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Old 05-17-2015, 09:54 AM   #26
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LOL

I changed my VPN password and forgot to tell my room mate and we got a copyright notice from Shaw about the company "Elegant Angel" and the file he downloaded with a direct link and login to pay for a settlement at https://www.copyrightsettlements.com/

LOLOL who the hell still downloads porn anyways?!
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alot of misinformation on revscense.

did my internship at cancopy.

-ISP do have to share your information to copyright holder if requested.
-copyright holder, CAN sue u (collective lawsuit) to make you pay for copyright infringement.
-Sweden or swiss (if i remember correctly,) has most lax copyright law.
-vpn services, do have to (by law-specially those from the US) have to keep logs (patriot act) of ip address : but i doubt that will be used to get info if u r just vetting copyright law)

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What about direct downloading instead of torrents?
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What about direct downloading instead of torrents?
Like off websites and newsgroups? Should be fine.
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yeah watch out. They might actually show up in your front door if you keep doing it.
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alot of misinformation on revscense.

did my internship at cancopy.

-ISP do have to share your information to copyright holder if requested.
-copyright holder, CAN sue u (collective lawsuit) to make you pay for copyright infringement.
-Sweden or swiss (if i remember correctly,) has most lax copyright law.
-vpn services, do have to (by law-specially those from the US) have to keep logs (patriot act) of ip address : but i doubt that will be used to get info if u r just vetting copyright law)
Any respectable privacy-orientated VPN provider use shared IP addresses with thousands of VPN users at any given time, which makes it nearly impossible to pinpoint which user is downloading what copyright materal with that suspected IP address (as data retention is not mandatory in the US).
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Like off websites and newsgroups? Should be fine.
No i mean off rapidgator/mega etcetcetc.
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No i mean off rapidgator/mega etcetcetc.
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They can try but you have to realise the copyright holder's payoff ratio and also your risk tolerance.

Whether they sue you or not or go to get your IP address is a probability, somewhere between >0 and 1.

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alot of misinformation on revscense.

did my internship at cancopy.

-ISP do have to share your information to copyright holder if requested.
yes and no, they only can supply the information with a approved court order, and not just willy nilly hand out peoples information

I find this to be like collection agencys before any legal action happens the company already spent a shit ton to sue you
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Any respectable privacy-orientated VPN provider use shared IP addresses with thousands of VPN users at any given time, which makes it nearly impossible to pinpoint which user is downloading what copyright materal with that suspected IP address (as data retention is not mandatory in the US).
thats what log servers are for. (syslog)

it doesn't matter how many thousand or millions ip address, they are, at any given time (from the time u log on -to- time u disconnect) u r given one ip, that is what , is logged. (ip (or port) translation address was provided) all the company needs what time the file was downloaded, and what incoming ip address was. (montreal based company is doing that for copyright holders)

and, the VPN company buys these block of ip address (meaning nobody on the internet can use that block (outside facing))

canadian companies and ISP, are required to keep log data for 6 months, and this is even more in the US due to FISA and patriot act.

anyways, max fine is $5000 first offence

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thats what log servers are for. (syslog)

u r given one ip, that is what , is logged. (ip (or port) translation address was provided) all the company needs what time the file was downloaded, and what incoming ip address was. (montreal based company is doing that for copyright holders)
Take PrivateInternetAccess VPN for instance, that ONE IP address that I am using (allegedly used for torrenting), is also used by thousands of other PIA users at the same time. How can they be certain that it's I that downloaded the copyrighted material? There's nothing from PIA nor the copyright holder can use to cross reference to me and suggest that it was I that downloaded it (this is with assumption that PIA DOES NOT retain data log, which they don't). PIA is an AMERICAN company, and in AMERICA, data retention is NOT REQUIRED.

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and, the VPN company buys these block of ip address (meaning nobody on the internet can use that block (outside facing))
Please look up how shared IP addresses work.

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canadian companies and ISP, are required to keep log data for 6 months, and this is even more in the US due to FISA and patriot act.
anyways, max fine is $5000 first offence
Most respectable privacy-orientated VPN companies do not operate in countries that have data retention law (for ex. Canada, Europe).

Also, if you're using a VPN, there's no reason to bring ISP into this subject, as ISP cannot see what I am doing on the internet when I am connected to my VPN.


....So much ignorance in this thread.

