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Midnitez · 01-10-2015, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by flagella

Your fault unless the bus started changing lane in the middle of intersection and T-boned you.

Basically what happened... but apparently now it isn't illegal to change lanes mid intersection... just unsafe.....

Somebody said it may count as bus taking wider turns... so he's taking it at the expense of squishing me :P

underscore · 01-10-2015, 07:59 AM

IIRC it's not illegal to make a lane change in an intersection, but it is illegal to make a lane change across the solid white just before an intersection. So depending on when he started moving over, it may or may not have been illegal.

MelonBoy · 01-10-2015, 09:48 AM

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When did they change the intersection lane change not being illegal?!

I remember it being illegal when i took my drivers license.. why the hell would they even change that? It makes a lot of sense and is a VERY dangerous spot to be changing lanes
(though we all probably do it sometimes)

underscore · 01-10-2015, 09:50 AM

It's not illegal during licensing, but it is frowned upon and it might get you failed.

meme405 · 01-10-2015, 11:23 AM

It's never been strictly illegal to change lanes inside an intersection.

The MVA says something along the lines of "you may only do so if it is safe", and honestly it is like literally never safe to do so. So the driving instructors and stuff just tell people not to do it.

xXSupa · 01-10-2015, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MelonBoy

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When did they change the intersection lane change not being illegal?!

I remember it being illegal when i took my drivers license.. why the hell would they even change that? It makes a lot of sense and is a VERY dangerous spot to be changing lanes
(though we all probably do it sometimes)

They never changed it. It's always been legal.

underscore · 01-10-2015, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by meme405

It's never been strictly illegal to change lanes inside an intersection.

The MVA says something along the lines of "you may only do so if it is safe", and honestly it is like literally never safe to do so. So the driving instructors and stuff just tell people not to do it.

It's completely safe when there's nobody turning right off the crossroad...

meme405 · 01-10-2015, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by underscore

It's completely safe when there's nobody turning right off the crossroad...

And if you do it right to left, but the guy turning left starts to go a little bit too quick, and you clip each other?

There is a hundred different ways that others inside an intersection can be impacted by someone changing lanes. Its better to just wait until after the intersection to do it.

underscore · 01-10-2015, 04:14 PM

Its pretty easy to watch for people turning, and just not do it when a person may turn in front of you. It's really not very difficult. You can also use these things called turn signals to indicate your intentions which other motorists can see and act accordingly.

ancient_510 · 01-11-2015, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnitez

I practically stopped

Too bad you didn't literally stop, then get hit while stopped.
That would have been your only out from what I've read ITT.

AzNightmare · 01-12-2015, 01:17 AM

Damn, this is why even for right turns, I always wait until there's no cars coming, even if a car is travelling in the adjacent lane.

Cars with the right of way can suddenly change lanes, and might not be focused on cars turning out.
Then you suddenly have 2 cars "merging" together in the same lane at the same time.

Good luck with your case. Buses should have cameras, so this should be an easy investigation for ICBC.

meme405 · 01-12-2015, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by underscore

Its pretty easy to watch for people turning, and just not do it when a person may turn in front of you. It's really not very difficult. You can also use these things called turn signals to indicate your intentions which other motorists can see and act accordingly.

using your turn signals inside an intersection is also a bad idea, cause if you are signalling correctly, you would have to signal for up to 3 seconds before commencing your lane change, which means that you would signal long before you actually got to the intersection, so how would anyone inside the intersection know that you are changing lanes, and not making a left or right turn.

I'm not arguing that there is times it can be done, but if there was nobody around why couldn't you have just waited to make the lane change till after the intersection? The reason instructors teach it as illegal, is because it is almost entirely avoidable barring very specific cases, like traffic in an intersection, or when you are going around a vehicle turning left.

underscore · 01-12-2015, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by meme405

using your turn signals inside an intersection is also a bad idea, cause if you are signalling correctly, you would have to signal for up to 3 seconds before commencing your lane change, which means that you would signal long before you actually got to the intersection, so how would anyone inside the intersection know that you are changing lanes, and not making a left or right turn.

