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Old 03-21-2014, 01:00 PM   #176
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^^ The info is obtained from Wikipedia. Hardly an authoritative source of medical information, but generally their info is not that far off.

If you do not know that measles is highly contagious, or that flu is especially dangerous for the elderly (leading to deaths every flu season), or that hepatitis causes irreparable liver damage, that HPV is capable of causing cancer, or that polio can cause irreparable damage to motor neurons, you are simply beyond ignorant.

As to mumps, I have no interest in finding out how painful that testicular swelling could get. Perhaps you would like to volunteer to find out first hand?
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Exactly, Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source of medical information... lets see you think for yourself and research measles statistics please... preferably charts because in this year of 2014 there should plenty of information available.
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Exactly, Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source of medical information... lets see you think for yourself and research measles statistics please... preferably charts because in this year of 2014 there should plenty of information available.
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WHO | Measles

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-In 2012, there were 122 000 measles deaths globally about 330 deaths every day or 14 deaths every hour.

-Measles vaccination resulted in a 78% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2012 worldwide.
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I have no time to waste on you. Read this and go fxxk yourself:

WHO | Measles
Is this a REVscene first for a post with the word please in it to get told "go fxxk yourself" afterwords?

Does anyone else like to give this a try... I'd like to see a chart showing measles reduction thanks to vaccination.
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Not credible enough for you... this one supposedly came from the CDC.
Babies Of Vaccinated Mothers Susceptible To Measles
Except if vaccinations are done right, thanks to herd immunity those babies are less likely to be exposed to measles. Not to mention at least some of those mothers would have been dead long before they had children if nobody was vaccinated.

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The immune system is more complex then scientist can imagine. People who are vaccinated with measles are actually more susceptible to the disease.... so yes we would truly see Darwinism at work... unfortunately in this situation you would be at the declining end multicartual.
Estimated susceptibility to asymptomatic seconda... [J Med Virol. 1998] - PubMed - NCBI
Tell me then, if the vaccine makes you more susceptible to the disease, why do regions with high immunization rates show decreases in cases of the disease? Canada should be pushing 100% infection and 50% death rates if that were true.

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Exactly, Wikipedia is hardly an authoritative source of medical information... lets see you think for yourself and research measles statistics please... preferably charts because in this year of 2014 there should plenty of information available.
Says the guy who manipulates words and pulls his info from some crazy hacks.

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Playing devils advocate here.
Many if not most of the illnesses or diseases people vaccinate themselves for are not deadly just 7 to 10 days of healing is needed, a minor hiccup in the road of life.
And the black plague was just a cold right? Like I said before, measles alone would be 90% infection rate and 30% death rate with no immunization. Hardly a "minor hiccup".
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I'd like you to answer my question first.
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Is this a REVscene first for a post with the word please in it to get told "go fxxk yourself" afterwords?

Does anyone else like to give this a try... I'd like to see a chart showing measles reduction thanks to vaccination.
Here, I made you one.

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Post 159 was my original question to you... but anyway this chart doesnt show how vaccinations reduced measles deaths.
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Those are some big claims.
Why are the underdeveloped countries dying off in such large numbers... does it have to do with their DNA?
Do I really need to explain to you that part of being a developed country means having a sufficient health care system? Therefore undeveloped areas lack sufficient health care resulting in low vaccination rates.
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Post 159 was my original question to you... but anyway this chart doesnt show how vaccinations reduced measles deaths.
Oh I'm sorry, here you go. The upper chart is % of children vaccinated by 1 vs year, the lower chart is the deaths vs year.

SPOILER ALERT! As vaccinations go up, deaths go down.

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but measles didnt spring up just in the year 2000, this is a misleading chart... you have been mislead. Where did you find this Im curious.

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Do I really need to explain to you that part of being a developed country means having a sufficient health care system? Therefore undeveloped areas lack sufficient health care resulting in low vaccination rates.
That is not the case, but lets skip that, you say its because of low vaccinations as member Graeme did... so you should be able to find a measles death rate over time chart including the introduction of vaccines and how it reduced it.
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so you should be able to find a measles death rate over time chart including the introduction of vaccines and how it reduced it.
That's exactly what I just fucking posted.
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but measles didnt spring up just in the year 2000, this is a misleading chart... you have been mislead. Where did you find this Im curious.
You're right, it didn't start in 2000, but it's not misleading anything. There's two columns in each, as vaccination rates go up, deaths go down.

If you look at the first chart, in 1980 with very little vaccination going on, 2,600,000 died each year from measles alone.

By 2000, vaccination has gotten to 72% in children before age 1, and deaths are down to 562,400/yr.

By 2012, vaccination has gotten to 84% in children before age 1, and deaths are down to 122,000/yr.

Would a line graph work better for you? Pie chart? Bar? Scatter?
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but measles didnt spring up just in the year 2000, this is a misleading chart... you have been mislead. Where did you find this Im curious.


That is not the case, but lets skip that, you say its because of low vaccinations as member Graeme did... so you should be able to find a measles death rate over time chart including the introduction of vaccines and how it reduced it.
Lol CiC, he made it by himself. Chart doesn't even have a title or anything.
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If we're doing a study of rape in Canada, do we only look at the statistics starting from 1980 for the overall picture?
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How many ways are you going to try to deny that increasing immunization has decreased deaths?

If 1980 was the starting point for some rape prevention system, then yes start at 1980 when trying to show the effectiveness of that system. Since the use of that system has risen since 1980, then that years statistics are the most accurate representation of how things would be today without that system in place.
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I think you like to debate for the sake of debating... or this information isnt readily available for you to pull up for some reason.
Maybe someone else can find it.
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Is the WHO not good enough for you? You've got information from a well respected organization in both text and graphical format, what more do you want?
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Or you can go do it yourself when you tell people to. People are pulling up relevant info, but because it doesn't support your view, you ignore it and ask for more. WHEN THE DATA YOU WANT IS RIGHT THERE. Whenever you want an answer, if it's not self-serving you completely ignore it.

Dodging Soundy's question/rebutting his statement again, it's comical at this point.

It's been stated so many times in this thread. Immunization has decreased deaths. If measles wasn't curable, then the death rates have been posted. Go read that yourself, it's all there, from government sources. Oh wait, because it's "mainstream" you instantly reject it even though its still data you're asking for. For you, data from conspiracy sites using blogspot as their domain is credible...yeah, right.
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Im a loony conspiracy theorists, so its better you guys pull out this information.

Underscore find me charts like the following but on measles.
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Look at these Polio ones... specially the years.




Source http://www.vaclib.org/sites/harpub/pol_all.htm
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edit - another one showing vaccine caused Polio
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kind of a related topic.... to what lengths will people go to keep people alive? How much will we develop medicine? When will we reach a point where birth rates greatly exceed death rates? Will we start running out of room? Food? Fresh water?



since the 1950's or just after WWII, world population has more than doubled. As there have been no large conflicts since then, health care has greatly improved, people are living longer, having more kids, there are a lot more people living than dying. How long can we sustain this type of growth for?
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I'm not saying in all cases vaccines should not be used, they have helped a lot.

However i disagree with the OPs statements that every one should be vaccinated to keep disease in check.

They are not natural and should not be injected into the human body unless need is apparent (if there is a localized out brake).

Vaccines have been contaminated in the past, possibly intentionally to sell other products. You have to remember it is in the best interests of drug companies that they make you believe you need a vaccination.

Just google "Baxter International contaminated vaccine". Which is one well documented case where a vaccine, weather by mistake or not, was detrimental to a populations health.
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