions". So what? Do you have a problem with having drunk drivers off the roads? I guess you don't care about having family members, friends, or even yourself involved in a fatal car collision days before Christams, because buddy got hammered and decided to drive after a Christmas work function.
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here's some "good to know" information for you. Not all cops cars have ALPRs. Actually, very few are equipped.
I realize that maybe only one or two cars in a department may have ALPR.


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Even if cops did go on "fishing expeditions". So what? Do you have a problem with having drunk drivers off the roads?
The old Vic Towes' "If you're not with us you're with the child pornographers" trick, eh?

No, of course I'm not against getting drunk drivers off the road, but I still don't see how you need to know where I'm coming from, where I'm going, if I still live at the address on my licence, etc... to determine my sobriety.
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I realize that maybe only one or two cars in a department may have ALPR.




The old Vic Towes' "If you're not with us you're with the child pornographers" trick, eh?

No, of course I'm not against getting drunk drivers off the road, but I still don't see how you need to know where I'm coming from, where I'm going, if I still live at the address on my licence, etc... to determine my sobriety.
You would, no should, be surprised how people with something to hide, can mess up even simple questions. Body language, looking away when questioned, hesitating to give a simple answer to a simple question...all those things have allowed me to catch impairds, prohibited drivers, stolen vehicles, illegal substances...etc. When you get lied to by almost everybody you deal with, you get to sense when things are not all what they seem to be. When you become you also get the develop these same skills when dealing with your kids.
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I have no problem with drink-driving roadblocks. What I take issue with is using them as an opportunity to fish for much less severe infractions and interrogations.

So in a little more detail:

Pull up to the officer and not slurring words and absent of any hint of alcohol odor on my breath say "good evening" and respond to the usual "anything to drink tonight" question with "no, nothing at all".

Sometimes they ask if I have my licence with me, to which I reply "yes, it's in my (wherever it is), would you like to see it?". Giving the officer plenty of opportunity to smell my breath for alcohol and listen to my words for any sign of slurring and impairment in the process.

If you can't conclude that I'm intoxicated at this point, no amount of fishing and questioning is likely to reveal anything further. Hence my opinion that further questioning is unnecessary. Knowing that I'm heading home to let the dog out to urinate isn't going to do much for you.
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While i don't agree with some of BC's speeding laws, and a few others, drinking and driving is the one law off the top of my head that i would lobby to have the punishments harshened for, Sebbery, you're just a clueless retard who thinks it's cool to say "fuck the cops hahaha"...

...That is until you need them, then you go crying to the very people you love to hate. Actually, am i the only one who has a sneaking suspicion Sebbery was caught/charged with DUI at a roadblock, most likely after a successful fishing expedition by an on the ball officer?
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Sebbery, you're just a clueless retard who thinks it's cool to say "fuck the cops hahaha"...
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...That is until you need them, then you go crying to the very people you love to hate. Actually, am i the only one who has a sneaking suspicion Sebbery was caught/charged with DUI at a roadblock, most likely after a successful fishing expedition by an on the ball officer?
Wrong again. Any officer browsing RS from his MDT is welcome to run my licence and you'll see I've had zero negative contacts with the police.
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So basically if road blocks are primarily done to deter and catch Impaired Drivers, you don't think the Prohibited drivers or Drivers with no DL, and N drivers with car full of people under 25 and no class 5, should be let on their jolly way without any punishment? I guess if I arrested someone for Murder, and find out he also had raped someone, ill let the "lesser" offence slide. okay. sure.

I am no longer going to answer any posts made by you Sebberry. I will leave it up to Zulu. Have fun Zulu.
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So basically if road blocks are primarily done to deter and catch Impaired Drivers, you don't think the Prohibited drivers or Drivers with no DL, and N drivers with car full of people under 25 and no class 5, should be let on their jolly way without any punishment?
I don't see an issue with asking for someone's licence. It's the interrogation that goes along with it that's questionable. "Do you still live at that address, where have you been tonight, what are you doing, where are you going, etc...."

The intention of a roadblock is to take those who are unfit to drive off the road.


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If that's what you inferred from my comment...
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Guess you'll have to set up a roadblock specifically to check for rapists then, and let everyone else go, including the drunks... since apparently roadblocks can only be for single-purpose fishing.
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So basically if road blocks are primarily done to deter and catch Impaired Drivers, you don't think the Prohibited drivers or Drivers with no DL, and N drivers with car full of people under 25 and no class 5, should be let on their jolly way without any punishment? I guess if I arrested someone for Murder, and find out he also had raped someone, ill let the "lesser" offence slide. okay. sure.

I am no longer going to answer any posts made by you Sebberry. I will leave it up to Zulu. Have fun Zulu.
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one day i was driving back to vancouver from white rock on hwy 99. There was a Delta cruiser in the right lane going speed limit (100) All the vehicles were blasting by at 120-130 and he didnt pull a single vehicle over? . Is it because he was in south surrey jurisdiction?
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From what i was told by a Vancouver cop, they have jurisdiction anywhere in BC if they need it, more than likely he didn't feel it warranted pulling anyone over.
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