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None of these politicians, here and aboard, want to address the massive security threat of allowing thousands of refugees into this country without the proper security screening.
True, how the hell do we know if Syrians we're bringing in had a criminal record or any hazards, disease, etc.

Even in Canada, 1 in every 8 Canadians have a criminal record. Bringing in 20,000 people from third world country without proper security check is a crazy talk. We need to make sure that our own citizens are safe first.
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Of course we should take Syrian refugees!!!

Why bother making an effort to help Canadians suffering from mental illness (IE: 90% of east hastings homeless) when we could spend money saving people from the other side of the world that may or may not offer a net benefit to Canadians.

Nothing like being internationally shamed for a refugee crisis you had no part in.

Don't think I'm ignorant to what's happening in Syria, I'm just not ignorant to the reality that accepting refugees does nothing to address the cause of the issues.
There are lots of people that will not get there shit together no matter how much money you spend on them. I have seen this first hand multiple times.

If we can bomb the them we should also help them. Immigrants and refugees have been a huge benefit to this country.
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There are lots of people that will not get there shit together no matter how much money you spend on them. I have seen this first hand multiple times.

If we can bomb the them we should also help them. Immigrants and refugees have been a huge benefit to this country.
yeah I heard that the government give crackheads $1,000 a month or something and they spend it all on coke in like 3 days.

I know refugees can be beneficial. Some poor immigrants, like Robert Herjavec turned into a huge asset in Canada.

But I don't know if Vancouver is ready at this very moment.. considering unemployment rate and how many homeless people are around and stuff.
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This thread gives me a headache.

Would you guys rather have Rob Ford as mayor, who harnessed a suburban revolt to systematically sabotage Toronto's urban infrastructure from adequately evolving and growing (thus finishing what Mike Harris started in the 90s, with the Ontario PC's "Common Sense Revolution")?

You can complain about how Gregor kowtows to condo developers, pushing cultural venues out of this town; as well as infantile NIMBY's who will never give up their dream of buying a single-family home in Vancouver, keeping the east side from properly densifying as a result. Hell, I'll join you.

But wanting to make the city a home for Syrian refugees is hardly the worst thing a mayor can do. Vancouver's thriving Vietnamese community emerged from the resettlement of Vietnamese refugees after the Vietnam War; and Vancouver and Burnaby also took in many Albanians who fled Serb-fuelled butchery in Kosovo in 1999. I hope other mayors, like Derek Corrigan and Linda Hepner, whose cities have more land, support plans to resettle Syrian refugees in their cities; but of course that will never happen. Corrigan won't do shit, Hepner is too busy dealing with Somali gangbangers killing each other, and Malcolm Brodie would get an earful from affluent the Mainland Chinese residents in Richmond.

This country was built on welcoming immigrants from all over the world, in search of a better life. In fact, there was a discussion in the Canadian politics community on Reddit about how the country is capable of accepting far more immigrants (not necessarily refugees), and could potentially support a population of 80-100 million by 2100 by carefully opening the floodgates for immigration. (For those upset at me, Statscan says that the maximum sustainable population in this country is just over 100 million.) Here's a link to the discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolit...arding/cn7iltf

If you want to live in a country that is suspicious of, or shuns, immigrants, America will welcome you with open arms, and Donald Trump will expect your vote as well.
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There are lots of people that will not get there shit together no matter how much money you spend on them. I have seen this first hand multiple times.

If we can bomb the them we should also help them. Immigrants and refugees have been a huge benefit to this country.
I knew you would fail my post, you're as liberal as they come. With regards to immigrants/refugees being a "huge benefit" to this country, we don't actually have the research/statistics to determine whether or not immigrants/refugees have provided a net benefit to Canadians. Though you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and that's all that is.

Oh, and btw, money isn't the only form of "help".

Am I suggesting that Canadians are innately better than immigrants/refugees? No, I'm certainly not.

