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Old 12-28-2014, 07:31 PM   #201
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Damn, a little late to the discussion.

You do know that you have the right to not pay for food that is not up to your expectations right? It is not against the law nor a crime to walk out of a restaurant after eating the food, and claim that you are dissatisfied with it. The worst they can do is not welcome you to their business again.

I ate at the Denny's with a buddy on marine drive once. I ordered a breakfast, finished it, and my buddy found a curly strand of hair in his omelette... he didn't know what to do and all confused. The waitress insist she replace his meal, I told her not to... we're just gonna leave without paying, she's like "ok". Free breakfast for me, free hot chocolate for my buddy, drove down the street to white spot and my buddy got an egg benedict.

For me, if I find there is shit in my food or if my food is not prepared like it should (hot, cooked, etc.) I'd just leave. If there is something wrong with it, there will probably be something wrong again, but without you noticing it especially after you complained.
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I ate at the Denny's with a buddy on marine drive once. I ordered a breakfast, finished it, and my buddy found a curly strand of hair in his omelette... he didn't know what to do and all confused. The waitress insist she replace his meal, I told her not to... we're just gonna leave without paying, she's like "ok". Free breakfast for me, free hot chocolate for my buddy, drove down the street to white spot and my buddy got an egg benedict.

For me, if I find there is shit in my food or if my food is not prepared like it should (hot, cooked, etc.) I'd just leave.
^ That's pretty fucked up man. A lot of places charge the server if someone skips on the bill.

Complain, if a manager comps the one meal, great. Don't fucking walk out on paying your bill too.
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Please do not get up and leave.. sounds like a pretty pussy thing to do
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Umm no. You are not "entitled" to NOT pay the bill. If you do so, it is to the restaurant's discretion. Not yours. If you don't want to pay for the bill because food or service was subpar, you let someone know and they will do their best to remedy it whether or not their remedy was to your standards is up to you. The LAW is that you have to pay because it is an exchange of goods.
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Damn, a little late to the discussion.

You do know that you have the right to not pay for food that is not up to your expectations right? It is not against the law nor a crime to walk out of a restaurant after eating the food, and claim that you are dissatisfied with it. The worst they can do is not welcome you to their business again.

I ate at the Denny's with a buddy on marine drive once. I ordered a breakfast, finished it, and my buddy found a curly strand of hair in his omelette... he didn't know what to do and all confused. The waitress insist she replace his meal, I told her not to... we're just gonna leave without paying, she's like "ok". Free breakfast for me, free hot chocolate for my buddy, drove down the street to white spot and my buddy got an egg benedict.

For me, if I find there is shit in my food or if my food is not prepared like it should (hot, cooked, etc.) I'd just leave. If there is something wrong with it, there will probably be something wrong again, but without you noticing it especially after you complained.
how would you like it if you provided a service and at the end the customer said your service sucks and just bail on your payment?
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Damn, a little late to the discussion.

You do know that you have the right to not pay for food that is not up to your expectations right? It is not against the law nor a crime to walk out of a restaurant after eating the food, and claim that you are dissatisfied with it. The worst they can do is not welcome you to their business again.

I ate at the Denny's with a buddy on marine drive once. I ordered a breakfast, finished it, and my buddy found a curly strand of hair in his omelette... he didn't know what to do and all confused. The waitress insist she replace his meal, I told her not to... we're just gonna leave without paying, she's like "ok". Free breakfast for me, free hot chocolate for my buddy, drove down the street to white spot and my buddy got an egg benedict.

For me, if I find there is shit in my food or if my food is not prepared like it should (hot, cooked, etc.) I'd just leave. If there is something wrong with it, there will probably be something wrong again, but without you noticing it especially after you complained.
The key line in your story is that you told her you're not paying and she agreed. There's a big difference between doing that rather than eating it all and just leaving. One is called dine and dash which is illegal while the other is you essentially making a complaint and the establishment dealing with it by making your meal complimentary to make up for the unsatisfactory visit. Don't give stupid advise saying it's okay to eat and just walk out without paying when you yourself told them about it and had the waitress say "ok" or agree to you saying you're not paying for the meal when you found a hair in it.
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I'm really happy this thread got interesting again... Thanks for being such a heartless young punk mr_chin
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Damn, a little late to the discussion.

You do know that you have the right to not pay for food that is not up to your expectations right? It is not against the law nor a crime to walk out of a restaurant after eating the food, and claim that you are dissatisfied with it. The worst they can do is not welcome you to their business again.

