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Old 09-08-2015, 02:21 PM   #51
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i don't see why the focus is specifically on syrian refugees. i guess this is perpetuated by the same dumbass kony 2012 people, but off the top of my head i can name a shitload of countries with refugee crises currently

iraq, afghanistan, nigeria, ukraine, somalia, sudan, libya, mali, palestine

so what is canada supposed to let in all of these refugees?
Have you been watching the news?
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They do come in. There is a quota system.

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i don't see why the focus is specifically on syrian refugees. i guess this is perpetuated by the same dumbass kony 2012 people, but off the top of my head i can name a shitload of countries with refugee crises currently

iraq, afghanistan, nigeria, ukraine, somalia, sudan, libya, mali, palestine

so what is canada supposed to let in all of these refugees?
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Have you been watching the news?
and syria's refugee crisis is different in which way compared to the countries i listed?
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and syria's refugee crisis is different in which way compared to the countries i listed?
Yes it is.
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Yes it is.
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the refugees are escaping from islamic extermists. this is no different from any of the countries i listed except ukraine
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the refugees are escaping from islamic extermists. this is no different from any of the countries i listed except ukraine
Because they are not flooding Europe by the thousands, some washing up on shore dead. Also Palestine refugees where made refugees by the creation of Israel in 1948 and has nothing to do with Islamic extremists.
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Because they are not flooding Europe by the thousands, some washing up on shore dead. Also Palestine refugees where made refugees by the creation of Israel in 1948 and has nothing to do with Islamic extremists.
o really?
Refugee crisis: Where are all these people coming from and why? - World - News - The Independent

and i forgot i listed palestine

and anyways my point still stands. the world is facing a refugee crisis due to the middle east generally being a shithole, canada doesn't have a obligation to accept everyone
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How about you just sponsor the 20,000 refugee's then Manic.

For fucks sake, if it costs $60k/year to keep 1 person in prison, how much will it cost per refugee? I'm all for saving lives but that comes with a cost, and it's not a small cost.

Just think of;
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-Other social services (PTSD treatment, other mental illnesses)

All these bleeding hearts need to think about what they're saying. Bringing in all these people will raise our already inflated taxes, and reduce & limit our own social services. And I can guarantee that $5 from these bleeding hearts won't do shit.
there were lots of citizens in the 80's and 70's who left soviet bloc coutnries from eastern europe.

Go to Calgary and talk to cab drivers about it. They have good stories.

My parents fled Military Junta in the 70's from Greece and landed in Canada in 74 in Montreal (where I wish they stayed there haha).
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o really?
Refugee crisis: Where are all these people coming from and why? - World - News - The Independent

and i forgot i listed palestine

and anyways my point still stands. the world is facing a refugee crisis due to the middle east generally being a shithole, canada doesn't have a obligation to accept everyone
So why are we bombing then?
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Maybe we will. We having a hell of a time finding reliable workers.
Maybe if it happens to suit your own selfish needs?
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there were lots of citizens in the 80's and 70's who left soviet bloc coutnries from eastern europe.

Go to Calgary and talk to cab drivers about it. They have good stories.

My parents fled Military Junta in the 70's from Greece and landed in Canada in 74 in Montreal (where I wish they stayed there haha).
im sure the vast majority of those people came here by legitimate means.. as my grandparents did..

you know, going through like, the proper avenues, doing the proper paper work, applying to the right places?

But yea, in a world that is FAR less secure than it was 30-50 years ago, lets just let in thousands without proper means or documentation
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Maybe if it happens to suit your own selfish needs?
Giving people money for working is really selfish. Rather have them on government handouts right?
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So, what are people's thoughts about what Canada did for the Vietnamese in the 1970s? Or the Lebanese in the 1970s? Or Indians who lived in Uganda during Idi Amin? Why are the Syrians any different?
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well for starters, the 1st thing that came to my mind is the fact that vancouver is getting expensive period as compare to the past
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Honestly homeless is a more complicated problem than just a home. It requires mental health (which we had neglected for a few decades), social work and occupational therapists.

Most "homeless" get booted out of their place of shelter and become homeless usually because of addiction / behaviour infraction with rules of the place eg no drugs/ drinking. They cycle in and out of the shelters and places much like they do with jails. "housing the homeless" by itself doesn't do squat, except pissing off the neighbors and money down the drain. We need the support services together to keep them from being homeless, unfortunately I will analogize it to police services is usually needed for the few percent of the repeat offenders. Honestly can't do that without raising taxes and MSP premiums.

Homeless we are dealing with mentally ill / defective.. having to fend for yourself, living on the street and with drugs really f*cks people's mind up, I say they are always stuck in survival mode with no ability to care for others, much less obeying rules.. Refugees we are dealing with people who are fleeing war, more short term.

Here is an example I find striking.. When you talk to an homeless person, the conversation is very focused on the homeless person, his/her immediate needs, wants and whether you can satisfy them.. when you talk to a refugee, they worry about their families, the future..
Ans refugees are cheaper and or easier to deal with?
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I'm 100% for bringing Syrian refugees to Canada but putting them in the most expensive city in Canada? thats ridiculous.
quoted once again if yall didnt see this in the first page.. sigh the mayor creating publicity by using a crisis..
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im sure the vast majority of those people came here by legitimate means.. as my grandparents did..

you know, going through like, the proper avenues, doing the proper paper work, applying to the right places?

But yea, in a world that is FAR less secure than it was 30-50 years ago, lets just let in thousands without proper means or documentation
dude we were letting in CIS/eastern block people. Who could have been a spy or not? Who knows.

But we did have programs to bring them here.
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lol...so they don't care about themselves?
(maybe they're just eager to get to germany...btw, then its off to the UK)
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Hungarian authorities had refused to let them board trains to the west, and the migrants balked at going to processing centres, fearing they would be forced to live in Hungary.

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Mohammed, a 35-year-old Syrian man who was packing his belongings in the sunken plaza of Keleti train terminal and informing other migrants about the buses, said he was happy to be leaving Hungary.

"The situation is so ugly here and I want to send message to all Syrian people and all refugee people — do not come to Hungary," he said.

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Osama Morzar, 23, from Aleppo, Syria, was so determined not to be registered in Hungary that he removed his fingerprints with acid, holding up totally smooth finger pads to an Associated Press reporter as proof.

"The government of Hungary is very bad," said Morzar, who studied pharmacology at Aleppo's university. "The United Nations should help."
excerpts from this article Refugee crisis: Austria, Germany to grant passage to migrants from Hungary - World - CBC News


I don't get why Syrian refugees feel so entitled to live in the EU, and Germany especially... if my country was being torn to shreds I'd be happy to live ANYWHERE that had peace
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lol...so they don't care about themselves?
(maybe they're just eager to get to germany...btw, then its off to the UK)
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It's hard to sympathize with refugees that pick and choose where to go. Just find a place where bombs aren't dropping over your head. And throwing away water/food when provided to you out of the kindness of the government? disgusting.

So they only want Germany, Sweden, and UK. Sounds like a fucking vacation.

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And you wonder why they want to leave Hungry?

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Lol Manic reminds me of that guy trying to plug holes in a dam with his fingers

i have to wonder how much truth and what general percentage of these refugees are picking and choosing where they're going
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