If you're turning right you're in the right lane with your right indicator on, if you're changing lanes you're in the left lane with your right indicator on, and vice versa for the left. The onus is on the person turning to only move if they're sure of what you're doing, if your indicator is on and they're unsure they shouldn't move.

meme405 · 01-12-2015, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by underscore

If you're turning right you're in the right lane with your right indicator on, if you're changing lanes you're in the left lane with your right indicator on, and vice versa for the left. The onus is on the person turning to only move if they're sure of what you're doing, if your indicator is on and they're unsure they shouldn't move.

Yeah and everybody should drive with their headlights on at night, and stay in their lane, and when they are completing a turn should do so into their according lane, etc.

Yet how often do people fuck these simple things up?

I understand where you are coming from, that it shouldn't be a big problem, but it is, because people are stupid, and fail to anticipate or read situations quickly enough.

You have to remember our road systems, everything from speed limits, to no rolling stops, and cell phone laws, are designed to cater to the lowest common denominator. That fucking 95 year old geriatric who can't see 20' past her bumper, that N-driver with 5 buddies crammed into his car who isn't paying attention to dick cause he's completely distracted, or the plain bad driver who immigrated here and was magically handed a license since he bribed some government official in his own country.

You think in the three cases above that one of those people won't accidentally mis-read what you are doing and put the two of you into a bad scenario?

Instructors teach drivers not to do lane changes inside intersections, so much so that a lot of people think it's illegal. That's how dangerous it can become. What kind of lane changes are you making that it couldn't wait till after the intersection?

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Originally Posted by underscore

if your indicator is on and they're unsure they shouldn't move.

Big difference between "shouldn't" and "won't"

underscore · 01-12-2015, 10:03 PM

While I agree that people are stupid, and a lot of things get dumbed down, I don't like to let my actions be modified because of the lowest common denominator as well.

tool001 · 01-13-2015, 12:30 AM

Half of the buses out there change lanes in the intersection. Cause most stops..If not all are right after stop lights

sebTeggy · 01-13-2015, 07:37 AM

I think that it is the buses fault. He was in the left lane, you turned into an OPEN right lane. After the intersection, he decided to change lanes and drove into you.

When it says 'yield to a bus' that doesn't mean he can plow into you if you are in his way.... That is not how it works.

mr_chin · 01-13-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by meme405

What kind of lane changes are you making that it couldn't wait till after the intersection?

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Originally Posted by sebTeggy

I think that it is the buses fault. He was in the left lane, you turned into an OPEN right lane. After the intersection, he decided to change lanes and drove into you.

When it says 'yield to a bus' that doesn't mean he can plow into you if you are in his way.... That is not how it works.

When you're turning right and you have the red light in front of you, you will be one hundred percent at fault because no matter what, you have to yield to oncoming traffic. Just because there is a free lane for you to turn into, doesn't mean you have the right of way.

Buses often change lane during intersection because the bus stop is right after the intersection. If they change lane after the intersection, the bus would completely block the middle lane.

Let this be a lesson to OP and all of you who believe that it is safe to turn right at a red light when there is a free lane.

So many times when I'm driving down a one lane road and people just bust out from the side street to a "parking lane" by the sidewalk and I get startled and slow down. I just want to yell at the driver "don't fucking do that". It makes no fucking difference had he waited at the stop sign or on the side of the curb, he's still fucking waiting.

There are rules to the road, and then there are common courtesy on the road. People who think that "oh I'll just pull out to the side and wait til oncoming traffic stop then I can just merge." Yes you can, but it's fucking rude as hell when you do that and scare the shit out of people, who thinks that you'll pull onto traffic and hit them.

Likewise, when someone's turning left, and the light changes to the yellow, driver who is turning right on the other side of the street onto the same street, should yield to the guy turning left. It's not the rule, but it's common courtesy, he's making a damn left turn, is in every position to be at fault, and the light is already yellow, let the guy go.

Midnitez · 01-17-2015, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sebTeggy

I think that it is the buses fault. He was in the left lane, you turned into an OPEN right lane. After the intersection, he decided to change lanes and drove into you.

When it says 'yield to a bus' that doesn't mean he can plow into you if you are in his way.... That is not how it works.

Unfortunately it may cost me some legal fees to have that slapped into heir heads... Sure we are Yielding to busses... but last time I rode a bus I felt like they are rushing to finish their route more than trying to get 20+ ppl safely to their destination...

Yeah I know there's stops after an intersection... I was pretty damn sure he was not pulling in before I decided to turn right obviously... either way I feel like my roadstar discounts will get screwed over by this....