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Sharing news related to the story - an NHL game being postponed, earns fails, interesting. Guess everyone handles an event like this differently. He's more to fail then: An NHL team (Leafs) were told to stay away from their hotel windows during an ongoing situation due to their proximity. Also sharing that the at the start of the Flyers/Pens game, they sang O'Canada to show solidarity.
If you are going to try and post some crap about hockey that actually pertains to the matter and shows some level of consideration for the loss of life from today, post this:
Having little to go on as I drove to work before 8am and being desensitized to the hype of MSM, I thought perhaps the story was being a tad overblown. Later on, my gf texted me to tell me I wouldn't be watching my Leafs game because it had been postponed due to the shooting in Ottawa. For me, that told me it was a pretty big deal on the level of the Bruins/Sens game being postponed due to the Boston Bombing. Posting the postponement news was my attempt at elaborating the scale of the situation. If that is inappropriate, so be it.
Increased security around transit and the skytrain, and LEO's are on alert. Ottawa is a long way away from Vancouver, but still close enough that people are thinking about it.
RIP to the poor guy.
I was wondering what that was all about, it was really odd to see armed police officers (not just transit police) at random places around the station.
I found out about this in the afternoon and it was a great shock.
RIP.
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only two people shot and they took care of the shooter right away. Remember the parliament is a public place so I personally think it was handled correctly and quickly from what I have heard/seen so far.
Agreed. Those who have never been to the paliament buildings and its surrounding areas should just hold off on the comments. It is very public, as in people are allowed to be just about anywhere.
Canada is never going to be the same again. We are now targets just like the US.
All of us have to do our part by being on alert when on transit and walking the streets. Be on the look out for anything suspicious and report it right away.
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So it sounds like this guy was probably a crackhead who got crazy from youtube and "converted" radically like so many of the recent homegrown criminals
Like the couple that tried to conduct bombings on Canada Day who were crackheads from Surrey, etc. and they all seem to have ties to BC...
We really need to improve our mental health services, especially in BC which has been neglecting that for a decade + now thanks to the Libs
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Canada is never going to be the same again. We are now targets just like the US.
and that's thanks to Harper for turning us from Peacekeepers to War Puppets and as mentioned below by willy i hope Harper doesn't use these incidents to turn us more into the US
From my Twitter feed: "sources tell Globe and Mail that he [shooter] was recently designated “high-risk traveler” and government seized his passport."
The man who hit the soldier with his vehicle in Quebec also had his passport seized.
Not too familiar with the policy side of things, but interested in knowing what led government to make the decision to seize passports. Are they increasing the risk of things happening inside our borders?
How would a policy look if they let them leave and didn't let them back into the country?
Right there in the first page of the passport, the very first line of the passport says that "This passport is the property of the Government of Canada." This means the passport is not yours -- it is merely something that the government has granted you its usage. This means the government reserves the right to revoke that usage rights of yours any time at their discretion.
Canada is never going to be the same again. We are now targets just like the US.
All of us have to do our part by being on alert when on transit and walking the streets. Be on the look out for anything suspicious and report it right away.
I do not agree that we have now become targets just like the US (and maybe the UK). Having coordinated terror attacks from external groups is still quite different than dealing with home grown terror attacks. Neither is good, obviously. But if I may say so, at least with home grown terror attacks, authorities have a significantly larger number of options to handle them.
If I may, I'd like to say that I hope the federal government will not use this as a precedent to push laws that will strip away our rights and freedom, because Harper did indicate tonight that he wants to tighten national security.
Because that's what's been happening down south in America in the last few years, and I would not want to see that happen here.
I've been overseas in a PMC capacity and I'll say Canada has always been on the radar as a target for terrorist groups and extremist. Without going into much detail, I've seen first hand evidence of plotting against Canada and Canadians in the past. Intelligence, military and police services have put a lot barriers in place to prevent some incidents, a lot of these extremist groups & individual aren't too competent and Canada while a target on their wish list, is low on their "wishlist" of desired targets, compared to the US and UK. Fortunately these incidents are rare, but it would be naive to think Canada or Canadians have never been on terror group or extremists radars until recently.
not much, but video of the suspect moments after he killed the guard at the memorial -- crazy to hear about this happening on Canadian soil. Really hits close to home
A lot of people are blowing this way out of proportion.
Thousands of people die from smoking, drug abuse, car accidents, and violence every year, and suddenly the death of one man is a national tragedy? You're saying that because this happened at Parliment Hill, Canada has somehow changed?
Sorry, but that's bullshit.
