Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[JDMDreams]

^^ it doesn't seem that good, and we don't get anywhere near as good discounts as the us

[freakshow]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I'm sold on the auto pilot already, why do I have to drive myself like a peasant when the car can drive itself. I haven't really driven any other system, so I'm not sure if that's the best system.

I find AP very disappointing.. its more stressful driving with it than without it.. haha. It doesn't seem to slowdown at all on highway curves, and it doesn't automatically change your speed when you move from a 50 ->70 zone for example.. it's seems pretty elementary considering that tesla's are supposed to be close to fully driving themselves.

[G]

Haven't looked through this thread in detail but have a couple questions:

Anyone have any thoughts regarding buying used Tesla vs new Tesla? I heard there are some potential issues buying used relating to switching users that might change car extras or something?

Thoughts on financing with Tesla directly versus through banks or other mediums?

[JDMDreams]

I've looked at used too but since Tesla's hold their value so well it makes no sense. Ppl are asking like $45000 for a few year old model 3. Which is basically what they paid new minus the discount. And you have to figure out financing.

Tesla offered me 2.4% on a 96 mth loan. It doesn't make sense for me to buy used unless I take money from a home line of credit at lower than 2.4%

Also for model 3 and y they introduce heat pumps which gives you a more efficient hvac so you get more range than older models. 21 is a refresh year.

[Bender Unit]

Finally got my RAV4 PRIME XSE Tech pack today.
1 year 4 months wait since initial depoist
Happy to trade in my SUV for half PHEV

[VR6GTI]

96 months lol. Is that the new normal? Sounds horrible.

[JDMDreams]

Spent 3 hours at Tesla trying to deliver a car, still fixing defects exhausted

[Traum]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Spent 3 hours at Tesla trying to deliver a car, still fixing defects exhausted

Exhausted because of a car that has no exhaust. LOL~

(I do hope the issues will get sorted out soon and that you can finish the delivery soon.)

[freakshow]

Originally Posted by G

Anyone have any thoughts regarding buying used Tesla vs new Tesla?

I found that Tesla's prices on their site were often better than private/third party.. and you get the 1 year warranty. So to me, it was a no-brainer. We picked up our model X for less than any private or 3p dealer had at the time.

Most private Model 3 sellers are on crack. They post their cars higher than the ones right from Tesla.

Originally Posted by G

I heard there are some potential issues buying used relating to switching users that might change car extras or something?

The only issue that I know of is the if a car goes back through Tesla, there is a possibility that they change or remove options. For example, a car may have had unlimited supercharging, but after going through tesla, it gets removed.
This wouldn't be an issue in a private/3p sale. Although, to be fair, Tesla tells you exactly what the car comes with, so its not like you're paying for something and then it gets taken away from you.

[cdizzle]

Originally Posted by Bender Unit

Finally got my RAV4 PRIME XSE Tech pack today.
1 year 4 months wait since initial depoist
Happy to trade in my SUV for half PHEV

Congrats!
Coincidentally, I traded in for a Rav4 Hybrid Limited today at same dealership too

[JDMDreams]

Alright long post is long. This is a Tesla buying experience. Not my personal car but I was involved from test drive to picking up the car. Ordered mid Feb and just picked up the car yesterday. So about 3 weeks for a base 3.

Not sure how this compares so other brands but it's been years since I got a new car. It took like 6 hours to deliver the car. Had an appointment at noon, they looked pretty busy. Took about 30 min to inspect the car. Over all panel gaps is good. But lots of small issues. Lots of left over adhesive on the car from the protection wrap they said. Rub marks on the roof panel, they said it was from the black rubber gloves they use and it just leaves streaks in the headliner. One taillight had a chip in the plastic, passenger glass had a scratch on it, front bumper had a paint chip, and a gouge that can catch your fingernail. Bolts holding the hood on had paint flaking off exposing metal bolts.

Took a few hours to replace the glass, taillight. However really had to work them to swap a bumper, as originally the reps were just saying they would put touch up paint on, but the bumper was still gouged. Also when they replaced the glass they put a scratch on the wood trim on the dash. so at final inspection it was like 5 pm already and everyone was hella tired. They replaced the bumper but now there's scratches on the fog light lens. So basically we just put it on record to fix the dash and the fog light. Not sure if this will really be fixed in the future. Also they painted the bolts, but it looked like someone just brushed on some white out. As they painted on top of the flaking paint......

So not sure how to feel about this. Maybe it was cuz it was a Sunday and they were trying to rush things out. But I felt it was quite sloppy and caused more damage with every fix. I don't think I was being overly picky. The trim rubber pieces also have very rough excess molding on them.

I'm still on the fence when and what model to order as they say the bc grant money is running low.

