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"If you were a christian with a new baby, wouldn't the kindest, wisest thing be to kill them before they could ever sin, though it cost you your own soul?"
discuss.
I want christian views on this. for real. what is your answer? I'm not trolling.
When I read this, it blew my mind. but part of me feels like maybe I don't understand christians...
maybe their love for god and obeying gods command is priority above all of mankind, including themselves and their own children. god comes first, above all else. and his command is thou shall not kill.
but what if it guarantees your baby's seat in heaven? wouldn't it be the ultimate sacrifice? you definitely don't want them burning in hell for all of eternity... lol. but you're willing to take that place, if they get to go to heaven, cuz selflessness right? any parent would want better for their kids!!!
Kind of what stylinred said, except you also have to believe in Jesus and that he died for us.
The scenario ulic proposes sounds like something only the extremists would even think of. Even then, most of them would laugh at the idea.
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"If you were a christian with a new baby, wouldn't the kindest, wisest thing be to kill them before they could ever sin, though it cost you your own soul?"
What context and ass did you pull that statement from?
christian and other religion's logic is completely retarded. free will cannot logically coexist with an omnipotent/omniscient being so the whole "choosing to believe" point is completely moot
Somewhat OT, but I'm reading an interesting book right now by Bill Bryson, a short history of nearly everything. Gives some amazing perspectives regarding the timelines that living/"thinking" beings have been around prior to any sort of formal religions etc.
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A false dilemma. Catholics believe that all children are born with "original sin". Hence why babies are "baptized" to absolve them of that original sin.
Religious theologies, their fallacies, and other aspects of religion (not just Christian) are SO vast that they cannot be debated properly. Especially not on an internet forum filled with 14 year olds, and one that is atypically atheist as RS.
FWIW, I'm Christian - I was born and raised one, I went/go to church every Sunday, even when I wasn't old enough to even begin thinking about whether it makes sense or not. I'd like to think that I am old enough now to decide, but I still choose to go to Church, and stay fairly active in my faith.
The point of this long-ass post is not to promote debate on religion, but to try and explain why debate on this topic is unnecessary, and pretty much impossible.
Everything below is my personal opinion, gained from my experience as someone labeled "religious". I'm not a theologian, a pastor/priest, and my BELIEFS may go against someone else's; so read it with that in mind.
I don't really care for your opinion that my beliefs are based on fairy tales, that an omnipotent God removes all aspects of free will, etc. Those are beaten to death, a thousand times over. I still CHOOSE to believe, and I'll try and outline why. I wrote this out more as a rant - it's probably not very cohesive, nor well written - but it's something I wanted to write. Feel free to read for your insight on MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Spoilered for length:
Spoiler!
Sin, and redemption, is pretty much the biggest part of Christian theology. A vast majority (no percentile, again just personal notion) pretty much agree on the following: we all sin, and are born with sin, stemming from the whole Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve and snake, thing. Catholics call this Original Sin. Us Christians haven't given it a name (that I know of), but the premise is still the same. Believing in Jesus, accepting Him as Saviour, and believing that He died for us on the cross is the only and only way to absolve us. Rituals such as baptisms spawn from this belief. This point, essentially is Christianity. Anything varying is either cooked up by some cult leader, or has been heavily influenced by people.
So then, people ask, what about people that were never given a chance to even choose to believe? Are they all condemned to hell? Well, according to doctrine, apparently yes. It's shitty, and makes God look rather unfair - it's like some people were pre-selected to be "saved", while others were condemned from birth. This, logically of course, is a huge flaw in the concept of Christianity. But again, there's no real answer, and therefore, no real reason to debate it. Jesus asked his disciples to spread the word. Maybe we (as Christians) failed to do that, resulting in this condemnation of people who never got the chance. Maybe God has some other "backup" plan. Who knows.
