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Old 03-25-2015, 09:01 PM   #26
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Apparently you can open the cockpit door via code, however the person inside can deny access...so
Also there should be a flight attendant inside, while one of the pilots is out. Too many questions
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Horrible to hear, hopefully they can sort this out more quickly that other recent aviation tragedies.
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In this day and age. Is it going to be that much more money or work to include a video of the cockpit inside the black box?
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Apparently you can open the cockpit door via code, however the person inside can deny access...so
Also there should be a flight attendant inside, while one of the pilots is out. Too many questions
I just heard on the BBC that the captain outside enters a code and the captain inside then chooses to unlock it (confirmation code basically)

BUT there is also an override on the outside to get inside if there's an emergency but the authorities/media aren't letting it known how this is done for obvious reason

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reports are now saying the co-pilot crashed the plane deliberately. must have locked the captain out, and did his thing.
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If the pilot in the cockpit turns the switch to "lock" than there's basically no way of getting into the cockpit even with a code. Usually the switch is on the "norm" setting or can be moved to "unlock".

In the US when one pilot has to leave the cockpit, a flight attendant must replace him/her because under US regulations there has to be two people in the cockpit at all times to basically prevent what happen in this tragedy. Lufthansa obviously didn't have this policy.
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reports are now saying the co-pilot crashed the plane deliberately. must have locked the captain out, and did his thing.
here's a link that backs that up.
Germanwings crash: 'co-pilot's actions leave us speechless,' says airline ? live updates | World news | The Guardian
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In this day and age. Is it going to be that much more money or work to include a video of the cockpit inside the black box?
I'm not sure how the black box stores audio, but video is a shitload more information to be storing than just audio. Seeing how good groups like the TSA are at sorting out the cause of a crash based on just audio (I think there's only 1 unsolved accident in the TSA's history?) it seems unnecessary.
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Wow did not expect that, that makes the situation all the more tragic...which, as had been noted already, brings to question the need of locking the cockpit doors. Its never seemed like a good idea, especially when there is already armed security on board.
There isn't always armed security onboard. In fact, there generally is not security on board, but as a passenger you will never know when.



Tragic to say the least. I couldn't imagine the feeling of being locked, or the passengers watching the captain not being able to access the cockpit. But as the video says, the shouts were not heard until close to impact. Awful.
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I just heard on the BBC that the captain outside enters a code and the captain inside then chooses to unlock it (confirmation code basically)

BUT there is also an override on the outside to get inside if there's an emergency but the authorities/media aren't letting it known how this is done for obvious reason

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There is multiple codes, which give different notifications in the flight deck. One particular code will unlock the door after a period of time has passed without a "deny" from the cockpit. This would allow access in the case of pilot unconsciousness while the other is in the back.

As for an override, i'm not aware of one. I'm sure maintenance has this ability, but the crew certainly does not know it.
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This is horrific! Any info. on this 28 year old pilot's background?

-had the scary thought of what happens if a pilot gets air rage, or suffers mental health issues that can lead to this sort of tragedy.

Does anyone know if airlines require pilots to undergo psychiatric evalutions/mental health checkups during their time of employment?
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He basically murdered almost as many people as Timothy McVeigh did in the Oklahoma City bombing.
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Does anyone know if airlines require pilots to undergo psychiatric evalutions/mental health checkups during their time of employment?
even if he passes, it doesnt predict what will happen in his life in the future

maybe his gf dumped him, maybe he owes money

if anything, they should have periodic psychiatric checkups
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He basically murdered almost as many people as Timothy McVeigh did in the Oklahoma City bombing.

Fuck I have a recurring nightmare about being on an airplane and crashing into a rocky, wooded area


What a horrific event, hope the victims' families find some peace in visiting the site and supporting each other.
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The US requirement (now Canada too as of today) of having 2 persons at all times in the cockpit made a lot of sense... too bad other places didn't follow until this tragedy.

The loophole here however is the designated person to enter the cockpit when one of the pilots needs to leave. It should be made always a random selection among several crew members to avoid people hacking this method.
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Uh Oh, the co-pilots name is Andreas Lubitz queue the speculation that he's a jewish terrorist...oh wait..

Okay queue CiC in 3, 2, 1..
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If someone has a death wish/terrorist plan. I highly doubt a Flight attendant in the cockpit is going to stop anything. But I understand why they have to implement the rule for the medias sake.
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At some point, you'll just have to trust that not everyone's a psycho. Unless you board yourself up and live the hermit life, anyone walking past you can have the potential to take your life. You can't live your life if you keep thinking that way.

There's no fail-safe approach you can take simply because the advantage always goes to the person who's motivated to cause harm.
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If someone has a death wish/terrorist plan. I highly doubt a Flight attendant in the cockpit is going to stop anything. But I understand why they have to implement the rule for the medias sake.
If someone really, really wants to put a plane into the ground I'm not sure how much even a second pilot in there can do to stop them.
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If someone has a death wish/terrorist plan. I highly doubt a Flight attendant in the cockpit is going to stop anything. But I understand why they have to implement the rule for the medias sake.
I was thinking the same initially, but then I realized that maybe it would help.
The bad pilot can't steer the plane into the ground AND at the same time stop the flight attendant from opening the cockpit door to allow the other pilot and/or passengers from storming in to overpower him.

Sure, maybe the bad pilot can kill the flight attendant first... but at least it's one additional step he would need to do.
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Airplanes have autopilots and fly perfectly well for hours on their own. As I said previously a single person is not going to stop someone with a plan. Yes it is an extra step. That is true. It may stop a gruesome attack with the safety axe in the flight deck, but it doesn't stop them from using the aircraft to their advantage. You have to remember, a flight attendant is not strapped in. They could could easily be knocked out with a couple quick maneuvers with the flight controls. Its for the media, so the companies won't be under fire when they aren't backing the same silly procedures as another airline. Personal opinion at least.
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In my airline our cabin crew are trained to read checklists in case something happens while the other guy is taking a toilet break. So yes, we always have at least two people in the cockpit for a reason
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Fuck that's like my worst nightmare :s
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