This.

Yes Sienna is more economical, Toyota bla bla bla. HOWEVER you have to play stupid Toyota dealer games to get it - WORSE than trying to get GT3 allocation.

Also, the drive and interior of the Sienna is so shit for what is a 60,000 dollar minivan. If I'm already going to penalize myself by driving a minivan I want to drive a minivan that I at least like driving. The 10 speed is great, the J35 is great.

What's some extra gas cost over suffering in traffic? :alone:

Why is zf9 shit if zf 6 and 8 is so praised? Why the hell is there one extra gear

Wtf lol! :lol

They're entirely different transmission designs. ZF6/8 are longitudinal transmissions designed for FR/AWD designs. The ZF9 is a transverse FWD application transmission.

More gears more efficiency.

once again just get an ALPHARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who cares about your family getting killed in a rollover accident or left turns.

Just get a new family and a new alphard, no biggie.

Yeah the ZF9 is for FWD transverse so it cost and PACKAGING (space) is way more difficult.
They did an ok job since Aisin/Toyota FWD 8AT also had major drivability issues.

Transmissions are just terribly difficult.
Even if you copy physical layout (which GM & Ford did for 8/10AT), thermo/fluid dynamics makes the GM8 and Ford10 downshifts terrible.
TCUs are another ballgame, they're just as expensive to develop as the trans itself.

dont buy a minivan

just buy 2-3 cars

I have a '23 Oddy. Bought in late '22. Sienna was a 18-24 month waitlist at the time.
Drives fine with the V6. Has paddle shifters. "Sport mode" AM radio reception sucks. FM is OK, but large areas of Marine drive, I get no reception, due to the transmitters being North. The embedded glass antenna sucks.



Kids classmate's family bought a sienna last year. Was still waitlisted. So they bought a Oddy, immediately traded it in at a VW dealer for the Sienna they wanted. Which had also been traded in from someone who just got their waitlisted Sienna and traded it in for above sticker?

Who listens to AM, genuine question

Asian uncles and AM1470 - name a more dynamic duo

The car experts that have on there somtimes giving horrible tips is my fav

Hearing a friend's dad call in all the time is funny.

Was trying to listen to Canucks game on Sportsnet 650 while driving one time. Gave up and streamed it.

I mean, if you get an EV they don't even have AM. Haha.

Found that when we got an EV. Interference from the DC motors I think the issue relates to, I heard.

I do. Sportsnet 650 is AM radio.

How do you stand that sound, it’s so awful

Well no Odyssey or EV for you then

Crock of shit cause hyundai EV's have AM radio and they work fine. Manufacturers either being lazy or cost cutting.

I have a Hyundai EV and have no issues listening to AM1130.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...re-2025-08-25/

ya'll who recommended Honda Odyssey are insane.

Modern day honda isnt the honda we all used to remember, pretty much same with toyota too but at least its not 1.4 million v6's being recalled.

Does the current gen Odyssey still have the variable displacement feature (where they shut off 1/2 of the engine to save fuel?

I seem to recall somewhere saying that the feature is prone to causing engine problems long term.

Yes but that's easy enough to disable. Honestly it is also not an issue for in Vancouver as we do not spend enough time on the highway to really activate this feature. More of an issue in the US where they cruise on the highway for hours.

Apparently Toyota uses 0w8 WTF is that oil in Corollas and 10000 km intervals. So good luck with Toyota

Yes new Toyota is trash too. Everything is trash. Fuck your weirdo water like oil. 0w8. Eat my asshole.

One of my favorite things about Revscene in the 2 years I've been back, is just watching Hobz's slow descent into madness upon realizing today's Toyota isn't half the Toyota he once loved. "Who am I? What even do I believe in anymore? Do I have a soul? Better buy a beetle."

If I were to pinpoint it, it's the moment dark posted pictures of his bricked Prius Prime.

:D

Ive become everything I hated !!!