Am I stating that I would prefer resources be applied domestically as opposed to the internationally? Yes I am.
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I knew you would fail my post, you're as liberal as they come. With regards to immigrants/refugees being a "huge benefit" to this country, we don't actually have the research/statistics to determine whether or not immigrants/refugees have provided a net benefit to Canadians. Though you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and that's all that is.

Oh, and btw, money isn't the only form of "help".

Am I suggesting that Canadians are innately better than immigrants/refugees? No, I'm certainly not.

Am I stating that I would prefer resources be applied domestically as opposed to the internationally? Yes I am.
And why don't we have the research/statistics? We have only been allowing immigrants into this country for 100's of years.

My opinion comes from first hand experience.
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They are too far away to make it here anyways. The refugees coming to Greece etc have the clothes on their back and that's about it.

If he's actually suggesting using vancouvers/BC's resources to enable them to come here then that's just insane.
hahaha yeah... wouldn't that just be absolutely insane?

oh wait...


Quebec-level insane.
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hahaha yeah... wouldn't that just be absolutely insane?

oh wait...

https://twitter.com/tanyabirkbeck/st...05623870304257

Quebec-level insane.
Federal approval? like Stephen Harper?
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hahaha yeah... wouldn't that just be absolutely insane?

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https://twitter.com/tanyabirkbeck/st...05623870304257

Quebec-level insane.
The same province which banned burkas and turbans now wants to bring over a plane full of Muslims?
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If that happens, I don't know who I should feel sorry for, Québécois or Syrians.
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In fact, there was a discussion in the Canadian politics community on Reddit about how the country is capable of accepting far more immigrants (not necessarily refugees), and could potentially support a population of 80-100 million by 2100 by carefully opening the floodgates for immigration. (For those upset at me, Statscan says that the maximum sustainable population in this country is just over 100 million.) Here's a link to the discussion: https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolit...arding/cn7iltf
how bout a fucking plague? I can hardly stand the population as it stands now.
your fucking logic is giving me a headache.

shut the fuck up and stay in reddit.
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And why don't we have the research/statistics? We have only been allowing immigrants into this country for 100's of years.
Said another way, if one immigrant/refugee murders a Canadian, and one immigrant/refugee goes on to become a doctor and saves hundreds of Canadians, is there a net benefit?

While we can assume that the murder would not have occurred if the immigrant/refugee was never permitted to enter the country, it is also reasonable to assume that another doctor would have been in place to save those hundreds of Canadians.

What I am saying is that it's virtually impossible to determine whether or not immigrants/refugees have offered a net benefit to the country. Never mind that the "data" collected to make this determination would probably be largely subjective.

But according to you, of course they have.

As a country we failed miserably with assimilating the first nations into western society, do you really think we can do much better with refugees from a war torn country? Perhaps visiting some of the Somalian pockets of the GTA would help you to understand the less attractive side of the equation.
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The same province which banned burkas and turbans now wants to bring over a plane full of Muslims?
They did not ban Turbans and Burka's. The government tried to do that and they where booted out of office.
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Said another way, if one immigrant/refugee murders a Canadian, and one immigrant/refugee goes on to become a doctor and saves hundreds of Canadians, is there a net benefit?

While we can assume that the murder would not have occurred if the immigrant/refugee was never permitted to enter the country, it is also reasonable to assume that another doctor would have been in place to save those hundreds of Canadians.

What I am saying is that it's virtually impossible to determine whether or not immigrants/refugees have offered a net benefit to the country. Never mind that the "data" collected to make this determination would probably be largely subjective.

But according to you, of course they have.

As a country we failed miserably with assimilating the first nations into western society, do you really think we can do much better with refugees from a war torn country? Perhaps visiting some of the Somalian pockets of the GTA would help you to understand the less attractive side of the equation.
Yes because the refugees want to be here and we did not steal there land and slaughter there people. It's not like we are going to have to teach these people to use forks and knifes or toilet paper.
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How about you just sponsor the 20,000 refugee's then Manic.

