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Old 01-19-2015, 01:37 PM   #26
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If the range is anything close to the Model S the charging time shouldn't really be an issue in its current state for daily driving.

Lets say it's not as good and only does 350 (instead of 420~). That would last me over a week on a daily drive basis. And spending 10 seconds to charge it when I get home isn't really wasting my time.

I truly believe in its current state it is totally viable.
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Old 01-19-2015, 05:25 PM   #27
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Once they get charging times lower (say, 10-15 minutes) which I am sure will happen given enough R&D into the battery technology, I would definitely consider this as a daily driven second car. For long trips and such where infrastructure is uncertain (like rural areas) I'd keep a gas-engined vehicle around though...
I'm sure battery swap setups for an "instant charge" will become more popular as adoption spreads.
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Thanks for the clarification.

that voids my last 2 sentences in my previous post.

Still, the joint venture will provide much lowered battery costs for Tesla.
Tesla is owned by Toyota(27% share) and also a partner with Panasonic.
Tesla Motors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This will make it kind of joint venture since Toyota is heavily involved with electric/EV market.

If automotive giant like Toyota started using Panasonic batteries(or they are already), that would make it a joint venture.
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Once they get charging times lower (say, 10-15 minutes) which I am sure will happen given enough R&D into the battery technology, I would definitely consider this as a daily driven second car. For long trips and such where infrastructure is uncertain (like rural areas) I'd keep a gas-engined vehicle around though...
I don't think you will ever see 10-15minute charging time through a socket in our life time, that will be like 340kwatt power line going into your Tesla S P85. I am sure battery swap will be more feasible.

Battery will go lighter and lighter that's for sure, and software upgrade will make it more efficient
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How much would that add to the hydro bill say charging it 4x a month.
Also how much does it cost to charge at a charging station.
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Old 01-19-2015, 09:39 PM   #32
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for now charging stations are free (don't know about the Tesla ones).
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You can use this calculator to get a rough idea on the cost
Electric Vehicle Cost Calculator.

A 2014 Tesla model S

Driven 25 000 km would cost 695 dollars according to the above calculator.

Bchydro site says in most cases it should be under 2 dollars a charge

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if you own a tesla, charging at the tesla stations are for free.

but because since all charging stations are for free, i am making a guess that the tesla superchargers have some sort of adapter that only a tesla car could use.

at the tesla factory, there was always a line up of 3 or 4 cars waiting to use their superchargers there. there were 4 or 6 if i recall correctly.
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We took delivery 2 months ago for a P85, sold it within a week and ordered 2 more P85D expecting them in June.

Charging isnt much of a big deal, you will never drive the Tesla till the battery is dry. For daily use, you'd be looking at at least 50-60%, it takes about 10hrs to fully charge a Model S when completely empty, so charging it from 50% is only gonna take about 5 hrs or so.

In HK, a P85D with options is just under 1m HKD. at this price range, you'd be looking at a middle of the line E Class or 5 Series. Yet I'm getting a 691HP monster without ever needing to fill up.

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I'm sure battery swap setups for an "instant charge" will become more popular as adoption spreads.
this is the only ev car that i know of that uses battery swap tech:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Fluence_Z.E.

are there any others out there?
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