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Old 06-21-2014, 03:32 PM   #26
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Awesome job on the derisive comment there.
glad to see you paint with a wide brush.
tell me I am wrong.
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so what you guys are really curious about it whether you can travel 60+ or have to keep at a low 40+... because we all know most of you don't go 30 when you are supposed to anyways.
Fortunately I drive a 5sp and it's really easy to keep it at precisely 30kph. I know this because I stare at the speedometer constantly in the school zone.

Seriously, school zones are one of the few places and times where I don't let the needle exceed the speed limit. You can throw around whatever e-judgement you want of me, but that's the truth.


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[22] Before I conclude this judgment, I comment on the equivocal or illogical drafting of section 147(1). It seems to me that its wording could lead to its inapplication in situations to which it is likely the Legislature intended it to apply. One might have thought that having set a 30 km/h zone with a beginning and an end, the section would have clearly set a maximum speed of 30 km/h while driving in any part of the zone. But it does not so state. A vehicle is only required to drive at a speed of 30 km/h in the zone while approaching or passing the school building and school grounds. A school zone in some places may be long enough that it may not be clear when a vehicle is approaching a school building or school grounds (assuming for the moment the disjunctive) or if it has yet to arrive at the approaching stage. Perhaps even more problematic, if a vehicle has approached and passed but has not yet left the zone, is it still required not to exceed 30 km/h.
So it seems that once you've passed the school building, but not the back of the school zone sign, you are legally permitted to speed up. Clearly this might be a silly thing to do as there are possibly children still crossing the road, and your faster vehicle speed might not prompt drivers coming the other way to slow down.
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tell me I am wrong.
you are wrong.

i don't drive/ride through school zones at 40+

and i came in here to find out if the speed zone still applies even with the strike.

but please, don't let me stop you from making generalizations.
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not saying it doesn't, but i'm pretty sure the point of this forum isn't to be condescending...
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Why is this even a question?

Regardless of what official sources say, it's a few hundred feet, you have time to spare.
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Sometimes reading posts here is like watching a cat chase a red laser dot.
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Sometimes reading posts here is like watching a cat chase a red laser dot.
So that's how you calibrate and test the speed gun
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not saying it doesn't, but i'm pretty sure the point of this forum isn't to be condescending...
You call it condescending... I call it playing to the odds.
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So that's how you calibrate and test the speed gun
To be 100% accurate here.....I haven't used a Speed Gun since about 1990...and the Radar is only calibrated by the manufacturer if it malfunctions...but it is tested before & after use....but I gotta say, that was a great comeback.
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you are wrong.

i don't drive/ride through school zones at 40+

and i came in here to find out if the speed zone still applies even with the strike.

but please, don't let me stop you from making generalizations.
So when the general public does something 9 times out of 10 (exceed the maximum limit in school zones), I am generalizing because the 1 time is the rule and the 9 times is the exception, BUT, when a couple of Police officers out of thousands in Canada does something questionable, all Police officers are deemed to lack integrity, professionalism etc... Gotcha!
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Not a kid or striking teacher around. Even the bus driver didn't bother to slow down for the school zone...

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So when the general public does something 9 times out of 10 (exceed the maximum limit in school zones), I am generalizing because the 1 time is the rule and the 9 times is the exception, BUT, when a couple of Police officers out of thousands in Canada does something questionable, all Police officers are deemed to lack integrity, professionalism etc... Gotcha!
You are still wrong. Just answer the question and stop being a smart-ass. Oh, you don't have anything to contribute, thanks. Now leave.
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So when the general public does something 9 times out of 10 (exceed the maximum limit in school zones), I am generalizing because the 1 time is the rule and the 9 times is the exception, BUT, when a couple of Police officers out of thousands in Canada does something questionable, all Police officers are deemed to lack integrity, professionalism etc... Gotcha!
since when did the question have anything to do about officer integrity?
it was a simple question that could have been answered just as simply.
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Spidey is just working to further the "us vs. them" mentality that exists between police and drivers.
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Somebody say something about a pot calling a kettle black...or was that just something I imagined?
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Unless it says Summer School, yes.
I find most high schools have a speed limit of 50kph and its the elementary schools have the 30kph speed limit. So since that's the case there is just the regular speed limit in effect during summer school.
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I find most high schools have a speed limit of 50kph and its the elementary schools have the 30kph speed limit. So since that's the case there is just the regular speed limit in effect during summer school.
There's a few high schools in Burnaby that have the 30km/h restriction (North, South and I think Alpha?) which I've never understood. You're not a little kid anymore, if you can't figure out how to look both ways before crossing, enjoy your Darwin award -_-
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There's a few high schools in Burnaby that have the 30km/h restriction (North, South and I think Alpha?) which I've never understood. You're not a little kid anymore, if you can't figure out how to look both ways before crossing, enjoy your Darwin award -_-
Some high schools also have "Maximum 30km/h when children on highway"
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I haven't come across that one yet, interesting
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You're not a little kid anymore, if you can't figure out how to look both ways before crossing, enjoy your Darwin award -_-
Another classic case of... "How old is fifteen really?".

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I haven't come across that one yet, interesting
Garibaldi in Maple Ridge comes to mind... way the hell and gone at Dewdney Trunk and something like 256th St.
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I guess this means now we can officially close this thread. School/strike is out till September at least. Go your normal speed (whatever that is ) until then.
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Zulu, I've got that letter too.

The Motor Vehicle Act only specifies that school zones are in effect during REGULAR SCHOOL DAYS. The MVA does NOT define a regular school day. ICBC does not have the authority to define a regular school day either.

According to the School Act of BC, each DISTRICT defines a regular school day based on their district calendar.

The act of a teacher strike does NOT alter the status of a regular school day. It is still a school day by definition even in there is a strike.

(Soundy is right in that the strike may be over and kids back in school and you may not even know it..)

Therefore, ICBC is correct in warning that school zones are still in effect during a strike.

There is precedent for my argument here:
CanLII - 2010 BCPC 56 (CanLII)
I'm no longer seeing "School day" being defined in the school act as per that ruling.

Do we no longer have a legal definition of "School day"?
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