An occupation does not define a man or woman, nor does it make him or her worth more than anyone else. By the looks of it, every day should be a tragedy in North America, because we seem to give so much of a shit about everyone, right?
Wrong, the majority of people simply do not care unless it is convenient to mourn. When one man decides to shoot up Parliment Hill, we all collectively lose our shit, but why? Does this really matter in the grand scheme of things? Will this change the way you wake up in the morning?
It's shitty, but shitty things happen to decent people every day in other parts of the world, and less than a single thought is given towards those unsung victims in your own group of friends until it's paraded by a major media outlet (or two). Children die in piss poor regions of Africa to gun violence every day, what makes them so much less worthy of our rage?
Does it suck that that man died? Yes.
Does it matter in my life? No.
Am I scared because of this? No.
Should Canada change because of this? No.
You will live to work another day, save your objections, wake up and understand the world you live in, you're being too sensitive.
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A lot of people are blowing this way out of proportion.
Thousands of people die from smoking, drug abuse, car accidents, and violence every year, and suddenly the death of two men is a national tragedy? You're saying that because this happened at Parliment Hill, Canada has somehow changed?
Sorry, but that's bullshit.
An occupation does not define a man or woman, nor does it make him or her worth more than anyone else. By the looks of it, every day should be a tragedy in North America, because we seem to give so much of a shit about everyone, right?
Wrong, the majority of people simply do not care unless it is convenient to mourn. When one man decides to shoot up Parliment Hill, we all collectively lose our shit, but why? Does this really matter in the grand scheme of things? Will this change the way you wake up in the morning?
It's shitty, but shitty things happen to decent people every day in other parts of the world, and less than a single thought is given towards those unsung victims in your own group of friends until it's paraded by a major media outlet (or two). Children die in piss poor regions of Africa to gun violence every day, what makes them so much less worthy of our rage?
Does it suck that those men died? Yes.
Does it matter in my life? No.
Am I scared because of this? No.
Should Canada change because of this? No.
You will live to work another day, save your objections, wake up and understand the world you live in, you're being too sensitive.
It does matter in your life because you live in the country where it happened. If anyone isn't safe in the capitol of a country, it goes against everything government stands for -- a government's ability to protect its citizens is one of the pillars of modern day governments. I know you're trying to seem intelligent by playing the devil's advocate but this is neither the time or place to do so
You can't quantify this in terms of lives lost, it's a war of principles.
It does matter in your life because you live in the country where it happened. If anyone isn't safe in the capitol of a country, it goes against everything government stands for -- a government's ability to protect its citizens is one of the pillars of modern day governments. I know you're trying to seem intelligent by playing the devil's advocate but this is neither the time or place to do so
You can't quantify this in terms of lives lost, it's a war of principles.
I'm a nihilist, it will always seem like I'm playing the devil's advocate because it's how I actually feel. A government is supposed to maintain the image of security in order to keep it's population calm. If history is to judge how effectively governments actually keep citizens safe, ours have already failed. A government can try to control the fringes of society, but ultimately there is nothing you can do to stop someone from blowing up your bus. Even the most organized and well adjusted government could not prevent me from beheading someone tomorrow, it's one of the rules of life that so many forget exists.
You and too many other people believe that we are more immune from attack because of where we live and who governs us, this would not be true in the most restrictive of societies. You are always at risk of being slaughtered without mercy from someone who really couldn't care less, and the loss of my life would be entirely inconsequential. I don't think you are truly grasping how far from worried I am, if anything, it's a relief to know that nothing can protect my life but myself.
(And I really wouldn't expect anyone to care.)
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It sucks that kids die around the world all the time, but this happened in Canada not some poor country in Africa, a town in Palestine, or a village in Iraq. Saying this incident is insignificant compared to what happens to the rest of the world is really ridiculous and maybe you should try living in Somalia or Iraq and realize how much better it is to be in Canada and why it is so shocking when a terrorist act happens in Canada.
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not much, but video of the suspect moments after he killed the guard at the memorial -- crazy to hear about this happening on Canadian soil. Really hits close to home
most of us are too young I guess but the FLQ (quebec liberation terrorist group) has committed a great deal of bombing attacks & murders in Canada, attacks which have declined but are continuing to occur, up to and including 2012 (in Montreal)...
plus there were all the other mass shooting nutjobs etc even recently with that Rambo wannabe over on the east coast
A lot of people are blowing this way out of proportion.
Thousands of people die from smoking, drug abuse, car accidents, and violence every year, and suddenly the death of one man is a national tragedy? You're saying that because this happened at Parliment Hill, Canada has somehow changed?
Sorry, but that's bullshit.
