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Pitt Meadows & Mission Raceway. Organize Race Pre-meets, post Racing related event Pics and discussion. In collaboration with The Speed Syndicate, Official race events presenter. [Solicitation of Professional Racing Events Allowed]
Undeniably, the programme is presented primarily as autox training. But the majority of the principles readily carry over to any form of motorsports you do. With a week night classroom session, 2+ hrs of worth of seat time on training day, and personalized instruction, it is seriously the best motorsports activity that I have engaged in.
Well that was a fun trip! 5 days, 4,000km, a track day, beautiful roads, amazing weather, great people. ORP was awesome as expected. 6x 25-30 minute sessions, I had quite a fun time! My car performed FLAWLESSLY! i beat on it really, really hard each and every session. The only time it had an inkling of issue was at the very end of a 30 minute session where I spent the entire session chasing down and passing a Boss 302 Laguna Seca on Pirelli slicks... Did I mention I passes a Boss 302 Laguna Seca running slicks?
I actually had some cool passes for the day. This is in the intermidiayte group where everyone (should be) a competent driver...
-Boss 302 Laguna Seca- slicks/stock otherwise. Hell of a battle to pass him!
-THREE different 2015 Z28 Camaro's, ALL with carbon ceramic brakes and R-comps, plus LS7, and magnetic ride... They weren't very good drivers, as I caught them in the braking zones mostly... And they had carbon ceramics.
-Ex Nascar camping world truck series truck, obviously on slicks. Holy fucking fuck that thing was loud. Genuinely hurt my ears being near it under full throttle...
-not much interior left CTS-V on R-comps and some sort of modified suspension. The car itself was fast, but why I was super happy to pass him is this was being driven by one of the senior instructers who's been road racing longer than i've been alive... Literally.
-A bunch of Porsches, from a Boxster to a 2014 911 C4S, to everything in between.
Now, I have a few things I want to make a point of;
I need a better car. The BFG Comp's are a good tire, my suspension is dialed in, I had good brakes, but as is evident, my driving skill has increased far past what my car is capable of. I might be jumping ship to something like a Carrera 2S, or a Corvette soon. Don't get me wrong, this is an extremely capable car, but I want more.
I don't know what the time frame will be. I really don't know what to do at this point.
Also, I'm having trouble uploading the videos to youtube, they're in MP4 format straight off the GoPro, but youtube refuses to upload it. I'd really rather not convert them to .mkv... Any ideas?
Well that was a fun trip! 5 days, 4,000km, a track day, beautiful roads, amazing weather, great people. ORP was awesome as expected. 6x 25-30 minute sessions, I had quite a fun time! My car performed FLAWLESSLY! i beat on it really, really hard each and every session.
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I need a better car. The BFG Comp's are a good tire, my suspension is dialed in, I had good brakes, but as is evident, my driving skill has increased far past what my car is capable of. I might be jumping ship to something like a Carrera 2S, or a Corvette soon. Don't get me wrong, this is an extremely capable car, but I want more.
Good to see that you are having fun, and that you are improving!
Before jumping into something that offers a higher level of performance, may I make the following few suggestions instead?
1) Max out your car a bit more first. I am not familiar with what modifications you have, other than the fact that I remember you having some upgraded brakes. At a minimum, upgrade your tires, and possibly go wider with your wheels as well -- as wide as the fenders will allow. Your BFG Comp2 is a good tire, but it is still easily 1 tier away from the best 200TW street tires. There is quite a noticeable difference between the 200TW extreme performance tires and what you are using on the Stang right now, and we haven't even gotten into the competition grade RA1, R888, etc. yet. With bigger, grippier tires, you give yourself the potential to carry more speed through the turns, and that in turn will require improved driver skills coming from you to manage that all that extra speed not just around the turns, but also throughout the course.
Then, as you get more grip out of your tires, your suspension will start becoming inadequate to handle all that extra grip and speed. And then you'll start complaining and put in better shocks and/or stiffer springs. Then you'll start complaining there is not enough power to use all that grip and suspension. Then you'll complain you don't have enough brakes to haul the car down. And the fun cycle repeats.
