Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

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E99s+ "67" version

[EvoFire]

So as per the other thread, the X5 is most likely a write off and I'm starting to look for a new car.

I've narrowed it down to:

BMW X5 PHEV 45e/50e - just get another one
BMW iX 50/60 - Kids are older now, but I give up the split tail gate
Polestar 3 - It's $1000/m and only for a year

In a very distant 4th and 5th and 6th
Lucid Gravity Touring - I'm really not sure about beta testing for Lucid for a car that I need to just work
VW ID Buzz - 26k off nuff said - but the depreciation on this thing is going to be absolutely mental.
Rivan R1T - it's 145k for base + options and it really doesn't fit in my garage all that well.

But what am I overlooking?

[Traum]

I'd recommend against the Polestar 3 because even from just casually following it in a few social media groups, it seems like the vehicle isn't quite fully baked yet. It drives well when it works, but it also seems like enough owners have come across situations where the vehicle would just drop the ball one way or another. Sometimes it's just the smaller glitches. Other times it may much bigger stuff like not charging, door won't open, etc.

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

So as per the other thread, the X5 is most likely a write off and I'm starting to look for a new car.

I've narrowed it down to:

BMW X5 PHEV 45e/50e - just get another one
BMW iX 50/60 - Kids are older now, but I give up the split tail gate
Polestar 3 - It's $1000/m and only for a year

In your shoes, I would consider another 45e/50e or iX since that's been on your radar. Would you consider a Kia EV9?

[AstulzerRZD]

Heard the 50e is having battery pack issues and so is the EV9.

From what you’ve told me about road trip requirements, I suggest against EV9 because the trip planner and pre-conditioning is so bad that it’s unusable.

R1T suspension and steering are so alert that it’s annoying to drive for more than 20 minutes.

My preference if I were in your shoes would be iX > 45e > ID Buzz

[Badhobz]

Lucid air. 960 bucks a month. Good for 3 years lease and then return it and get something else.

For the same price: f150 lightening. Now when she smashes shit, the other person will be written off Bahahaha. Get it and rent to people who need a truck for a day. Turo can recoup cost quite quickly.

After all those warranty issues you still want another x5 ?!?? You’re nuts.

Get a RZ then. Aren’t they giving these pieces of shits away ?

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

So as per the other thread, the X5 is most likely a write off and I'm starting to look for a new car.

I've narrowed it down to:

BMW X5 PHEV 45e/50e - just get another one
BMW iX 50/60 - Kids are older now, but I give up the split tail gate
Polestar 3 - It's $1000/m and only for a year

In a very distant 4th and 5th and 6th
Lucid Gravity Touring - I'm really not sure about beta testing for Lucid for a car that I need to just work
VW ID Buzz - 26k off nuff said - but the depreciation on this thing is going to be absolutely mental.
Rivan R1T - it's 145k for base + options and it really doesn't fit in my garage all that well.

But what am I overlooking?

All terrible options. Be a real man and get this: https://www.facebook.com/share/1Gvsnbi2cK/

W12 Bentagya with less than 100k on it for less than 100k.

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

So as per the other thread, the X5 is most likely a write off and I'm starting to look for a new car.

I've narrowed it down to:

BMW X5 PHEV 45e/50e - just get another one
BMW iX 50/60 - Kids are older now, but I give up the split tail gate
Polestar 3 - It's $1000/m and only for a year

In a very distant 4th and 5th and 6th
Lucid Gravity Touring - I'm really not sure about beta testing for Lucid for a car that I need to just work
VW ID Buzz - 26k off nuff said - but the depreciation on this thing is going to be absolutely mental.
Rivan R1T - it's 145k for base + options and it really doesn't fit in my garage all that well.

But what am I overlooking?

If you are considering a German hybrid SUV, have you thought about Mercedes and Porsche?

Car and Driver ratings for best hybrid SUVs.

https://www.caranddriver.com/ranking...SAAEgInK_D_BwE

Best Hybrid Luxury SUVs:

2025 Porsche Cayenne Hybrid
9.5
/10

Car and Driver Rating

Best Compact Hybrid Luxury SUVs:

https://www.caranddriver.com/ranking...luxury-compact

https://www.caranddriver.com/mercede...c-class-hybrid

2025 Mercedes-Benz GLC350e Hybrid

8/10 Car and Driver Rating

[JDMDreams]

Yea didn't you say your x5 had a lot of problems, rx500h or the 7 other SUVs Lexus has or new Pathfinder, Infinity, q80

[68style]

Evofire loves going to the dealership for free coffee

[radeonboy]

Besides the transfer case, I agree with Evofire's assessment that the issues with his outgoing 45e were specific to the unit. I would chance another 45e with a good CarFax history, though none that I've come across come as loaded as his old one.