An occupation does not define a man or woman, nor does it make him or her worth more than anyone else. By the looks of it, every day should be a tragedy in North America, because we seem to give so much of a shit about everyone, right?
Wrong, the majority of people simply do not care unless it is convenient to mourn. When one man decides to shoot up Parliment Hill, we all collectively lose our shit, but why? Does this really matter in the grand scheme of things? Will this change the way you wake up in the morning?
It's shitty, but shitty things happen to decent people every day in other parts of the world, and less than a single thought is given towards those unsung victims in your own group of friends until it's paraded by a major media outlet (or two). Children die in piss poor regions of Africa to gun violence every day, what makes them so much less worthy of our rage?
Does it suck that those men died? Yes.
Does it matter in my life? No.
Am I scared because of this? No.
Should Canada change because of this? No.
You will live to work another day, save your objections, wake up and understand the world you live in, you're being too sensitive.
100000% agree.
Honestly I'm blown away by this coverage like wtf..seriously like the way even the team 1040 was sounding this was like Boston bombings 2.0...
One man died, unfortunately a seemingly good, dedicated canadian. But it was one man. How is this any different than a cop dying in the line of duty? Because it happened at the parliament?
If you actually see Canada as a "different" place or feel unsafe now, I feel sorry for you. And I've even go as far to say that stance formed based upon these events is ignorant.
The news coverage honestly feels like internal fear mongering. Terrorists DO win when news outlets lead with headlines like "Canada, are you safe/do you feel safe?" It's fucking rediculous and the peons who can't think for themselves just perpetuate ideals force fed to them onto other peons.
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It sucks that kids die around the world all the time, but this happened in Canada not some poor country in Africa, a town in Palestine, or a village in Iraq. Saying this incident is insignificant compared to what happens to the rest of the world is really ridiculous and maybe you should try living in Somalia or Iraq and realize how much better it is to be in Canada and why it is so shocking when a terrorist act happens in Canada.
Except the part where it's not shocking at all, Canada has been a target for a long time.
A lot of people are blowing this way out of proportion.
Thousands of people die from smoking, drug abuse, car accidents, and violence every year, and suddenly the death of one man is a national tragedy? You're saying that because this happened at Parliment Hill, Canada has somehow changed?
Sorry, but that's bullshit.
An occupation does not define a man or woman, nor does it make him or her worth more than anyone else. By the looks of it, every day should be a tragedy in North America, because we seem to give so much of a shit about everyone, right?
Wrong, the majority of people simply do not care unless it is convenient to mourn. When one man decides to shoot up Parliment Hill, we all collectively lose our shit, but why? Does this really matter in the grand scheme of things? Will this change the way you wake up in the morning?
It's shitty, but shitty things happen to decent people every day in other parts of the world, and less than a single thought is given towards those unsung victims in your own group of friends until it's paraded by a major media outlet (or two). Children die in piss poor regions of Africa to gun violence every day, what makes them so much less worthy of our rage?
Does it suck that that man died? Yes.
Does it matter in my life? No.
Am I scared because of this? No.
Should Canada change because of this? No.
You will live to work another day, save your objections, wake up and understand the world you live in, you're being too sensitive.
let me get this straight....
youre comparing deaths from smoking, drug overdoses, car accidents to the murder of soldier who was doing his duty(it is duty to have a presence at the memorial), which was already claim by ISIS as their doing?
I am a firefighter i mourn the deaths of all our service people...military and emergency a like....especially in the line of duty.
doesnt matter where..if i cop is shot down in the line of duty in st. johns, i will pay my respects and he was a hero.
If a office worker crosses the street and a piano falls on him, i dont know whether he was a good or bad person, but if i see the article I will hope he RIP, but he wasnt a hero. he wasnt going to war, he wasnt keeping our streets safe, he wasnt making sure that there is one less criminal on the streets, nor was he helping pulling a person from a crumpled car or out of a burning building.
all human lives are equally important, but there are those who step up and try and do better for their community and country, and yes, i agree those people are Heros and they should be mourned nationally.
Do i care about bad things that happen in other countries, yes. Do i care about what happens in my own country MORE, yes. are my beliefs that we should save our own poor and sick before we save other countries poor and sick, yes.
In the end, the joe-smo citizen doesnt give a shit, cause they are mostly ungrateful or clueless of what actually is being done for them, but for those of us in the emergency/military world; we know.
do i think laws should change, yes
do i personally fear for my life, no
.....do i fear for the next 9/11 with mass casualties, yes!
enough of this fucking pussy footing around. we need some security changes.
do we need big brother...i hope not, but right now, what we have isnt working
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