I ate at the Denny's with a buddy on marine drive once. I ordered a breakfast, finished it, and my buddy found a curly strand of hair in his omelette... he didn't know what to do and all confused. The waitress insist she replace his meal, I told her not to... we're just gonna leave without paying, she's like "ok". Free breakfast for me, free hot chocolate for my buddy, drove down the street to white spot and my buddy got an egg benedict.

For me, if I find there is shit in my food or if my food is not prepared like it should (hot, cooked, etc.) I'd just leave. If there is something wrong with it, there will probably be something wrong again, but without you noticing it especially after you complained.
So what your saying is, I can do this to every resturant and just nitpick my way to try and find everything little thing wrong and get free food everyday... DAYUM... here I was doing it wrong all my life, paying my bill
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mr_chin failed to tell us that him and his friend went to Denny's on the day of their shared birth date and walked out on their free breakfast
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Damn, a little late to the discussion.

You do know that you have the right to not pay for food that is not up to your expectations right? It is not against the law nor a crime to walk out of a restaurant after eating the food, and claim that you are dissatisfied with it. The worst they can do is not welcome you to their business again.

I ate at the Denny's with a buddy on marine drive once. I ordered a breakfast, finished it, and my buddy found a curly strand of hair in his omelette... he didn't know what to do and all confused. The waitress insist she replace his meal, I told her not to... we're just gonna leave without paying, she's like "ok". Free breakfast for me, free hot chocolate for my buddy, drove down the street to white spot and my buddy got an egg benedict.

For me, if I find there is shit in my food or if my food is not prepared like it should (hot, cooked, etc.) I'd just leave. If there is something wrong with it, there will probably be something wrong again, but without you noticing it especially after you complained.
And here I was paying for my food like a chump.

Brb, going to go to some fine dining restaurants and getting my piece of the free pie.

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The key line in your story is that you told her you're not paying and she agreed. There's a big difference between doing that rather than eating it all and just leaving. One is called dine and dash which is illegal while the other is you essentially making a complaint and the establishment dealing with it by making your meal complimentary to make up for the unsatisfactory visit. Don't give stupid advise saying it's okay to eat and just walk out without paying when you yourself told them about it and had the waitress say "ok" or agree to you saying you're not paying for the meal when you found a hair in it.
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this is what i clearly state, i didn't say just walk out without saying anything, that would then be dine and dash.

what i described is not something many people will do because it's way below anyone who even have a little bit of moral and decency.

what I described in my original post is not consider a stupid advice. you and everybody who had no idea should probably know and/or do some research on your right as a paying customer at a restaurant. it's also not an advice that came out of my ass or i dug up on, my buddy who graduated from criminology told me about it. something to do with the charter of rights. most services or products where you pay after receiving it, you are in every control and right to not pay for it if you're not satisfied because there is no binding contract between you and seller that you must pay. phone bill, rent, etc. is where you must pay because you signed a contract/agreement.

if you find anything (bug, hair, etc.) in your food, it's better leaving than having the chef make you a new one. personally, i would not give food safety and hygiene a second chance.

the OP described that his food was served cold and had every right in his position to not pay for the food, which goes accurately to what i described and advised. in this case, i would give the chef a second chance to make a new one and if repeat, then i would just tell the waiter/waitress goodbye.

to everybody else, yes, at the end of your meal, you can find any excuse with your food and just leave the restaurant. only down side is, you will not be allowed at that restaurant again (or any other, if it's a franchise) and you will create a big scene unless you throw a dead fly on your plate at the end of your meal because no waiter/waitress/manager would want a big scene about a bug in their food, they rather let you go in silence.
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this is what i clearly state, i didn't say just walk out without saying anything, that would then be dine and dash.

what i described is not something many people will do because it's way below anyone who even have a little bit of moral and decency.

what I described in my original post is not consider a stupid advice. you and everybody who had no idea should probably know and/or do some research on your right as a paying customer at a restaurant. it's also not an advice that came out of my ass or i dug up on, my buddy who graduated from criminology told me about it. something to do with the charter of rights. most services or products where you pay after receiving it, you are in every control and right to not pay for it if you're not satisfied because there is no binding contract between you and seller that you must pay. phone bill, rent, etc. is where you must pay because you signed a contract/agreement.

if you find anything (bug, hair, etc.) in your food, it's better leaving than having the chef make you a new one. personally, i would not give food safety and hygiene a second chance.

the OP described that his food was served cold and had every right in his position to not pay for the food, which goes accurately to what i described and advised. in this case, i would give the chef a second chance to make a new one and if repeat, then i would just tell the waiter/waitress goodbye.

to everybody else, yes, at the end of your meal, you can find any excuse with your food and just leave the restaurant. only down side is, you will not be allowed at that restaurant again (or any other, if it's a franchise) and you will create a big scene unless you throw a dead fly on your plate at the end of your meal because no waiter/waitress/manager would want a big scene about a bug in their food, they rather let you go in silence.
What are you on about?

