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Old 08-06-2015, 11:48 AM   #1
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VANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) Starting October 5th, there will be one-zone fare on all buses, all day, every day.

Its part of the greater rollout of the beleaguered Compass Card program.

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This looks like it's on busses only, not SkyTrain.
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Makes sense given that you can't install tap-out barriers on buses. Also, faster travel with air conditioning (e.g. Skytrain) should command a higher cost.

This is long overdue and consistent with other transit systems in the world.
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inb4 someone says they will take the bus now to save money even though its a longer commute.

Then someone says time is money and they'll gladly pay higher costs for faster commute.

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inb4 Translink makes announcement Compass Card will be abolished for a more up-to-date system.
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This is TransLink's way of waving a white flag on the Compass Card.
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This is TransLink's way of waving a white flag on the Compass Card.
Wave the white flag? No, they'll get the government (read: taxpayers) to pour money into it.
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So what happens if you take the bus (and get a transfer) then need to take the train? You have to buy a new ticket or is the transfer still good? Sorry if stupid question but i'm not a frequent transit user.
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It is the bandaid solution that TransLink should have turned to much earlier. And on a practical level, this is the best temporary solution they can use. Still, it isn't going to win them any friends even though bus riders are getting a cheaper deal. At this point, TransLink's name is already so tarnished that anything short of perfection is still going to earn them a lot of hate and contempt.
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LOL.

I could only imagine if someone in the private sector utilized the translink method of operation.

"Yeah my multi-million dollar 10 Ton ore shovel stopped working, and I can't fix it, so I just gave the operator a pick axe and a hand shovel instead. Might slow down the process a bit, but whatever."

And then translink expects us to pay their CEO's and management as much as the private industry gets paid. Why the fuck would we when they suck a big fat dick.

Inb4 we have to pay them even more so they have incentive to do a good job.
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It is the bandaid solution that TransLink should have turned to much earlier. And on a practical level, this is the best temporary solution they can use.
100% agree with this. It's a good band aid solution that doesn't involve them throwing millions more into solving this problem like they have done already. Might as well take the millions you would have spent on fixing the Compass card issue towards increasing service to handle the possible increase in demand.

To be honest, I think the only real benefactors will probably be riders who have to travel 1-2 stops past the zone boundaries. Anything more than that would probably end up taking more time than it's worth.
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Makes sense given that you can't install tap-out barriers on buses. Also, faster travel with air conditioning (e.g. Skytrain) should command a higher cost.

This is long overdue and consistent with other transit systems in the world.
unsure what you mean by that. the compass machines located at the front and rear doors can be used to tap in and out.

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So what happens if you take the bus (and get a transfer) then need to take the train? You have to buy a new ticket or is the transfer still good? Sorry if stupid question but i'm not a frequent transit user.
if you are still within the zone, you shouldn't need to get a new ticket and the transfer you got is still good. zone rates still apply to the other modes. i would assume if you are going to switch over to skytrain and have to go into other zones than from where your transfer was issued, you would need to upgrade your fare.

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memo also states that it will eventually become a distance-based fare structure

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Makes sense given that you can't install tap-out barriers on buses. Also, faster travel with air conditioning (e.g. Skytrain) should command a higher cost.

This is long overdue and consistent with other transit systems in the world.
You don't need a physical barrier. On a functional tap out system, the theory would be that you'd tap out so they can charge you only for the distance you travelled and not the entire route. This financial incentive would be the reason why people would tap out, not that the doors won't open.
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Great. Now they've paid the contractor for a system that doesn't meet the original requirements (and prob even more $$ in trying to enhance the system to get it to work) AND we lose additional revenue in the process.

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They installed it, however they didn't anticipate the low coverage of cell towers causing latency or failing to complete transaction at a lot of their stops.

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unsure what you mean by that. the compass machines located at the front and rear doors can be used to tap in and out.
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You don't need a physical barrier. On a functional tap out system, the theory would be that you'd tap out so they can charge you only for the distance you travelled and not the entire route. This financial incentive would be the reason why people would tap out, not that the doors won't open.
exactly how it's done in Perth Australia on both buses and their metro system, works great. you forgot to tap on the way out and you get the charged the max for the day. so you better make sure you tap off.
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Why not board in the back and exit through the front. That way, no one will board and tap out to sit down.

Oh wait, its too dumb for us to do that.
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I would say because of safety? so at least the bus driver can dissuade drunk or potentially disruptive people from boarding in the first place?

Once a disruptive person board the bus, the bus driver have to disrupt everyone else on the bus's life to get the person off the bus.

Or are you suggesting having 2 staff on every bus?

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Oh wait, its too dumb for us to do that.

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It's not going to make much of a difference. Those who say they're going to ride the buses even though it's a longer commute to save money will eventually be riding the skytrain again. There's no way I'll be taking a 2 hour bus ride when it only takes me 45 minutes by bus and skytrain just to save a couple of bucks!
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This is long overdue and consistent with other transit systems in the world.
really? all the systems i've used charge by station (exact distance, you might say) - now that is the best idea. initial fixed cost and a variable cost.

going 1 stop is the same price as going 30 - that makes sense?
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