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Whether or not you believe people actually need more than 2 seats on a regular basis, the fact remains that the lack of actual seating for more than 2 people greatly restricts the potential market for the car.
I've driven a 2 seater as my sole vehicle for the past 2.5 years. It was fine at first, as I was hanging out with people that all had their own vehicle, but then I started hanging out with some friends that didn't.
With careful planning, I've avoided most conflicts by planning ahead of time and informing the friend that I can only drive one person. However, situations inevitably arise where the lack of seats ends up inconveniencing either yourself where you can't fit some stuff, or some other people and they would have to find their way home in the middle of the night, where it would have been on your way had you had an extra seat.
Caveat is, I was able to borrow both my brother's or mother's vehicle pretty often, which indeed have more than 2 seats.
It is actually quite a hassle, and I am sure a vast majority of the car buying public would not want to live with a 2 seater as an only vehicle.
On twists and turns and a track sure, but for daily driving I'm getting really sick of underpowered vehicles. And lets be honest, the vast majority of 86/Z/Genesis owners just use them as DD's.
Depends where/how you drive. And whether or not you are pissing off the people behind you, personally I couldn't give a flying fuck as $167 and 3 points is not worth appeasing the d-bag tailgating me but isn't smart enough to pass...
Personally, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets back in my N days - including losing my license - that I drive like a grandpa on the road now. For DD, you don't really need a whole lot of power to keep up with traffic... it's not like we live in Washington state where the highway traffic flow is like 120 km/h. Then again, I've only ever owned "slow" cars so that's just me.
Whether or not you believe people actually need more than 2 seats on a regular basis, the fact remains that the lack of actual seating for more than 2 people greatly restricts the potential market for the car.
I've driven a 2 seater as my sole vehicle for the past 2.5 years. It was fine at first, as I was hanging out with people that all had their own vehicle, but then I started hanging out with some friends that didn't.
With careful planning, I've avoided most conflicts by planning ahead of time and informing the friend that I can only drive one person. However, situations inevitably arise where the lack of seats ends up inconveniencing either yourself where you can't fit some stuff, or some other people and they would have to find their way home in the middle of the night, where it would have been on your way had you had an extra seat.
Caveat is, I was able to borrow both my brother's or mother's vehicle pretty often, which indeed have more than 2 seats.
It is actually quite a hassle, and I am sure a vast majority of the car buying public would not want to live with a 2 seater as an only vehicle.
Whether or not you believe it most people actually do NOT need more than 2 seat most of the time.
That's why Smart cars have only 2 seats and they actually did quite extensive research on that.
And if you're worried about passenger capacity, which is understandable, you probably shouldn't be looking for a sportscar. Maybe get an EVO or STi.
Most Ferrari and Lamborghini have 2 seats and they still sell like hot cake. Same with Miata, Elise, etc.
Most Ferrari and Lamborghini have 2 seats and they still sell like hot cake. Same with Miata, Elise, etc.
I really don't think people buying any of these types of cars are considering based on seating capacity.. They sell like hot cakes because they're directed at a specific market, but not the type of market that thinks "hmm I might have to drive my friends home on Friday night"
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I really don't think people buying any of these types of cars are considering based on seating capacity.. They sell like hot cakes because they're directed at a specific market, but not the type of market that thinks "hmm I might have to drive my friends home on Friday night"
So if you're a type of person who makes purchasing decision based on the car's capability to drive your friends around on Friday nights, then neither FRS/370Z is for you.
I'm just merely commenting on the fact that the vast majority of the population would not consider a 2 seater based purely on the fact that indeed, they have friends that they would like to drive around on Friday nights.
Yes, most people dont use the back seats 95% of the time. It's the 5% where you do need it that really annoys people.
But otherwise yea, sacrifices have to be made since Miatas are too good not to drive.. Though I'm considering getting a four door for back up duties.
The issue lies the price tag of $36K 2 seaters car that is being used for DD then seems waste of money, unless you have rich. If you finance or lease $36K its at least $600~700 per month commitment for like next 6~8 years. Majority of people who drive Smart car are single people who takes it too work. Who also rarely family. While for Lambo, 370Z isnt Lambo.
I sat down with the salesman and we read the email from Nissan to the dealerships with the new information on 2016 pricing. It was clear that it was added when you got to Touring and above only.
While an aftermarket LSD is certainly possible, it's not legal in the autocross classing I am interested in so unfortunately it's not an option.
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Pardon my ignorance of AutoX classing, but could you just pick up an OEM LSD from someone who upgraded theirs and put it in your base? It might take a little bit of time and patience but I'd imagine you could get one very cheaply.
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Yes, most people dont use the back seats 95% of the time. It's the 5% where you do need it that really annoys people.
I'll take the 5% annoyance so I can drive a better car the other 95%, but that's just me. If you have easy access to other vehicles (spouse, roommate, etc) then it's less of a problem. Or you could just get less needy friends
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Depends where/how you drive. And whether or not you are pissing off the people behind you, personally I couldn't give a flying fuck as $167 and 3 points is not worth appeasing the d-bag tailgating me but isn't smart enough to pass...
Personally, I've had my fair share of speeding tickets back in my N days - including losing my license - that I drive like a grandpa on the road now. For DD, you don't really need a whole lot of power to keep up with traffic... it's not like we live in Washington state where the highway traffic flow is like 120 km/h. Then again, I've only ever owned "slow" cars so that's just me.