[twitchyzero]

shouldn’t all this be done after pdi and before you come by?

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

shouldn’t all this be done after pdi and before you come by?

You would think, but this is fairly common among my Tesla-owning friends, and part of why I don't really want to buy a Tesla.

Most of them have had to come back a few times to the repair center to have delivery deficiencies taken care of...

[Traum]

Ugh, JDMDreams... I'm sorry you had to put up with that kind of crap... Experience like yours is why I am so hesitant on Tesla...

[Bender Unit]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I'm still on the fence when and what model to order as they say the bc grant money is running low.

For Tesla, only Model 3 SR qualifed for Federal & BC rebate.
since they removed Model Y SR

https://www.cevforbc.ca/sites/defaul...%20website.pdf

https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transpo...r-izev-program

[JDMDreams]

I'm wondering if they will continue to top up as no one will buy if there's no grant. O and the 3 I picked up is the newest build and it still doesn't have heated steering wheel which I really want.

[JSALES]

Are most of these issues usually only on the Tesla Model 3? Are these issues found on the Model X or Model S as well?

[GLOW]

someone shared a horror story of a Y everything from scratches to misalignment to grease stains, total nightmare

[Koflach]

I bought my 3 in September 2018 and my delivery experience was completely the opposite of yours JDMDreams. I think I was in and out in about 2 hours from when we first sat down. I bought a Long Range RWD 3 and there were no issues it. After the fact I did have them make an adjustment to one of the panel gaps but actual delivery experience was great.

One thing that they really need to do a better job on though is pre delivery inspections and to stop pressuring people to take the car when it is not up to standards.

However, Tesla is far from the only company with these issues. I worked for Middlegate Honda for a little while about 15+ years ago and remember delivering a Honda Fit to someone with what looked like a cigarette burn in the paint on the roof. As the car was so new in the market they took the car under the promise of getting it repaired. Not once did I ever have anyone question things like panel gaps there, it seems like people have really focused in on this issue with Tesla's but essentially ignore it on other brands.

[toyota86]

I had a few tesla vehicles come through the shop. They were all used units. The fit and finish, the build quality are quite poor on all of them. They didn't age well. Even on units that are supposedly accident free, there were paint drips, crooked bumpers, missing screws, under spray, loose trims. The interiors wore out quickly as well as lots of rattles. One was filled with sand. Apparently some plug or seal was missing or not sealing, dirt gets sucked into the car some how. On ones that needed repairs, parts took forever to arrive. There was one with a glitchy screen. Nothing I could do. The thing was a paperweight half the time. Teslas are not built like normal cars. It kind of resembles Lotus in its manufacturing and that's generally not a good thing. Makes you scratch your head on some of their engineering choices. As someone who likes build quality, redundancies, and fail safes, I wouldn't recommend a tesla. If you want an reliable, durable electric car, you really should wait for Honda or Toyota to build one. And the tesla cult is a real thing. Its scary how far they are willing to go to defend the brand and their messiah musk. Mirrors those belonging to the apple cult and or the RR Porsche cult.

[Euro7r]

The service and product itself is mediocre with Tesla. Would get better service buying a Honda/Toyota than Tesla. Buddy brother spent $90K for a brand new Y and when he went in on the day to take delivery, so many quality defects. It's supposed to be a brand "new" vehicle, it look like it was in used condition LOL.

[Y2K_o__o]

Originally Posted by G

Haven't looked through this thread in detail but have a couple questions:

Anyone have any thoughts regarding buying used Tesla vs new Tesla? I heard there are some potential issues buying used relating to switching users that might change car extras or something?

Thoughts on financing with Tesla directly versus through banks or other mediums?

Buy used unless they are much lower than new, but I found used tesla on craigslist / fb marketplace are more expensive than brand new...

Most used 2019 base 3 with about 30,000-50,000 km mileage are listed for like $45k or so.. if you buy brand new, you have the government incentive, 0 km, brand new interior, and warranty too...

[wing_woo]

Originally Posted by Bender Unit

Finally got my RAV4 PRIME XSE Tech pack today.
1 year 4 months wait since initial depoist
Happy to trade in my SUV for half PHEV

Nice. Congrats! This is what I wanted, but I just didn't want to wait over a year. Even the 3 months I waited to get my XSE Hybrid felt like forever...haha.

[JDMDreams]

I went and test drove a 2020 Outlander phev and it's not bad in terms of driving, doesn't feel under powered or sluggish as reviews say. More than enough for city driving, and you really have to floor it to get the gas engine to kick in. Also they already have a 2022 new Outlander at metro Mitsubishi. But no pricing and not allowed to test drive yet. I sat in it and it's a huge improvement over the current car.

[twitchyzero]

looks great (concept)