For fucks sake, if it costs $60k/year to keep 1 person in prison, how much will it cost per refugee? I'm all for saving lives but that comes with a cost, and it's not a small cost.

Just think of;
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-ESL (if they don't speak English)
-Medical/Dental
-Other social services (PTSD treatment, other mental illnesses)

All these bleeding hearts need to think about what they're saying. Bringing in all these people will raise our already inflated taxes, and reduce & limit our own social services. And I can guarantee that $5 from these bleeding hearts won't do shit.
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Yes because the refugees want to be here and we did not steal there land and slaughter there people. It's not like we are going to have to teach these people to use forks and knifes or toilet paper.


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Manic!, will you be sponsoring any refugees?

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There are a lot of misinformation in this thread.

I suggest those who want to or willing to know more to volunteer at one of the local organisations eg Welcome Home and see the situation in Vancouver first hand. Spend some time with refugees instead of relying on here say. Imagine walking a few metres in their shoes, how far they had traveled. Church groups are encouraged to sponsor 1 - 2 families.. that is saying 300 people sponsoring 2 families.. it is not even a huge number. No one is telling individuals to sponsor willy nilly. There is a process, you do know as a country, we are accepting refugees every day.

Sanctuary doesn't mean permanent housing, they are just given room to sleep and pretty much it. The refugees are required to find their way after a few months, 3 months I think. (Most of them move to more affordable areas like Surrey and Abbotsford). Also they usually take on crap jobs that virtually everyone on this board won't have the dignity to apply, cleaning toilets and kitchens, some of the better ones end up doing hair dressing etc.

As for the Syrians, the current exodus are usually higher income / better educated of the populace... the poor had died / left a while back and now it is the middle class that is taking the brunt and they have to leave.

I think the Reese Witherspoon's The Good Lie is a pretty good movie that depicts lives of refugees once they had resettled..

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how bout the mayor house the homeless first....
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how bout the mayor house the homeless first....
You want to live next to a homeless person?
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Honestly homeless is a more complicated problem than just a home. It requires mental health (which we had neglected for a few decades), social work and occupational therapists.

Most "homeless" get booted out of their place of shelter and become homeless usually because of addiction / behaviour infraction with rules of the place eg no drugs/ drinking. They cycle in and out of the shelters and places much like they do with jails. "housing the homeless" by itself doesn't do squat, except pissing off the neighbors and money down the drain. We need the support services together to keep them from being homeless, unfortunately I will analogize it to police services is usually needed for the few percent of the repeat offenders. Honestly can't do that without raising taxes and MSP premiums.

Homeless we are dealing with mentally ill / defective.. having to fend for yourself, living on the street and with drugs really f*cks people's mind up, I say they are always stuck in survival mode with no ability to care for others, much less obeying rules.. Refugees we are dealing with people who are fleeing war, more short term.

Here is an example I find striking.. When you talk to an homeless person, the conversation is very focused on the homeless person, his/her immediate needs, wants and whether you can satisfy them.. when you talk to a refugee, they worry about their families, the future..

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All i have to say about this is that...
Thank god we're not in Europe dealing with this shit.

I remember watching some interviews of refugees trying to get into Europe.
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"I really need to get out of Syria so that my 7 kids will have a future..."

or some shit along those lines...and i'm like, Jesus, the situation in your country sucks and all but SEVEN FUCKING KIDS?
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Thank god we're not in Europe dealing with this shit.

I remember watching some interviews of refugees trying to get into Europe.
Something went along like
"I really need to get out of Syria so that my 7 kids will have a future..."

or some shit along those lines...and i'm like, Jesus, the situation in your country sucks and all but SEVEN FUCKING KIDS?
It's really only gone down hill in the last few years.
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i don't see why the focus is specifically on syrian refugees. i guess this is perpetuated by the same dumbass kony 2012 people, but off the top of my head i can name a shitload of countries with refugee crises currently

iraq, afghanistan, nigeria, ukraine, somalia, sudan, libya, mali, palestine

so what is canada supposed to let in all of these refugees?
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