2) The intermediate run group is always a mixed bag. You have novices that have just done this lapping stuff often enough to graduate from the novice group; you have veteran drivers that have been enjoying this hobby for a long time; and then you have some very fast drivers that, for whatever reason, choose to take a step back from the really fast advanced group. If you find that you're doing well in the intermediate group, the natural progression is to move into the advanced group and "go play with the big boys", so to speak. Every time I get forced into driving with these advanced group drivers, I get a vivid reminder of "how inadequate my car is prepped for lapping -- OK, that's my euphemism for "how lousy a driver I am", but you get the point.
As you already know, your Mustang is a very capable car. In its current setup, you might have exceeded some of its performance capabilities, but there is still a lot of untapped potential waiting to be used. It will be fun exploring those unused potential, and doing so will likely be cheaper than getting yourself into a new car.
Good to see that you are having fun, and that you are improving!
Before jumping into something that offers a higher level of performance, may I make the following few suggestions instead?
1) Max out your car a bit more first. I am not familiar with what modifications you have, other than the fact that I remember you having some upgraded brakes. At a minimum, upgrade your tires, and possibly go wider with your wheels as well -- as wide as the fenders will allow. Your BFG Comp2 is a good tire, but it is still easily 1 tier away from the best 200TW street tires. There is quite a noticeable difference between the 200TW extreme performance tires and what you are using on the Stang right now, and we haven't even gotten into the competition grade RA1, R888, etc. yet. With bigger, grippier tires, you give yourself the potential to carry more speed through the turns, and that in turn will require improved driver skills coming from you to manage that all that extra speed not just around the turns, but also throughout the course.
Then, as you get more grip out of your tires, your suspension will start becoming inadequate to handle all that extra grip and speed. And then you'll start complaining and put in better shocks and/or stiffer springs. Then you'll start complaining there is not enough power to use all that grip and suspension. Then you'll complain you don't have enough brakes to haul the car down. And the fun cycle repeats.
2) The intermediate run group is always a mixed bag. You have novices that have just done this lapping stuff often enough to graduate from the novice group; you have veteran drivers that have been enjoying this hobby for a long time; and then you have some very fast drivers that, for whatever reason, choose to take a step back from the really fast advanced group. If you find that you're doing well in the intermediate group, the natural progression is to move into the advanced group and "go play with the big boys", so to speak. Every time I get forced into driving with these advanced group drivers, I get a vivid reminder of "how inadequate my car is prepped for lapping -- OK, that's my euphemism for "how lousy a driver I am", but you get the point.
As you already know, your Mustang is a very capable car. In its current setup, you might have exceeded some of its performance capabilities, but there is still a lot of untapped potential waiting to be used. It will be fun exploring those unused potential, and doing so will likely be cheaper than getting yourself into a new car.
So at the moment i've gone to Koni yellows with much stiffer springs, wider wheels, and 275/40/18 BFg comp 2's. I've upgraded the brakes to survive the abuse as discussed, as well as gone to a gearing in the rear end more suited to track time. The next set of mods if I keep the car will be a set of 18x11 wheels and 305/35/18 R compounds, as well as a BBK on the front, plus a race seat and harness to keep me in.
I'm really happy with how the car handles, the problem is brakes, ultimate grip (tires) and most importantly power. The biggest issue I have is I need to drive the car like you would a Miata believe it or not, as in a momentum car. I NEVER pull on anything in the straights. I catch up every time in the braking, and cornering. Ultimately, my car either needs to lose like 600lbs, or gain 100whp. Neither of which are realistic, short of throwing a Procharger on, which i've considered but isn't very suitable on a road course due to the shear amount of extra heat it provides. The 420rwhp it provides would be awesome though...
The next option is a full I/H/E, and ported manifolds. It's pretty bog standard to see 300-310whp on a cyclone motor with those mods. Nice, but still. 300whp and 3600lbs isn't a good combo lol, though much better than the 260whp it makes now. Add in the fact that the long tubed, off road X, intake, and ported manifolds are like a $2,000 USD proposition... Yeah. I don't think so.
I'm thinking perhaps it's time to start with a car that has enough power to begin with. Hence the Carrera, Corvette idea.
Now once we get to the braking and the corners, for some reason I can catch much faster cars, for some reason. I'm not certain why.
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Last edited by dared3vil0; 08-19-2015 at 03:32 PM.
try the A group next time around! seems like intermediate is too slow
Yikes I don't know. I was only passed once the entire day, and I was on a cool down lap so I guess I "could"
What "scares" me is the A group is seemingly nothing but 500whp Corvette's running hoosiers with the odd GT3 mixed in. I'd really be concerned going toe to toe with them in a V6 Mustang lol.