The concept of "free will". This is another huge point of contention, and the majority of people that don't/refuse to believe say that they don't like the idea of having no control over their lives. I would agree. But my belief (again I stress, my belief) is that God has indeed given us free will. We can do whatever the hell we want, as long as we face the consequences. Any modern, civilized society follows the basic premise: you can say whatever you want, but if it's racist, you get in trouble. You can hit someone if you really want, but you'll get in trouble for that as well. God hasn't taken away free will from anyone. This is why even today we fight, have war, 'sin', whatever. But you'll have to face the consequences when you die. So what if you live life doing whatever the hell you want, and minutes before you die, you repent and say sorry - does that absolve you? Well, again, who knows? Maybe if it was sincere and heartfelt, God will accept this. Again, may seem a bit unfair, but maye God will reward those who lives a much better life with great things in heaven, while the jerk who repented at the last minute gets the bare minimum. Or maybe if He doesn't believe that the sorry was sincere, you're screwed. The "omnipotent" actually means something you know. If you approach this whole thing with a small amount of common sense (which some people will say is mutually exclusive from religion), things appear a bit more sensical. IMO anyway.
Are Christians all good people? Probably not. People are all greedy, self-intersted, etc. (original sin, cough cough). The point of Christianity is to try to live a good life, while also believing the first point of Jesus dying for us, etc. How many scandals has the Catholic church been involved in. How many pastors are in jail for stealing money from their church. How many people died because of Christian crusades for the sake of religion. The questions, rightfully deserved, are endless. And therefore a moot point. None of them have answers. There are good people who will never call themselves Christian, and shitty people who do call themselves Christian.
All in all, finding a balance is the key to MY faith. Some diehard Christians will call me blasphemous for interpreting faith to my own liking, but I'd like to think it's not up to them to judge me, it's up to the guy above. I pray before eating when I'm out with my friends who don't go to church, because they're cool with it. If I'm invited over to dinner at a Muslim household, I'll do it subtly so nobody knows, as to not be disrespectful. If God is going to get mad at me for that, then that's something I have to deal with. I have gay friends, and while I don't fully understand yet nor "condone" homosexuality, I am not going to stand in front of his house with a sign that says God hates Fags; they're still genuinely nice people. I read Harry Potter because it's a good book, not because I promote witchcraft and paganism.
I'd like to think the majority of Christians are like me, who are trying hard to find a balance between not being too liberal with faith, but also not becoming the next Westboro. And as I've said, there's no real right or wrong way. We have a book that was written 2000 years ago, written by people. Do I believe the things it says? Yes, because I believe that if things in it were all false, the omnipotent God would have done something about it. Can I prove it? No, of course not.
Speaking of the Bible, another hot point, here's my personal view, in case you've bothered to read this far: Do I believe the world is only a few thousand years old, refuting scientific evidence that it's 4 billion years old? No. I do believe God created it, as to me, the Big Bang theory is just as farfetched as an omnipotent being making it. Maybe the Bible skipped over a few hundred million years here and there. Maybe the "7 days" God took to create the universe was much longer, and 7 days is just a symbol. Did we evolve from monkeys, instead of coming down from Adam and Eve? I don't know. Maybe Adam and Eve were monkeys.
But all this is to just prove my original point. There's no real answer to any of the questions posed in this "debate of religions". You start bringing in other religions and their beliefs to the debate, and it becomes exponentially more complicated. And unproductive.
There's only one real way to find out, and that's going to happen when you're unable to post on RS. If there is truly a God, then I would have "won" while you guys have "lost"; if there isn't, then you would probably have had a bit more fun in life than I had. But consider the consequences, on the chance that us Christians were right. Of course, I don't believe in God "in case" he's real, but it's something to consider. Likewise, if you call yourself Christian, but live the most un-Christian life, and hope that just calling yourself one will give you a ticket to heave...well, good luck.
To answer, as a Christian, God, at least the one I like to think I believe in, has common sense. Being 'omnipotent' carries certain perks.
If some parents kill their child in the name of Christianity, I'm pretty sure God will shake his head - as for the outcome of the parties involved, there's absolutely no way to tell. Which is why there's no point on debating. For reason, click on spoiler button.
