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Shafto 03-04-2014 08:25 AM

Mclaren 12C vs 650S
 
Hello everyone,

I am just curious to see what your opinions are on the styling of the 650S. Apparently they are unsure weather it will be a model in between the 12C and the P1 or if it will replace the 12C all together.

Although I do like the P1 styling, I think it looks extreme on the 650S. I also think that the 12C's styling has a very clean elegant look that will last the test of time, similar to the F1. As of now, I prefer the 12C styling to the 650S, if they keep the 12C in production, no worries.

Your thoughts?

http://wpmedia.driving.ca/2014/03/mc...0&h=520&crop=1


http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...7-3_600x0w.jpg

More pics of 650S from Autoblog:

McLaren 650S: Geneva 2014 Photo Gallery - Autoblog Canada

dared3vil0 03-04-2014 08:37 AM

I like the MP4-12C's aesthetics better.

Timpo 03-04-2014 10:52 AM

So the MP4-12 got a front end conversion of P1.

This is what we call is a identity crisis, Ferrari didn't put Enzo front end on 360 Modena, or Laferrari front on 458.

WTF were they thinking.

BBMme 03-04-2014 10:57 AM

Cant decide.
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thumper 03-04-2014 10:58 AM

they are okay, but it will still always be the mclaren F1 for me :thumbsup:...

http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...pic-31634.jpeg

european 03-04-2014 11:47 AM

Pretty sweet

kwy 03-04-2014 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8428232)
So the MP4-12 got a front end conversion of P1.

This is what we call is a identity crisis, Ferrari didn't put Enzo front end on 360 Modena, or Laferrari front on 458.

WTF were they thinking.

If you think this is bad, look up a company called "Audi."

boostfever 03-04-2014 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwy (Post 8428276)
If you think this is bad, look up a company called "Audi."

this case is quite a bit different though. P1 is around a million dollars, whereas 650S or MP4 could be had for the quarter of that. McLaren ruined the exclusivity of the P1 by using its design on a lesser model.
I am sure P1 owners are not super happy with this move by McLaren.

Timpo 03-04-2014 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostfever (Post 8428281)
this case is quite a bit different though. P1 is around a million dollars, whereas 650S or MP4 could be had for the quarter of that. McLaren ruined the exclusivity of the P1 by using its design on a lesser model.
I am sure P1 owners are not super happy with this move by McLaren.

Maybe McLaren wants to make their cars look all the same.
Just like BMW and Mazda are doing nowadays.

and yes it does in fact ruins the P1 exclusivity.

J____ 03-09-2014 12:48 PM

McLaren should just do away with the 12c and only produce p1
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RRxtar 03-09-2014 03:12 PM

I like it. I dont see anything wrong with putting a P1 looking face on a 12C level car. It builds brand similarities and the rest of the car is substantially different. No different than the Aventador and Huracan.

And there will be no confusion between a P1 and 650S.

http://www.sssupersports.com/images/...en-650s/01.jpg
http://static.autoexpress.co.uk/site...?itok=hTQwOERg

http://images.thecarconnection.com/l...00458567_l.jpg
http://www.mrwallpaper.com/wallpaper...-1280x1024.jpg

boostfever 03-09-2014 05:43 PM

^not from the back or side obviously. but I think even car experts will have problem identifying the car approaching from front.

http://i.imgur.com/JZpdXh1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0xfgrjB.jpg

Shafto 03-09-2014 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostfever (Post 8432264)
^not from the back or side obviously. but I think even car experts will have problem identifying the car approaching from front.

Are you kidding me? If an expert confuses a p1, they are no expert. I don't have a problem with the 650, just don't drop the 12c. It has a mature look to it.
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Timpo 03-09-2014 06:59 PM

yeah I think this is horrible idea.

instead of making MP4-12C look like a poor man's P1, they should have kept it as a different car.

Just like GT-R and Silvia are different, Silvia isn't exactly a poor man's GT-R, Same with Supra and Celica, 3000GT and Evo, RX-7 and Miata, etc.

Timpo 03-09-2014 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shafto (Post 8432313)
Are you kidding me? If an expert confuses a p1, they are no expert. I don't have a problem with the 650, just don't drop the 12c. It has a mature look to it.
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So what you're saying is it would still take experts' eyes to identify the two.

boostfever 03-09-2014 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shafto (Post 8432313)
Are you kidding me? If an expert confuses a p1, they are no expert. I don't have a problem with the 650, just don't drop the 12c. It has a mature look to it.
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No, I'm not kidding you. Imagine one approaching at higher speed, it would be definitely harder to make out the details between P1 and 650, as opposed to P1 and mp4.

Timpo 03-09-2014 07:25 PM

wait, why are they calling it 650S? Isn't it MP4-12C?

Just a facelift would make this car deserve a new name?

maksimizer 03-09-2014 09:15 PM

garbage vs garbage

RRxtar 03-09-2014 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostfever (Post 8432324)
No, I'm not kidding you. Imagine one approaching at higher speed, it would be definitely harder to make out the details between P1 and 650, as opposed to P1 and mp4.

So wait. You're saying people looking to buy one of the top performing hyper cars on the market will be discouraged and change their mind because it could potentially be confused with its little brother when it is approaching from head on at a high rate of speed...

Apparently you and I buy cars based on different reasons
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underscore 03-10-2014 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwy (Post 8428276)
If you think this is bad, look up a company called "Audi."

or BMW, or Ford (stupid Fusion). Hell, even most of the Lambo's the last few years have looked pretty damn similar, and most people seem to love them.

boostfever 03-10-2014 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRxtar (Post 8432419)
So wait. You're saying people looking to buy one of the top performing hyper cars on the market will be discouraged and change their mind because it could potentially be confused with its little brother when it is approaching from head on at a high rate of speed...

Apparently you and I buy cars based on different reasons
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Yeah, I am exactly saying that. Losing the exclusivity part.
P1 is a million bucks, 650 is not.

No, I'm not buying one. I heard this from a guy putting down a P1 order on another forum (not local). He said many people are turned off.

Timpo 03-10-2014 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by maksimizer (Post 8432383)
garbage vs garbage

yes and no

compare to GTR they are, but I think McLaren tried their best too.

Timpo 03-10-2014 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boostfever (Post 8432513)
Yeah, I am exactly saying that. Losing the exclusivity part.
P1 is a million bucks, 650 is not.

No, I'm not buying one. I heard this from a guy putting down a P1 order on another forum (not local). He said many people are turned off.

yea I would be turned off too if I were to buy a P1.

Timpo 03-10-2014 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRxtar (Post 8432419)
So wait. You're saying people looking to buy one of the top performing hyper cars on the market will be discouraged and change their mind because it could potentially be confused with its little brother when it is approaching from head on at a high rate of speed...

Apparently you and I buy cars based on different reasons
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oh fuck what's so hard to understand... If Viper looked similar to Dart, if NSX looked like a Civic, I think people would be turned off too.

Timpo 03-10-2014 01:02 AM

oh shift LFA and FRS do look alike...shit


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