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if the copyrights owner do pursue legal action then the ISP will need to hand over customer info
And the legal cost for them to go through all these hassle is not worth it unless you are running a sever sharing a ton of copy right content. We have had companies who will try to bully their way into us releasing our customer info them the. We pretty much told them to fuck off or they can try to take legal action which none did anything other than to scare us lol.
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Maybe a dumb question and I use the VPN anyway, but curious if anyone knows if a real legal suit would be similar to getting a red light ticket without points on your license -- ie: they can't prove who was driving the car so to speak?

What if someone hacked my wireless router? What if I had guests over on wifi and they downloaded something without my consent? I think these laws are pretty toothless.
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Bottom line is: if all you're using your VPN service for is downloading movies, then studios have a million grannies and 12 year olds they can sue before they spend the time and effort to try to track you down for downloading their shit through a VPN.

Don't be a dumbass, spend the 6-7 bucks a month.
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alot of misinformation on revscense.

did my internship at cancopy.

-ISP do have to share your information to copyright holder if requested.
-copyright holder, CAN sue u (collective lawsuit) to make you pay for copyright infringement.
-Sweden or swiss (if i remember correctly,) has most lax copyright law.
-vpn services, do have to (by law-specially those from the US) have to keep logs (patriot act) of ip address : but i doubt that will be used to get info if u r just vetting copyright law)
and it seems like u have been misinformed, or at least ur wording is misinforming

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Shaw will not provide any information regarding customers' accounts to rights holders without a Canadian court order directing us to do so.
https://community.shaw.ca/docs/DOC-1848

again, unless the copyrights owner pursues legal action against u, they wont know a thing about u. all they know is xxx ip is downloading copyrights material and the ip belongs to shaw/telus/bell/rogers etc, and they contact that ISP to inform u. ISPs do not just hand over ur information to the copyrights owners if the copyrights owner just say xxx ip is downloading copyrighted material, they need to go through court first in order to get ur information
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So I decided to look further into this.

I got a 3rd email from this copyright@sjrb.ca .

This time they said I was illegally downloading the new movie Focus.

Funny thing is... I never downloaded it, I clicked on the link in torrent site, but never really attempted to dl it.

Max canadians can be fined for this kind of stuff is $5000 , and apparently, NO ONE has ever got sued unless you're some piratebay canadian boss.

So, I don't see the use of paying for VPN here.
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So I decided to look further into this.

I got a 3rd email from this copyright@sjrb.ca .

This time they said I was illegally downloading the new movie Focus.

Funny thing is... I never downloaded it, I clicked on the link in torrent site, but never really attempted to dl it.

Max canadians can be fined for this kind of stuff is $5000 , and apparently, NO ONE has ever got sued unless you're some piratebay canadian boss.

So, I don't see the use of paying for VPN here.
They're just waiting to collect enough copyright infringers from your ISP then file a class action lawsuit against all of you. It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN.

Read the article I posted about Teksavvy (about 5000 customers) being sued by a Hollywood studio for torrenting.

Don't be a cheapass! it only cost $4CAD/month for a good VPN.
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lol ive got like 15 of those emails over the past 3 years. I have a VPN, im just to lazy to sign in to fire it up :P


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I just got my 2nd email the other day, again for Game of Thrones episodes.

I rarely download stuff, and have never gotten these email before... that is until a few weeks ago when I got my first one, and now my second the other day.

I wasn't worried after getting the first one, as it was bound to happen at some point. But another one so soon after? Crap.
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ISP's now have to hand over your identity if the companies request it...but chances are SLIM that any major corporation will go after a single Canadian.

Reason is the max fine of $5000 is simply not worth it for these companies to hire a lawyer and take you to court. It'll probably cost them a lot more then $5000 just to take you to court.

I wouldn't worry about the notices. Some companies even use the notices as a way of generating income, they'll state in the notice to settle with them before they sue you which is complete BS, do not fall for it if you get a notice like that.
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or avoid all the IFS and WHAT CAN HAPPEN questions and have a peace of mind for paying $4CAD/mo. done deal. or don't download at all.

if you download, you know what the consequences are. these emails shouldn't come across to you as a surprise. you know it was illegal to begin with.

just because you've been doing it all these years and never got one before, doesn't mean you are safe. its like you always wear your seatbelt but nothing happens. so one day you decide not to, and something does. same concept.
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^ Exactly, I don't even understand why there's even a debate about this.

If you're torrenting copyrighted material, get a VPN! Otherwise, stop whining when you're served.
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i mean even if you were to cheap out and not pay $4/mo, and rather go buy coffee and donut with it, just skip one coffee and donut A MONTH. it won't kill you. however, cheaping out $4/mo and risk paying $5k instead, sounds like a no brainer to me.
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