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Story is here: Bryce Casavant, conservation officer, suspended for refusing to kill bear cubs - British Columbia - CBC News |
Now this bugs me for a lot of reasons, some obvious, but some not so much. Obviously he should be commended for his ability to think for himself, and not simply follow ridiculous orders. I would certainly never punish and employee if they refused to follow an order and ended up making the correct decision. The bigger concern I have is the severity of his punishment. You look at other prevalent cases of suspension in some other government organizations and it doesn't take long to see a big gap. I hate to do it, but RCMP and local police departments immediately come to mind. Over the years I have seen so many cases of RCMP members who have been relegated to desk duties, or suspended with pay, and I always ask myself "WOW he did that and still gets to go to work? I would have motherfucking fired his ass." I decided to dig up some cases: http://globalnews.ca/news/1450743/up...nded-with-pay/ Quote:
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My point is that how sad is this... That we allow all these bad officers who taint the name of all those who serve and protect us off basically scot free, and this poor dude who was just trying to do the right thing is suspended without pay indefinitely? This system is fucking ridiculous. |
In life, when you do the right thing or stand up for your moral convictions, you most likely will go broke or be punished If you go with the flow and promote increasing amounts of entropy or dominance of one form or another, you will get fat paid |
Spoken like the moral authority of revscene. Curtsey Quote:
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You sound like a girl who is angry over getting dumped after like 5 years and 20 pump and dumps later |
It's a messed up world/society we live in my friend. |
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Most of these types of organizations (RCMP, BCAS, etc.) are run in a paramilitary-like fashion and things like insubordination are treated severely. For the record, I'm not saying I agree with it. |
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But that raises a different issue. Does "Don't drink and drive" have to be a direct command from a superior in order for officers not to commit a crime? Like what every night before the PO's leave to go home, their commanding officer is supposed to come in and rally them all and tell them; "oh by the way guys, on your way home try not kill a bystander, run over a puppy, assault my grandma, or do any illegal drugs". Like come on man. There is no justification why not listening to an order should be treated more severely than BREAKING THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO EVERYONE. This is exactly why police shouldn't be allowed to police themselves, an authority needs to be set up which has oversight over the RCMP and Local detachments. You can't expect the RCMP to investigate WVPD, and vice versa when there is problems. |
Kudos to him. |
inb4 crowd funding to pay his wages. |
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yup, total bullshit. People move to where bears are. Then the bears look for food there, obviously. Then we shoot and kill the bears. Way to go humanity. As much as I understand the logic behind, it doesn't mean I like it or have to agree with it. It's like North Van even. People are like, "OMG, there's a bear in my yard!!" Well no shit, they were there long before you y0!. Why are you moving into bear territory then shocked when bears come around. |
Big fucking deal, black bears are not endangered. This article is fucked, all it does is play on the "cuddwy wuddwy" factor of baby bears. I can't imagine that the guy who issued the orders to shoot the bear would have made the decision arbitrarily. So what if this guy didn't shoot the bears, and then they grow up to terrorize and potentially harm humans in the future? Will this guy still deserve people calling him a "hero"? |
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And go back and actually read the article, the expert on bears (the place where the conservation officer took the bears), said that these two cubs are PERFECT candidates for rehabilitation and release. So obviously the person who made the call to kill them did make either an arbitrary decision, or a misinformed one. To punish an employee when he decided to do the right thing, and ended up making the correct decision is just idiotic. To further that if you read what I posted this issue raises a great concern about how governmental organizations run themselves. If this single action by this conservation officer is enough to deserve suspension without pay, do you still believe that a Police officer caught doing drugs, or driving drunk deserves the same punishment? I'd definitely argue not, doing drugs, or driving while impaired is a WAY WORSE crime than what this conservation officer did. So my question to you: Who's punishment is incorrect? is this guy's punishment too harsh, or is the punishment for PO's who act out too light? |
are conservation officers part of a union? maybe rcmp's union is stronger and protects them better? the article noted the baby bears went back to the same place to look for their mom :( does that pose a risk that they will continue to be in the area hoping their mom will return in that area? |
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They will be flown far away and reintroduced to the wild. The order probably came because the Mother bear was teaching her young to feed from easy food sources rather than getting it from the wild. If they already learned that humans are easy to get food from (this is probably the concern of the person whom gave the order) then they will likely be a risk later in life. However, giving them the chance to be looked over and find out for sure was the right call. If they were in fact compromised the Vet could put them down just as easily as the CO. Berz out. |
Lulz @ people's priorities. At the end of the day it's two bears, two. People were about to riot over spending 100k on yoga day, yet you're willing to spend 50k+ to save a couple Cubs? |
I love how people oversimplify wild animals as if relocating them is free and guarantees they'll live a problem free life off in the wild. If their mother never taught them how to get food properly or they're too young to do it themselves what are the odds they'll be alive a year from now? What's the budget like for things like this, is there plenty of money to relocate two large, non-endangered animals or is that going to impact the ability to help endangered animals later on? It's all well and good for some moron like Ricky Gervais to make demands based on ignorance, but here in the real world people need to think of the whole picture before throwing money at things. Quote:
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I get the response about the cubs, I couldn't care less about how people feel about them, but I would be way happier to spend 100k on those two cubs, rather than seeing crusty cunt and her saggy tits doing downward dog on some bridge. Regardless that's why I have been focusing more on the punishment of this conservation officer in relation to other vaguely similar suspensions. Quote:
B.C. RCMP officer investigated after violent arrest caught on tape - British Columbia - CBC News RCMP officer punches a helpless handcuffed kid in the head on video, and he was placed on desk duties while the investigation was completed. That's the norm that I have seen all the time, while an investigation occurs most officers are placed on desk duties or paid suspension. EDIT: Quote:
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I don't want 100k spent on two cubs, period. Hell, IMO 20k is too much tax money to try and rehabilitate and relocate them, especially if this is standard operating procedure. |
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FOCUS people, answer my big question: Do you believe that this guys deserves a harsher punishment than a police officer who drove while being drunk? |
In before David Booth files application to adopt said bears |
Let's see.. Minimum 2 CO's + to capture them, plus the time to set up a trap, check it daily, gas to drive to the location, equipment involved in relocation. Then either drive or fly them to some of the remote camps where they will go through MONTHS of rehabilitation and adaptation, the costs of food, staff, logistics, your guess After months to a year of rehab, once again tranquilize/sedate them, find a suitable location to relocate them, have numerous CO's once again drive/fly them to location, tag/track and release once again. I absolutely guarantee you the minimum in the administration costs alone through this procedure are no less than $20,000. If it is standard operating procedures to kill Cubs in this situation then comparing them to the joke Monty Robinson is irrelevant. |
Besides the point, there's dirt balls in chilliwack going and killing spring bears completely legally and dumping the meat in the garbage by the time they get home and people are concerned with two fucking Cubs because they think they are the reincarnation of Winnie the Pooh? Fuck |
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