What "scares" me is the A group is seemingly nothing but 500whp Corvette's running hoosiers with the odd GT3 mixed in. I'd really be concerned going toe to toe with them in a V6 Mustang lol.
If you are concerned about the power difference, I'd go about addressing that in 2 ways simultaneously:
1) Attend a reputable racing school and have their instructors critique you. Even though you are not a fan of Mission, I'd still recommend you to consider the SCCBC race licence program. Better yet, I have had some experience with ProFormance, and I can't say enough good things about Don and his crew. As far as driver skill is concerned, they will fix you right up. And don't just do it once or twice. Do it on a repeating basis. I believe ProFormance has some sort of graduate licence thing that requires you to maintain a driver log book.
I have no experience with the Ridge Racing School, so I can't comment on them.
2) I trust that you must be a regular at some sort of Mustang forum, right? Given the popularity of the car, there has to be a lot of very knowledgeable prepping and racing it, even in V6 Duratec form. They'd be able to help you with squeezing more performance out of the car than any of us. All I can recommend is to upgrade your tires.
Hopefully, with these 2 measures, you'd become a better driver, and be able to better assess how appropriate it is for you to move into the advanced group. Personally, I'm fine with it since I have a strong left arm, and I'm ready to stick it out of the window any time I see someone catching up to me.
If you are concerned about the power difference, I'd go about addressing that in 2 ways simultaneously:
1) Attend a reputable racing school and have their instructors critique you. Even though you are not a fan of Mission, I'd still recommend you to consider the SCCBC race licence program. Better yet, I have had some experience with ProFormance, and I can't say enough good things about Don and his crew. As far as driver skill is concerned, they will fix you right up. And don't just do it once or twice. Do it on a repeating basis. I believe ProFormance has some sort of graduate licence thing that requires you to maintain a driver log book.
I have no experience with the Ridge Racing School, so I can't comment on them.
2) I trust that you must be a regular at some sort of Mustang forum, right? Given the popularity of the car, there has to be a lot of very knowledgeable prepping and racing it, even in V6 Duratec form. They'd be able to help you with squeezing more performance out of the car than any of us. All I can recommend is to upgrade your tires.
Hopefully, with these 2 measures, you'd become a better driver, and be able to better assess how appropriate it is for you to move into the advanced group. Personally, I'm fine with it since I have a strong left arm, and I'm ready to stick it out of the window any time I see someone catching up to me.
The company I like the best is Hooked on Driving. They're a for profit company yes, but they provide licensed instructors. They ride with you as much as you want, and sign you off for the "intermediate/advanced" group as they see fit. I've been signed off for the advanced group, but I still think i'll spend more time in the intermediate group first.
Regarding the power, basically it's I/H/E, and ported manifolds, or procharge it. As discussed, even with ~300whp, i'd still be woefully underpowered.
dared3vil0, i use window live movie maker to load up the footage from gopro. than i trim the video where i wana start and finish. after that, go to the tab, and click save movie ----> recommend for this project. Find the saved file and you can load it up on to youtube !!
dared3vil0, i use window live movie maker to load up the footage from gopro. than i trim the video where i wana start and finish. after that, go to the tab, and click save movie ----> recommend for this project. Find the saved file and you can load it up on to youtube !!
I use Apple stuff, no windows movie maker for me hehe.
Most of the laps were about a 2:10 as I left it in third gear for the entire track except the front straight to try to keep the heat down in the trans. When I did a couple hot laps downshifting to 2nd, I managed a 2:08.
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Last edited by dared3vil0; 08-19-2015 at 07:43 PM.
nice driving. your car dosent even seem that slow in the video. i guess you carry enough speed out of the corner quite well
Thanks haha.
That's what I meant about being forced to drive it like a momentum car though, it's super friggin hard on tires, but I have no power to pull out of corners.
EDIT: It'll be 720p in a couple minutes. Still processing lol
Kchan, come join us at PR if you can. It'll be fun.
Unfortunately, my wallet has been seeing some serious hurt all year long thus far. Time is also not on my side, as my week nights and weekends are getting eat up by responsibilities that I didn't have before, so I won't be able to join you for this one.
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Still need to work on my lines and consistency though 
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