I drive like a normal person but I don't like having to drop gears and take a bit of a run up just to pass someone on the highway or get up a hill. If you only ever drive on <80km/h roads it doesn't matter but on the highway it gets old fast.
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Pardon my ignorance of AutoX classing, but could you just pick up an OEM LSD from someone who upgraded theirs and put it in your base? It might take a little bit of time and patience but I'd imagine you could get one very cheaply.
It's possible but I would need to do an entire US "Sport Package" conversion, so would need SynchroRev, brakes, in addition to the LSD which would be a really expensive and not-worthwhile conversion. Doesn't really make a ton of sense but that's how the rules work.
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I'll take the 5% annoyance so I can drive a better car the other 95%, but that's just me. If you have easy access to other vehicles (spouse, roommate, etc) then it's less of a problem. Or you could just get less needy friends
yeah, why would you spend extra money or sacrifice what you really wanted just so that you can be a designated driver for your friends?
I know he's doing a favor for his friends by purchasing specifically to drive them around, but they can probably get a ride with somebody else or take a cab, which sure to be cheaper than buying a 4 door sedan.
If you're trying to win popularity by driving people around, sorry but that's not gonna happen. I would not want to be the one making a huge purchase and paying gas and all that to drive friends around.
If I wanna 370Z, I want a 370Z. Not 4 door sedans like Altima and Accord, or even Mustang and Camaro for that matter.
If I was rich and want a Ferrari, I'd get a Ferrari, not Mercedes S Class or Porsche Panamera.
On special occasion when you really need to haul people around, you can rent a car or use car share services.
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It's annoying for those unplanned times the extra seats would be so convenient - and it has nothing to do with driving friends around regularly - you could have family fly in or just want to go for a simple dinner with your family/friends in 1 car so it's more of a in the moment kind of thing.
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It's annoying for those unplanned times the extra seats would be so convenient - and it has nothing to do with driving friends around regularly - you could have family fly in or just want to go for a simple dinner with your family/friends in 1 car so it's more of a in the moment kind of thing.
lol, that comment reminded me of this video matt farah made..
It's annoying for those unplanned times the extra seats would be so convenient - and it has nothing to do with driving friends around regularly - you could have family fly in or just want to go for a simple dinner with your family/friends in 1 car so it's more of a in the moment kind of thing.
Again, we're humans and we all have brains. I'm sure we can come up with different solution.
Your family is visiting? Tell them to take Skytrain or use public transit. If that's not an option they can always take a cab. I see lots of cabs lined up at Airport.
You wanna go out for dinner with friends? Oh fuck just use 2 cars instead of 1, what's the big deal if you had to do it occasionally. You only hang out with friend who do not own a car? Then just tip in and use a cab. Chances are, your friend might own an SUV or something so you can get on their vehicle.
Either way, it's much cheaper than buying a car.
It's definitely a trade off, but I would be so much happier with Porsche 911, Acura NSX, Ferrari 360 than some 4 door sedan or something with lots of seats just so that you can haul your friends around every once in a while.
What you're telling me is that just because not having extra seats is going to cause you a mild inconvenience, you would rather spend your hard earned money(we're talking about multi thousand $) on a car something you don't even wanna drive.
Seriously, we're all spoiled in this era to the point we can't even put up with mild inconvenience of taking cab or transit so you would give up a car that you wanted and buy a vehicle that makes you a designated driver. Even in BC we have lots of people, families, single mom/dad, students, and all the other people without a car and they're living fine. You only have a 2 seater sportscar? Wow, what a big deal.
why is 4 vs 2 seats even being debated...I'm sure 95% of the owners of 2-seat sports cars has access to another car/truck that can haul more stuff/butts
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I sometimes regret getting a 4 door sedan because people always ask you for rides. Its so annoying, I wish I got a 2 door coupe which will be my next car. We also have a cheap POS caravan for the very rare occasion of driving relatives around. 90% of the time I drive alone anyways.
I sometimes regret getting a 4 door sedan because people always ask you for rides. Its so annoying, I wish I got a 2 door coupe which will be my next car. We also have a cheap POS caravan for the very rare occasion of driving relatives around. 90% of the time I drive alone anyways.
Yeah, imagine this scenario.
You met this hot girl at a party and she ask you for a ride. You're thinking "yes!" because it'll be your opportunity to be just you and her for a while and get to know eachother, talk, flirt or whatever.
Now this dude at party comes and "hey man, can I get a ride too?" and you can't really say no because you would look like an ass if you drive a 5 seater sedan, plus your intention will be very clear too.
Whereas if you have a 2 seater sportscar you have a pretty legitimate reason to say no.
You met this group of 7 hot chicks at a party and they ask you for a ride. You only have a 2 seater sportscar so you have to tell them you can only drive one of them.
And here's this dude comes and "hey ladies! I got a Cadillac Escalade I can take all of you." So this dude takes all the ladies and you have no ladies.
btw I was using this "picking up ladies" examples because I believe that's what most of you are/might be thinking. Let's face it seriously, who would spend huge chunk of hard earned money just to pick up your family from airport every once in a while? It's called a cab. And to drive your friends around? WTF?
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