A Cayenne PHEV will only be more expensive to maintain, and the Lexus RX / TX PHEVs belong in a different category altogether.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Lucid air. 960 bucks a month. Good for 3 years lease and then return it and get something else.

I like the Lucid Air lease suggestion as well. The technical sophistication in Lucid vehicles is a whole other level over what Tesla can offer. A lot of smart engineers poured their blood and sweat into making that car. And at the lease prices they are asking for, it really seems like a bargain for the amount of tech and innovation you're getting.

[roastpuff]

The Air is a sedan, however, and that is far less convenient for a family with young kids vs. a SUV especially one with a split tailgate.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by radeonboy

and the Lexus RX / TX PHEVs belong in a different category altogether.

How so ? Same dimensions. If he gets the older v6 it’s infinitely more reliable than these BMWs. Don’t mention driving dynamics, nobody gives a shit about driving dynamics on their way to daycare and t&t

All the driving dynamics and tech didn’t save her ass from this accident so in the end it’s all moot. Get the most reliable and safe one.

[noclue]

I think evofire the type to change cars every 4 years so reliability is not a concern. Maybe I'm old fashioned with modern safety tech but I still think german cars are safer to be worth the occasional unreliability.

My recommendations not knowing his budget. Since you already experienced PHEV it's time to go full EV!
1. I love my iX, well built with great range. Used ones have depreciated nicely. The facelift one has better front seats and illuminated pig nose for the haters.
2. Model Y. Regardless of political beliefs, I think they are the best for under $70K.
3. VW Bangbus, since it's discounted $25K who cares for depreciation. Any other EV or luxury car will depreciates as much.
4. EQS450 SUV. Depreciated nicely as well but more problems than BMW. 2024+ have the heat pump.
5. Wait out for the ix3?
6. Hyundai/KIA EV9/Ioniq9 seems nice but I dunno if they fixed the ICCU yet.
7. Volvo XC90 plug in?

I dont recommend lucid as it's a sedan and still a startup EV. Plus ICBC deemed it a luxury car so you'll pay double insurance. Same goes for the Model X.

[Badhobz]

his choices are very much catered towards his wife. i cant blame him for that, it would be the same with my wife. As much as i wanna put her in a murano crosscab, i doubt that'll ever happen.

if shes okay with pig nose iX get her that. full EV would probably be less headache than your PHEV.

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

How so ? Same dimensions. If he gets the older v6 it’s infinitely more reliable than these BMWs. Don’t mention driving dynamics, nobody gives a shit about driving dynamics on their way to daycare and t&t

All the driving dynamics and tech didn’t save her ass from this accident so in the end it’s all moot. Get the most reliable and safe one.

I was mostly thinking from his wife's perspective where driving a Lexus is perceived as a downgrade

I'm also going by the experience of a friend's dad who went from the same X5 to a RX and regretted that decision - said the X5 was a much better car in terms of power, build quality, and creature comforts. His RX's dash also split and separated at the top seam area and didn't like how rough the engine was.

Even if his wife doesn't care about any of this, I imagine Evo still wants something at least interesting to drive during family duty.

[JDMDreams]

G63?

[EvoFire]

Wife likes Lexus, but liking vs living with are two separate things altogether. She'd get car sick just driving the Lexus and the reviewers are right, the Lexus system is miles behind iDrive, even with BMW's newest shit iteration on Android.

I would like the family car to not be a snooze fest yes, but wife is surprisingly in tune and picky with driving feel. We've shopped SUVs and sedans many times, she has a pretty good sense of what is a good driving car and what isn't. Back in the day we shopped sedans, 328, A4, C350, IS350. The C350 was struck out after 1 block of driving by her because in her words "The steering wheel feels bad" ie, lacking in feel.

Same deal when we drove the GLC350. 2 blocks in and she's like nope. It boiled down to X3, Q5 and Rav4. The Rav4 had better feel than the GLC.