Anyway, long rant-ish post aside, your question is retarded.
"I want christian views on child killing". That's like saying "I want Canadian views on muslims being terrorists". Starting with a very provocative and extreme question, and pretending it's not a troll post - You're going to get such a large variety of answers, most of which will just lead to a huge flame war, instead of meaningful debate, and will almost surely elicit responses unfavourable to the point of the contention. Which I'm pretty sure is the very definition of trolling. If you're really interested in debating the topic of Christianity, call up a local church, ask to speak to a pastor about some questions you may have. Don't feign sincerity and ask questions clearly designed to draw ire and a shitstorm.
Religious theologies, their fallacies, and other aspects of religion (not just Christian) are SO vast that they cannot be debated properly. Especially not on an internet forum filled with 14 year olds, and one that is atypically atheist as RS.
FWIW, I'm Christian - I was born and raised one, I went/go to church every Sunday, even when I wasn't old enough to even begin thinking about whether it makes sense or not. I'd like to think that I am old enough now to decide, but I still choose to go to Church, and stay fairly active in my faith.
The point of this long-ass post is not to promote debate on religion, but to try and explain why debate on this topic is unnecessary, and pretty much impossible.
Everything below is my personal opinion, gained from my experience as someone labeled "religious". I'm not a theologian, a pastor/priest, and my BELIEFS may go against someone else's; so read it with that in mind.
I don't really care for your opinion that my beliefs are based on fairy tales, that an omnipotent God removes all aspects of free will, etc. Those are beaten to death, a thousand times over. I still CHOOSE to believe, and I'll try and outline why. I wrote this out more as a rant - it's probably not very cohesive, nor well written - but it's something I wanted to write. Feel free to read for your insight on MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Spoilered for length:
Spoiler!
Sin, and redemption, is pretty much the biggest part of Christian theology. A vast majority (no percentile, again just personal notion) pretty much agree on the following: we all sin, and are born with sin, stemming from the whole Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve and snake, thing. Catholics call this Original Sin. Us Christians haven't given it a name (that I know of), but the premise is still the same. Believing in Jesus, accepting Him as Saviour, and believing that He died for us on the cross is the only and only way to absolve us. Rituals such as baptisms spawn from this belief. This point, essentially is Christianity. Anything varying is either cooked up by some cult leader, or has been heavily influenced by people.
So then, people ask, what about people that were never given a chance to even choose to believe? Are they all condemned to hell? Well, according to doctrine, apparently yes. It's shitty, and makes God look rather unfair - it's like some people were pre-selected to be "saved", while others were condemned from birth. This, logically of course, is a huge flaw in the concept of Christianity. But again, there's no real answer, and therefore, no real reason to debate it. Jesus asked his disciples to spread the word. Maybe we (as Christians) failed to do that, resulting in this condemnation of people who never got the chance. Maybe God has some other "backup" plan. Who knows.
The concept of "free will". This is another huge point of contention, and the majority of people that don't/refuse to believe say that they don't like the idea of having no control over their lives. I would agree. But my belief (again I stress, my belief) is that God has indeed given us free will. We can do whatever the hell we want, as long as we face the consequences. Any modern, civilized society follows the basic premise: you can say whatever you want, but if it's racist, you get in trouble. You can hit someone if you really want, but you'll get in trouble for that as well. God hasn't taken away free will from anyone. This is why even today we fight, have war, 'sin', whatever. But you'll have to face the consequences when you die. So what if you live life doing whatever the hell you want, and minutes before you die, you repent and say sorry - does that absolve you? Well, again, who knows? Maybe if it was sincere and heartfelt, God will accept this. Again, may seem a bit unfair, but maye God will reward those who lives a much better life with great things in heaven, while the jerk who repented at the last minute gets the bare minimum. Or maybe if He doesn't believe that the sorry was sincere, you're screwed. The "omnipotent" actually means something you know. If you approach this whole thing with a small amount of common sense (which some people will say is mutually exclusive from religion), things appear a bit more sensical. IMO anyway.