You didn't sign a contract therefore you can walk out without paying? The charter of rights and freedoms?

Seriously what the hell am I reading?

I'd love to see you explain that to the cops. "Sorry officer, but I never signed a contract to buy that Big Mac; therefore, I just ate it and walked out."

Just because there was not a signed contract does not mean there was not a binding exchange which both parties agreed/understood would take place.

When you walk into an establishment, take a seat, look at a menu with set prices, then order an item off that menu, there is the express understanding that you will then pay for the services rendered to make that meal happen. Regardless of how you felt about how that service was rendered. The server could have dropped it in your lap for all I care. Your obligation at that point is to pay for that food.

Now whether a restaurant will make you pay for having your breakfast dumped on your lap, or not, is an entirely different topic. If they did I would probably make a thread on here, but I would still have to legally pay for the meal.

What's next your going to walk into a clothing store, and just walk out with a bunch of clothes claiming that you never signed a contract agreeing to pay for the clothes?

Are you a freeman by chance?
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it's also not an advice that came out of my ass or i dug up on, my buddy who graduated from criminology told me about it.
Because someone with a BA is clearly an expert at interpreting the law.

It's pretty hypocritical for you to tell us to do research on the topic when you have nothing more than anecdotal evidence from a novice source.
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this is what i clearly state, i didn't say just walk out without saying anything, that would then be dine and dash.

what i described is not something many people will do because it's way below anyone who even have a little bit of moral and decency.

what I described in my original post is not consider a stupid advice. you and everybody who had no idea should probably know and/or do some research on your right as a paying customer at a restaurant. it's also not an advice that came out of my ass or i dug up on, my buddy who graduated from criminology told me about it. something to do with the charter of rights. most services or products where you pay after receiving it, you are in every control and right to not pay for it if you're not satisfied because there is no binding contract between you and seller that you must pay. phone bill, rent, etc. is where you must pay because you signed a contract/agreement.

if you find anything (bug, hair, etc.) in your food, it's better leaving than having the chef make you a new one. personally, i would not give food safety and hygiene a second chance.

the OP described that his food was served cold and had every right in his position to not pay for the food, which goes accurately to what i described and advised. in this case, i would give the chef a second chance to make a new one and if repeat, then i would just tell the waiter/waitress goodbye.

to everybody else, yes, at the end of your meal, you can find any excuse with your food and just leave the restaurant. only down side is, you will not be allowed at that restaurant again (or any other, if it's a franchise) and you will create a big scene unless you throw a dead fly on your plate at the end of your meal because no waiter/waitress/manager would want a big scene about a bug in their food, they rather let you go in silence.
Nice way to distant yourself from your claim.
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it's also not an advice that came out of my ass or i dug up on, my buddy who graduated from criminology told me about it. something to do with the charter of rights.
Considering you're already on the internet and therefore more than able to perform proper research, this is literally one of the shittiest sources of information you could have used.
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Wasn't the incident first described that he thought his food was cold, ate it and then short changed the bill? He didn't say anything when he received it, he ate it, and then thought he can decide how much he pays for it. Your example although flawed is pointless because it doesn't apply to this situation.
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this is what i clearly state, i didn't say just walk out without saying anything, that would then be dine and dash.

what i described is not something many people will do because it's way below anyone who even have a little bit of moral and decency.

what I described in my original post is not consider a stupid advice. you and everybody who had no idea should probably know and/or do some research on your right as a paying customer at a restaurant. it's also not an advice that came out of my ass or i dug up on, my buddy who graduated from criminology told me about it. something to do with the charter of rights. most services or products where you pay after receiving it, you are in every control and right to not pay for it if you're not satisfied because there is no binding contract between you and seller that you must pay. phone bill, rent, etc. is where you must pay because you signed a contract/agreement.

if you find anything (bug, hair, etc.) in your food, it's better leaving than having the chef make you a new one. personally, i would not give food safety and hygiene a second chance.

the OP described that his food was served cold and had every right in his position to not pay for the food, which goes accurately to what i described and advised. in this case, i would give the chef a second chance to make a new one and if repeat, then i would just tell the waiter/waitress goodbye.

