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Old 04-01-2015, 11:17 AM   #126
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I'm of mixed opinion about how FS worked. One the one hand, I've had a couple of bad experiences where the salespeople were being extremely pushy with the extended warranties (one outstanding moment was when I was a kid going with my dad and we had no less than four people push the warranty on a cheap phone we needed to replace... Dad finally told 'em to fuck off and that if it did die within the first year, it'd be returned via the front window late at night ). However, the last few times I've been in one the sales people were typically helpful and not pushy at all. Don't know if it just happened to be the stores I was in or if there was a culture change, but it was rather pleasant. I believe the FS in my town will be converting to a Best Buy as there wasn't one already, apart from a BB Mobile location in a mall.

I'm not sure how BB/FS worked by if every associate had access to margin numbers, but if so then that would help explain them pushing certain items over others. I personally work for a B&M retail company, though not as someone who works on the sales floor. While I have access to information like gross margin numbers and whatnot, the sales people here don't. I find that's a better method as it allows the associates to sell what's best for the customer without worrying if there's money being made. Yes, they still push tech sales and the warranty as those tend to be pure profit but it's definitely not as bad as other companies have been.
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having worked at FS long while back, and having bought electronics at the store and online. i am sad to see FS go, cause all the jobs that were lost.
many people dont think the front end store jobs are supported with tons of jobs in the warehouse/ admin/ etc. its too bad.

recently walked into FS on Broadway, looked at tv. spoke to sales associate. never felt pushed into buying or buying warranty. its thr job to ask, once/twice, i have had more pushy telemarketing calls and people asking me to sign up for CC at auto show.
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I always preferred FS over BB, to me it felt more sophisticated and seemingly carried more high end models of brands as opposed to BB which always felt like it was dumbed down to appeal to the ignorant consumer.

The last time I was in FS it was to buy my TV right before xmas, I had done about 10 hours of research on it and knew almost everything there was to know in terms of technical specs, ended up talking to the guy responsible for Sony models and he knew absolutely nothing compared to what I knew, I basically put him on spot over 5-6 different aspects of the TV then began to walk away saying Id think about it. He pulled me back and gave me boxing day pricing if Id buy it right then.

Seems like FS had more leeway when it came to making deals like that and price matching, never had anything but problems trying to haggle or price match at BB
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people losing jobs is bad news, but to me it's about the death of a long time local business that's sadder...in the end it was inevitable. Far too many Canadian businesses run complacent.

Wow I didn't realize they had price protection since day 1...I thought the whole pricematch rule only kicked in when Best Buy bought them.

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Is A&B Sound still around? That was another commission based electronics store, a lot like the early future shop posted in that pic... I remember going there the minute I got my first credit card.
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Is A&B Sound still around? That was another commission based electronics store, a lot like the early future shop posted in that pic... I remember going there the minute I got my first credit card.
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Is not just Future shop. Sony store is going to close all of their stores too (If not already done), Mexx is done, Home outfitters is going to close soon just to name a few.

The gov keep saying economy doing decent but I have many doubts.
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Sony I can understand. Sony has not been innovative and their products just aren't premium anymore, on top of 'premium' pricing..

I have not bought a Sony product in years and everyone I know either owns an LG or Samsung TV.
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Is not just Future shop. Sony store is going to close all of their stores too (If not already done), Mexx is done, Home outfitters is going to close soon just to name a few.

The gov keep saying economy doing decent but I have many doubts.
The state of brick-and-mortar stores isn't an economic indicator so much as it is of changing shopping habits.

Same reason record and video stores are almost completely gone now - it's all going online.
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Actually more because physical media is dying.
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Actually more because physical media is dying.
I am surprise H&M is still alive.
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Why? Their business model is amazing. And most people still buy clothes in person.

The reason I seldom buy any electronics in person is because I don't need a salesman's product knowledge so really they're just bothering me. People like me have researched the hell out of anything we buy so as my generation is hitting their 30s, fewer people go to actual stores rather than just having it shipped to your door. We have zero store loyalty, we do no trust traditional advertising...we just want the best deal. The companies that survive have tapped in and learned how to market to people like me. All you have to do is look at the growth of NCIX locally while FS dies. No one cares about customer service at NCIX. I seldom stay longer than 5 minutes. They just happen to win a race to the bottom.

Product knowledge and retail salesmen will be more and more irrelevant. It's a dinosaur of a job...a relic like mailmen that will eventually simply cease to be a job.
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Why? Their business model is amazing. And most people still buy clothes in person.

The reason I seldom buy any electronics in person is because I don't need a salesman's product knowledge so really they're just bothering me. People like me have researched the hell out of anything we buy so as my generation is hitting their 30s, fewer people go to actual stores rather than just having it shipped to your door. We have zero store loyalty, we do no trust traditional advertising...we just want the best deal. The companies that survive have tapped in and learned how to market to people like me. All you have to do is look at the growth of NCIX locally while FS dies. No one cares about customer service at NCIX. I seldom stay longer than 5 minutes. They just happen to win a race to the bottom.