Are Christians all good people? Probably not. People are all greedy, self-intersted, etc. (original sin, cough cough). The point of Christianity is to try to live a good life, while also believing the first point of Jesus dying for us, etc. How many scandals has the Catholic church been involved in. How many pastors are in jail for stealing money from their church. How many people died because of Christian crusades for the sake of religion. The questions, rightfully deserved, are endless. And therefore a moot point. None of them have answers. There are good people who will never call themselves Christian, and shitty people who do call themselves Christian.
All in all, finding a balance is the key to MY faith. Some diehard Christians will call me blasphemous for interpreting faith to my own liking, but I'd like to think it's not up to them to judge me, it's up to the guy above. I pray before eating when I'm out with my friends who don't go to church, because they're cool with it. If I'm invited over to dinner at a Muslim household, I'll do it subtly so nobody knows, as to not be disrespectful. If God is going to get mad at me for that, then that's something I have to deal with. I have gay friends, and while I don't fully understand yet nor "condone" homosexuality, I am not going to stand in front of his house with a sign that says God hates Fags; they're still genuinely nice people. I read Harry Potter because it's a good book, not because I promote witchcraft and paganism.
I'd like to think the majority of Christians are like me, who are trying hard to find a balance between not being too liberal with faith, but also not becoming the next Westboro. And as I've said, there's no real right or wrong way. We have a book that was written 2000 years ago, written by people. Do I believe the things it says? Yes, because I believe that if things in it were all false, the omnipotent God would have done something about it. Can I prove it? No, of course not.
Speaking of the Bible, another hot point, here's my personal view, in case you've bothered to read this far: Do I believe the world is only a few thousand years old, refuting scientific evidence that it's 4 billion years old? No. I do believe God created it, as to me, the Big Bang theory is just as farfetched as an omnipotent being making it. Maybe the Bible skipped over a few hundred million years here and there. Maybe the "7 days" God took to create the universe was much longer, and 7 days is just a symbol. Did we evolve from monkeys, instead of coming down from Adam and Eve? I don't know. Maybe Adam and Eve were monkeys.
But all this is to just prove my original point. There's no real answer to any of the questions posed in this "debate of religions". You start bringing in other religions and their beliefs to the debate, and it becomes exponentially more complicated. And unproductive.
There's only one real way to find out, and that's going to happen when you're unable to post on RS. If there is truly a God, then I would have "won" while you guys have "lost"; if there isn't, then you would probably have had a bit more fun in life than I had. But consider the consequences, on the chance that us Christians were right. Of course, I don't believe in God "in case" he's real, but it's something to consider. Likewise, if you call yourself Christian, but live the most un-Christian life, and hope that just calling yourself one will give you a ticket to heave...well, good luck.
To answer, as a Christian, God, at least the one I like to think I believe in, has common sense. Being 'omnipotent' carries certain perks.
If some parents kill their child in the name of Christianity, I'm pretty sure God will shake his head - as for the outcome of the parties involved, there's absolutely no way to tell. Which is why there's no point on debating. For reason, click on spoiler button.
Anyway, long rant-ish post aside, your question is retarded.
"I want christian views on child killing". That's like saying "I want Canadian views on muslims being terrorists". Starting with a very provocative and extreme question, and pretending it's not a troll post - You're going to get such a large variety of answers, most of which will just lead to a huge flame war, instead of meaningful debate, and will almost surely elicit responses unfavourable to the point of the contention. Which I'm pretty sure is the very definition of trolling. If you're really interested in debating the topic of Christianity, call up a local church, ask to speak to a pastor about some questions you may have. Don't feign sincerity and ask questions clearly designed to draw ire and a shitstorm.
Religious theologies, their fallacies, and other aspects of religion (not just Christian) are SO vast that they cannot be debated properly. Especially not on an internet forum filled with 14 year olds, and one that is atypically atheist as RS.
