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Old 02-05-2014, 12:11 PM   #1
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Creationism debate, Bill Nye VS Ken Ham


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its a ridiculously one sided debate, but i can honestly understand where creationism comes from and i have no problems believing or entertaining intelligent design. but throw in noahs ark, adam and eve, 4000 years old, marriage between only men and women and pretty much the rest of the bible and you lost me. what did i take from the debate on kens side? if i make my own religion, be VAGUE as possible when making the outline so it would be harder to disprove down the road.
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i havent watched the video yet, but is ken ham arguing the christian religious bit about how the world came to be?
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yup
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bible should be taught in school again
our current science books arent really the facts, theyre only "observational science" what we interpret
earth is 4000 years old
there were only 7000 "kinds" of animals, all on noahs ark
the earth was flooded for a whole year
and oh yeah my favourite, you cant tell how old something is because YOU were never there in the past to observe it age... classic. how do you know? you werent there
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religion- only believe 1 truth. and that's god's words. the evidence is not true because you were never there. also name drop like crazy just to show religion have a lot of supporter. if these smart people believe in creationism then it must be true. if all else fail quote a verse in bible. question the radioactive dating method, cause it is very skeptical.
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I don't even know who this Ken Ham character is? How did he get a debate with Bill Nye? As a Christian, I found that debate to be a terrible representation/explanation of what we believe. He does not speak for everyone, just FYI.

I consider myself to be a Evolutionary Creationist. IE; I believe God created the earth, but also allowed for things to "evolve" to what we know today. I also believe in an old earth, not all Christians believe the earth is 5000 years old.

At the end of the day we can argue on and on, but it's really just semantics that don't matter in the end. The basis of Christianity is believing that Jesus was the son of God who came to earth, died on the cross and rose from the grave. To quote the Bible; Romans 10:9 "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."
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I don't even know who this Ken Ham character is? How did he get a debate with Bill Nye? As a Christian, I found that debate to be a terrible representation/explanation of what we believe. He does not speak for everyone, just FYI.
Ken Ham is the founder of the Creation Museum located in Petersburg Kentucky.



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22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution
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I just spent 5 mins adding the images.

I noticed that there seems to a strong correlation of people that believe in creationism and misunderstanding the word "their", "theory", and "thermodynamics".
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She has crazy eyes, kind of looks like she could be that clingy girlfriends mom

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I actually feel sorry for the guy... He believes SO STRONGLY and is so single-minded. He is devoting his life to spreading his religion, and why? Because he happened to be born on a piece of the earth where the people in power have long been indoctrinated with the same beliefs. No reason other than that.

People who believe they have the answer are so clueless. He doesn't have the answer, nor does the muslim, the jew, the buddhist, mormon, scientologist, or anyone else. They have their own beliefs, and that is GREAT for them. But they shouldn't spend effort trying to get people to follow THEIR beliefs.

Like Bill Nye said... just look for the EVIDENCE. We're going to constantly be seeking it out, and that pushes us forward. We will probably never have the answer, if there is one, and that is FINE.

As for the debate itself, at first I was against it. I thought nothing good could come from reasoning with a religious person. After all if they were reasonable, they wouldn't be religious. However I think this reached a pretty big religious audience, and if anything, Nye making this guy look bad makes religion itself look bad. Sure most people will be like the ones in the buzzfeed post, but I'm sure there are young christians who still aren't 100% indoctrinated who can still think logically and go "wait a minute, everything they are teaching me is completely absurd and couldn't possibly be true". So I think it was worth doing this time.
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Watched it live yesterday.

I've always been agnostic, but what I found interesting was when each side was asked unanswerable questions, it was like..

Nye: I don't know the answer. But I WANT to know. I WANT to find out! If you can prove my views wrong, do it! I challenge you to, and welcome it!

Ham: God did it. End of discussion.

There may never be a clear answer, but it was pretty evident that Bill's points were very sensible and concise, while Ham seemed to be on the defensive the whole time with vague and dismissive comments.
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The rulers of the empire seek to turn people into degenerates to better control and muniplulate them. The last thing they want is for citizens of countries to uphold religious values that go counter for their goals of world domination and the enslavement of humanity.

The brain washing of Darwin (which looked at human life as a species and that its okay for the king of the jungle to murder other humans with no remorse) and Marx (in which power is concentrated in one persons hands and to distribute food) was the perfect recipe to bring about the greatest number of murders on this planet.
[One can further study this in the documentary called, The Bloody History of Communism.]

The attack on religion is obvious with Islam, and the false Jews that are paraded in our corrupt governmental power structure.
With Christianity that is practiced in the Americans and Europe... its these little debates, to larger misuse of god for wars of profit, to the grosses of human acts like raping and molesting your children if you decide to go to church!

U.N. report sheds light on the global sex scandal ruining the church by allowing clergy to molest and rape tens of thousands of children with impunity
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Just to clarify "the church" is in regards to the catholic church not the Christian Church. We could start another long debate, but Catholics are not Christians. They are Catholics. It IS different and we do not believe the same things.

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lmao at some of those people with dumb questions

"because science is by definition theory - not testable, observable, nor repeatable ..."

They might as well hold up a sign saying "I'm ignorant"

Science promotes constant questioning to find greater truth about the nature around us. Religion makes it a sin to even question.
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That stretch of back and forth where Ken kept saying "wellllll, there is a book.........."- I think I facepalmed a dozen times.
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^What's your take? Just curious (not going to debate- but I was just wondering).
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