Product knowledge and retail salesmen will be more and more irrelevant. It's a dinosaur of a job...a relic like mailmen that will eventually simply cease to be a job.
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Sad but true.... Guess I better start learning something new haha
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Agreed but not yet. We are a different generation. We are of one that is well involved with the technological changes of our society. These "product experts" aren't there for people like you and I who are going in to buy a product we've already spent countless hours doing research on. They're there for the older generation who still refers to a receiver as a stereo and is looking for a replacement remote control for their RCA tube tv.

Just because we are well versed with technology (as would be most of this ONLINE forum), doesn't mean we reflect the needs of the rest of the Canadian population.
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It does because my generation is now in their 30s, meaning we are now the primary demographic for technology. At least expensive technology. Older people mostly don't care about the high end. My parent are perfectly happy with standard def while I refuse to watch things that aren't at least 720p. Its already starting. The death of nearly every large big box tech store is evidence while stores that simply offer the best price do well.

Do you think anyone cares about the customer service at B&H? Or Amazon? No, they just have the lowest price. Whether that is a sustainable business model remains to be seen but the fact remains that customer service is a relic of a bygone era.
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It does because my generation is now in their 30s, meaning we are now the primary demographic for technology. At least expensive technology. Older people mostly don't care about the high end. My parent are perfectly happy with standard def while I refuse to watch things that aren't at least 720p. Its already starting. The death of nearly every large big box tech store is evidence while stores that simply offer the best price do well.

Do you think anyone cares about the customer service at B&H? Or Amazon? No, they just have the lowest price. Whether that is a sustainable business model remains to be seen but the fact remains that customer service is a relic of a bygone era.
Amazon customer service is absolutely amazing. I think they go above and beyond to make sure my needs as a customer are met and when they are not, they have made efforts to ensure that the problem gets rectified as soon as possible. When something goes wrong, and it will, people are going to reflect on Amazon's customer service.

Let's not neglect the beauty of Amazon reviews and the role they play in our purchasing online. Like an HONEST electronics salesman, Amazon reviews help us make informed decisions about the products we are looking into.

Your conclusions on whether "older people" care about high electronics is just too general and broad to be accurate. In your personal experience that may be true, I am not denying that, but the reality is, there are plenty of people from the older generation that value high end electronics. People in their 50's are ALWAYS cruising through electronic stores and picking up expensive tvs, stereos, computers etc. To actually there is a general desire not to have up to date technology from the older generation, it's just flawed reasoning.

I'm not debating whether or not the primary demographics of consumer electronics need in-person salesman to make purchasing decisions; I'm simply reminding us all that there is still a market out there of potential purchases who not only value the advice and help of a knowledgable sales associate, but also NEED that knowledge to make an informed decision. You won't see your parents going to NCIX to buy a set of speakers for their computer...they'll go to London Drugs, Staples, Costco, Future Shop etc. Again, I'm not debating whether or not our parents are the prime market. I am simply saying that they are apart of a market out there that benefits from trained product experts in the consumer electronics sales front.
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Agreed but not yet. We are a different generation. We are of one that is well involved with the technological changes of our society. These "product experts" aren't there for people like you and I who are going in to buy a product we've already spent countless hours doing research on. They're there for the older generation who still refers to a receiver as a stereo and is looking for a replacement remote control for their RCA tube tv.

Just because we are well versed with technology (as would be most of this ONLINE forum), doesn't mean we reflect the needs of the rest of the Canadian population.
Not really, working in the tech support industry you have no idea how clueless or dumb some of the ppl from our gen can be.

One of the most common questions I get is " What does a power cord looks like?" or " What does a power adapter look like?" or " I though my router/PVR/TV just turn on I don't know it needs power?!"
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Not really, working in the tech support industry you have no idea how clueless or dumb some of the ppl from our gen can be.

One of the most common questions I get is " What does a power cord looks like?" or " What does a power adapter look like?" or " I though my router/PVR/TV just turn on I don't know it needs power?!"
You've missed my point...
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Not really, working in the tech support industry you have no idea how clueless or dumb some of the ppl from our gen can be.

One of the most common questions I get is " What does a power cord looks like?" or " What does a power adapter look like?" or " I though my router/PVR/TV just turn on I don't know it needs power?!"
Well guess what. You're not going to get inquiries from people who already know what that shit looks like. Of COURSE you're going to get support calls for random trivial things because that's what it is. Tech **SUPPORT**.
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I have a giftcardA from FutureShop, giftcardB from Best Buy.

Anyone know if I can bring both in, and transfer the amount to a brand new giftcard C?
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