FWIW, I'm Christian - I was born and raised one, I went/go to church every Sunday, even when I wasn't old enough to even begin thinking about whether it makes sense or not. I'd like to think that I am old enough now to decide, but I still choose to go to Church, and stay fairly active in my faith.
The point of this long-ass post is not to promote debate on religion, but to try and explain why debate on this topic is unnecessary, and pretty much impossible.
Everything below is my personal opinion, gained from my experience as someone labeled "religious". I'm not a theologian, a pastor/priest, and my BELIEFS may go against someone else's; so read it with that in mind.
I don't really care for your opinion that my beliefs are based on fairy tales, that an omnipotent God removes all aspects of free will, etc. Those are beaten to death, a thousand times over. I still CHOOSE to believe, and I'll try and outline why. I wrote this out more as a rant - it's probably not very cohesive, nor well written - but it's something I wanted to write. Feel free to read for your insight on MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Spoilered for length:
Spoiler!
Sin, and redemption, is pretty much the biggest part of Christian theology. A vast majority (no percentile, again just personal notion) pretty much agree on the following: we all sin, and are born with sin, stemming from the whole Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve and snake, thing. Catholics call this Original Sin. Us Christians haven't given it a name (that I know of), but the premise is still the same. Believing in Jesus, accepting Him as Saviour, and believing that He died for us on the cross is the only and only way to absolve us. Rituals such as baptisms spawn from this belief. This point, essentially is Christianity. Anything varying is either cooked up by some cult leader, or has been heavily influenced by people.
So then, people ask, what about people that were never given a chance to even choose to believe? Are they all condemned to hell? Well, according to doctrine, apparently yes. It's shitty, and makes God look rather unfair - it's like some people were pre-selected to be "saved", while others were condemned from birth. This, logically of course, is a huge flaw in the concept of Christianity. But again, there's no real answer, and therefore, no real reason to debate it. Jesus asked his disciples to spread the word. Maybe we (as Christians) failed to do that, resulting in this condemnation of people who never got the chance. Maybe God has some other "backup" plan. Who knows.
The concept of "free will". This is another huge point of contention, and the majority of people that don't/refuse to believe say that they don't like the idea of having no control over their lives. I would agree. But my belief (again I stress, my belief) is that God has indeed given us free will. We can do whatever the hell we want, as long as we face the consequences. Any modern, civilized society follows the basic premise: you can say whatever you want, but if it's racist, you get in trouble. You can hit someone if you really want, but you'll get in trouble for that as well. God hasn't taken away free will from anyone. This is why even today we fight, have war, 'sin', whatever. But you'll have to face the consequences when you die. So what if you live life doing whatever the hell you want, and minutes before you die, you repent and say sorry - does that absolve you? Well, again, who knows? Maybe if it was sincere and heartfelt, God will accept this. Again, may seem a bit unfair, but maye God will reward those who lives a much better life with great things in heaven, while the jerk who repented at the last minute gets the bare minimum. Or maybe if He doesn't believe that the sorry was sincere, you're screwed. The "omnipotent" actually means something you know. If you approach this whole thing with a small amount of common sense (which some people will say is mutually exclusive from religion), things appear a bit more sensical. IMO anyway.
Are Christians all good people? Probably not. People are all greedy, self-intersted, etc. (original sin, cough cough). The point of Christianity is to try to live a good life, while also believing the first point of Jesus dying for us, etc. How many scandals has the Catholic church been involved in. How many pastors are in jail for stealing money from their church. How many people died because of Christian crusades for the sake of religion. The questions, rightfully deserved, are endless. And therefore a moot point. None of them have answers. There are good people who will never call themselves Christian, and shitty people who do call themselves Christian.
All in all, finding a balance is the key to MY faith. Some diehard Christians will call me blasphemous for interpreting faith to my own liking, but I'd like to think it's not up to them to judge me, it's up to the guy above. I pray before eating when I'm out with my friends who don't go to church, because they're cool with it. If I'm invited over to dinner at a Muslim household, I'll do it subtly so nobody knows, as to not be disrespectful. If God is going to get mad at me for that, then that's something I have to deal with. I have gay friends, and while I don't fully understand yet nor "condone" homosexuality, I am not going to stand in front of his house with a sign that says God hates Fags; they're still genuinely nice people. I read Harry Potter because it's a good book, not because I promote witchcraft and paganism.