to everybody else, yes, at the end of your meal, you can find any excuse with your food and just leave the restaurant. only down side is, you will not be allowed at that restaurant again (or any other, if it's a franchise) and you will create a big scene unless you throw a dead fly on your plate at the end of your meal because no waiter/waitress/manager would want a big scene about a bug in their food, they rather let you go in silence.
that is the most absurd shit i have heard all year.

what you just said are:

a) that you have very little to no morals or decency.

b) most services or products where you pay after receiving it is called a transaction of goods. you exchange a product for another (this case, money for food) thats why there is a receipt. that itself is essentially a contract.

c) and you watch too much tv. most establishments won't ever even give that a thought. there is just too much to lose over a dish that has to be remade.

man, i would love to see a contract that needs to be written up for every transaction ever made.

wtf happened to common sense?
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What are you on about?

You didn't sign a contract therefore you can walk out without paying? The charter of rights and freedoms?

Seriously what the hell am I reading?
Hey, don't get all butthurt on me. Read what I wrote about where I learned it, before you start spewing your rage.

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I'd love to see you explain that to the cops. "Sorry officer, but I never signed a contract to buy that Big Mac; therefore, I just ate it and walked out."
If you're deciding not to pay, obviously you're not going to be cocky about it. Like I said, many many people don't have the decency or immoral to eat, complain and leave, so chill out bro. It is what it is.

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It doesn't mean there is either... so the customer has the upper hand because he/she can find almost any excuse to not pay.

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When you walk into an establishment, take a seat, look at a menu with set prices, then order an item off that menu, there is the express understanding that you will then pay for the services rendered to make that meal happen. Regardless of how you felt about how that service was rendered. The server could have dropped it in your lap for all I care. Your obligation at that point is to pay for that food.

Now whether a restaurant will make you pay for having your breakfast dumped on your lap, or not, is an entirely different topic. If they did I would probably make a thread on here, but I would still have to legally pay for the meal.
What do you mean "but I would still have to legally pay for the meal"? If you walk into a restaurant, ordered a meal, and it didn't come as described on the menu, you would pay for it? If they served your food on a plunger, used condoms, used panties, you'd still pay for it?

If you ordered a three course meal and they only serve you two, you'd pay for three? I mean, decency is decency, but you should also have some sense of pride and principals before you actually pay for a service.

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What's next your going to walk into a clothing store, and just walk out with a bunch of clothes claiming that you never signed a contract agreeing to pay for the clothes?

Are you a freeman by chance?
That would be theft.

However, customers have the right to return products for full refund within 2 years of purchasing product unless there is written agreement that states the duration of refund/exchange or no refund/exchange.

Whether buying products at a mall or getting service from a restaurant, the same rule applies for customers. Eating at a restaurant, and later discovering that there is something wrong with the food, is similar to getting a full refund.
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Considering you're already on the internet and therefore more than able to perform proper research, this is literally one of the shittiest sources of information you could have used.
Business Practices and Consumer Protection Act

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"I started my car after I filled it up and it just doesn't feel right. I'm not satisfied and refuse to pay cause no contract."

amidoingitrite?
It used to be where you pay after, until the hit and runs at gas stations started happening... that's why now, you prepay.

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that is the most absurd shit i have heard all year.

what you just said are:

a) that you have very little to no morals or decency.

b) most services or products where you pay after receiving it is called a transaction of goods. you exchange a product for another (this case, money for food) thats why there is a receipt. that itself is essentially a contract.

c) and you watch too much tv. most establishments won't ever even give that a thought. there is just too much to lose over a dish that has to be remade.

man, i would love to see a contract that needs to be written up for every transaction ever made.

wtf happened to common sense?
a) I don't understand. I'm stating what I know, doesn't mean that I will actually do it. If I find something wrong with my food, I will not pay for it period. Obviously I'm not gonna lie about my dissatisfaction and walk out. The same thing applies to anything you pay for it and finding wrong with it.

b) But if you didn't pay, how do you have a receipt...?

c) Wrong. Most establishment rather remake a dish because allowing you to leave and not pay, they gain nothing. The restaurant can remake your dish multiple times and still make a little profit from it.

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However, customers have the right to return products for full refund within 2 years of purchasing product unless there is written agreement that states the duration of refund/exchange or no refund/exchange.

Whether buying products at a mall or getting service from a restaurant, the same rule applies for customers. Eating at a restaurant, and later discovering that there is something wrong with the food, is similar to getting a full refund.
So did they make you throw up on the spot, or did they let you come in the next day to shit?
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So did they make you throw up on the spot, or did they let you come in the next day to shit?
If I honestly found a fly or a pube in my food, I'd throw up on the spot regardless if they let me.
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