I'd like to think the majority of Christians are like me, who are trying hard to find a balance between not being too liberal with faith, but also not becoming the next Westboro. And as I've said, there's no real right or wrong way. We have a book that was written 2000 years ago, written by people. Do I believe the things it says? Yes, because I believe that if things in it were all false, the omnipotent God would have done something about it. Can I prove it? No, of course not.
Speaking of the Bible, another hot point, here's my personal view, in case you've bothered to read this far: Do I believe the world is only a few thousand years old, refuting scientific evidence that it's 4 billion years old? No. I do believe God created it, as to me, the Big Bang theory is just as farfetched as an omnipotent being making it. Maybe the Bible skipped over a few hundred million years here and there. Maybe the "7 days" God took to create the universe was much longer, and 7 days is just a symbol. Did we evolve from monkeys, instead of coming down from Adam and Eve? I don't know. Maybe Adam and Eve were monkeys.
But all this is to just prove my original point. There's no real answer to any of the questions posed in this "debate of religions". You start bringing in other religions and their beliefs to the debate, and it becomes exponentially more complicated. And unproductive.
There's only one real way to find out, and that's going to happen when you're unable to post on RS. If there is truly a God, then I would have "won" while you guys have "lost"; if there isn't, then you would probably have had a bit more fun in life than I had. But consider the consequences, on the chance that us Christians were right. Of course, I don't believe in God "in case" he's real, but it's something to consider. Likewise, if you call yourself Christian, but live the most un-Christian life, and hope that just calling yourself one will give you a ticket to heave...well, good luck.
To answer, as a Christian, God, at least the one I like to think I believe in, has common sense. Being 'omnipotent' carries certain perks.
If some parents kill their child in the name of Christianity, I'm pretty sure God will shake his head - as for the outcome of the parties involved, there's absolutely no way to tell. Which is why there's no point on debating. For reason, click on spoiler button.
Anyway, long rant-ish post aside, your question is retarded.
"I want christian views on child killing". That's like saying "I want Canadian views on muslims being terrorists". Starting with a very provocative and extreme question, and pretending it's not a troll post - You're going to get such a large variety of answers, most of which will just lead to a huge flame war, instead of meaningful debate, and will almost surely elicit responses unfavourable to the point of the contention. Which I'm pretty sure is the very definition of trolling. If you're really interested in debating the topic of Christianity, call up a local church, ask to speak to a pastor about some questions you may have. Don't feign sincerity and ask questions clearly designed to draw ire and a shitstorm.
Amen, brother. I'm also a Christian. -will not give a long winded reply to OP's post because I do not have the time for it. The Lord wants me to focus on my work, instead of "multi tasking" on other things like RS.
This is my two cents about this thread. You can look at as parents rights over a child vs. God the Creator's rights over humanity.
I believe in God as the ultimate creator of ALL life, not just babies. I'm referring to the entire universe. He has the final say on the creation and destruction of life.
When I follow this belief, how can I agree that a parent would exercise the right to kill their own offspring, their own flesh and blood?
What kind of messed up parent thinks they can determine from their own ways, own plans, that they can secure a baby's entrance into Heaven with God?? I believe it is the sovereign Lord who decides who goes into Heaven after a death in this world.
God is love. If a parent truly loved God, and loved their children, they would protect their child's life insteading of ending it on their own terms.
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yep, he can, and then snap his fingers again to change the burrito so he can eat it, thus maintaining omnipotence. can he create something that he can't destroy? now there's a question
i'm not christian but i always find it amusing, that people like to think they can outsmart/outreason/explain/deny the notion of such a being, if one exists...the ego of man is huuuge
but that doesn't mean we should believe, it just means ultimately, we couldn't have a clue one way or another
Religion aside, seeing some of the crap that happens in this world, it makes me wonder if I was selfish to have kids...
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"If you were a christian with a new baby, wouldn't the kindest, wisest thing be to kill them before they could ever sin, though it cost you your own soul?"
discuss.
I want christian views on this. for real. what is your answer? I'm not trolling.
When I read this, it blew my mind. but part of me feels like maybe I don't understand christians...
maybe their love for god and obeying gods command is priority above all of mankind, including themselves and their own children. god comes first, above all else. and his command is thou shall not kill.
but what if it guarantees your baby's seat in heaven? wouldn't it be the ultimate sacrifice? you definitely don't want them burning in hell for all of eternity... lol. but you're willing to take that place, if they get to go to heaven, cuz selflessness right? any parent would want better for their kids!!!
or i guess not to have the baby at all lol.
What drugs do I have to be on for this to make sense?
And it isn't as if murder prevents you from going to heaven. The Bible is full of murder.
"If you were a christian with a new baby, wouldn't the kindest, wisest thing be to kill them before they could ever sin, though it cost you your own soul?"
discuss.
I want christian views on this. for real. what is your answer? I'm not trolling.
When I read this, it blew my mind. but part of me feels like maybe I don't understand christians...
maybe their love for god and obeying gods command is priority above all of mankind, including themselves and their own children. god comes first, above all else. and his command is thou shall not kill.
but what if it guarantees your baby's seat in heaven? wouldn't it be the ultimate sacrifice? you definitely don't want them burning in hell for all of eternity... lol. but you're willing to take that place, if they get to go to heaven, cuz selflessness right? any parent would want better for their kids!!!
or i guess not to have the baby at all lol.
Christianity:
Adam was the first sinner, hence the fall of man, and everyone from Adam (basically all humans) are sinners.
So killing your baby does not change the fact he/she is also a sinner.
I'm NOT going to post a long ass answer.
When someone falls asleep because you bore them with too much knowledge, you've failed. Here's a short version.
"If you're a parent, and knowing you'll give birth to a child who will crash your car, lie to you, go past your curfew, move out at 15, would you rather NOT have the child"
As a parent, you LOVE your child so much you want to give them
-free will to make any choices in life
-you want to love them unconditionally
-you will continue to love them (even if they go to jail / or arrested etc) than not having them at all.
I hope this make sense. It's the most simplest version example about God's love for his children.
Think of you adopting a dog, would you rather kill your dog knowing your dog will disobey you at times, run away, or pee on your shoes accidentally?
Regarding StylinRed's comment about go sin like crazy as long as you repent you can still go to heaven:
So YES, you know your parents will forgive you each time you lie, run away etc. As a GOOD child, you want to be honorable and that specifically is why you wouldn't want to do these things and want to obey the law, and get good marks etc.
What the fuck is this troll thread? I guess I shouldn't be surprised reading Ulic's responses in various threads in the past. The guy is clearly mentally challenged and I'd put him on par with CiC. I would definitely pay to see those two morons doing a live debate though.
Sometimes we tend to be in despair when the person we love leaves us, but the truth is, it's not our loss, but theirs, for they left the only person who couldn't give up on them.
Make the effort and take the risk..
"Do what you feel in your heart to be right- for you'll be criticized anyway. You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't." - Eleanor Roosevelt
I went up to a cute chick and asked her if she'd let me take a photo of her for $30 she slapped me, she said to me that "I AIN'T A WHORE!"
But other than that I have seen every car on display in DTP just by cruising about in Richmond, thank you very much for collecting them together and get someone to sing a cover for "fuck you".
OH FUCK YOU OH OH OOOOH~
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Originally Posted by Neva
wtf man? what the hell kind of women do you go for? spca is for animals not dates...
A better question would be if God asked you to kill your child like he asked of Abraham... Not knowing if you'll be stopped at the last second, would you do it?
Is it still a goal of the modern Christian to achieve this level of blind faith?
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