I just came back from BJBMW. New iX 60 with options is $2000/m zero down at MSRP
New X5 50e is $2100/m zero down at MSRP. There's wiggle room on the iX as it's not affected by tariffs, zero wiggle room on the X5. He said realistically with what he can do the iX would be 1800/m on a fairly well optioned inventory.

So herein lies the problem, I can see us driving a X5 for quite some time, an iX I'd likely return after lease end. The promotion literature had the iX at 0.49% lease, but the problem is the residual is not as good so you end up paying a bigger portion of the price on lease. I'm not exactly thrilled with the thought of throwing 70k on a lease and then walking away with nothing.

The X5 is getting a $2600 price hike on Jan 1st, iX is unaffected as it's made in Germany.

BJ Used has a 2023 X5 45e asking for 82k. Fairly well optioned minus Bowers and Driving Assistance Pro. Not break it deals but they want a lot for the car.

I'm going to Polestar tmr and taking a look at the PS3 and see how the actual lease term shakes out. At 1000-1100/m I might just give them a chance. Anecdotes seem to be saying that a lot of the issues have been ironed out since the first PS2s in 2022. I don't actually know how the money works for them as the car is made in South Carolina and is subject to tariffs right now?

Also probably go to Lucid to kick tires again after. They said the Gravity Touring is 5-8 weeks out which shakes up to roughly when we will get the settlement from ICBC I think.

Either ways we have until April as we stole the inlaw's X1 for the time being. They aren't back from vacation until then.


As for the other suggestions.
iX3 is too small. Ditto the GLC
GLE is off the menu because wife doesn't like how Mercedes drive.
Cayenne PHEV - I shopped this against the X5 when we were looking for ours. The Cayenne is a little bit nicer in almost every way, except when you need it to do kids stuff. The trunk with tail gate is one of those things where you don't know what you are missing until you've tried it. It's also not 30% better than the X5 considering they cost 30-40% more.
I listed the VW bangbus because of how cheap it potentially could be. I brought it up 3 times already with the wife and she said no.
EV9.... Do I really trust Hyundai/Kia?
I don't like how Teslas drive. I've driven TM3 dual and TMY Performance. The seats also don't fit my butt, makes my legs numb whenever I sit in them for over 20mins.


I think best best best case scenario is a used 2023/24 X5 PHEV or iX50 popping up with the right options and the right price for us. We can literally jump in with minimal outlay after payout.

[pastarocket]

You are referring to this 2023 X5 45e at BJ:

https://www.bmw.ca/en/ssl/PreOwnedSe...l?v=6BF4F986ED

26000 KM

Dravit Grey
Merino leather

2023 X5 xDrive45e
Stock #: T211018A
All-Inclusive Price:
$83,540.00
View Price Breakdown
Selling Price
Vehicle Price $81,900.00
Sub Total $81,900.00
Fees
Sub Total $0.00
Retailer Fees & Options
Sub Total $1,640.00

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

You are referring to this 2023 X5 45e at BJ:

https://www.bmw.ca/en/ssl/PreOwnedSe...l?v=6BF4F986ED

26000 KM

Dravit Grey
Merino leather

2023 X5 xDrive45e
Stock #: T211018A
All-Inclusive Price:
$83,540.00
View Price Breakdown
Selling Price
Vehicle Price $81,900.00
Sub Total $81,900.00
Fees
Sub Total $0.00
Retailer Fees & Options
Sub Total $1,640.00

Yeah that one

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by radeonboy

I was mostly thinking from his wife's perspective where driving a Lexus is perceived as a downgrade

I'm also going by the experience of a friend's dad who went from the same X5 to a RX and regretted that decision - said the X5 was a much better car in terms of power, build quality, and creature comforts. His RX's dash also split and separated at the top seam area and didn't like how rough the engine was.

what gen of RX was this? how can you compare build quality when his now smooshed x5 literally had 48k worth of warranty repairs.

[AstulzerRZD]

I LOVE the lucid air but the owner reports for the gravity looks SO rough.
Lucid Gravity key fob ain't even working reliably....

[Badhobz]

How the fuck can she get car sick driving the Lexus RX ? No car in this modern day and age drives that poorly or that floaty. Utter bullshit. Go let her try it and don’t start shoving dumb ass ideas in her head.

Is she doing autocross at t&t ? I don’t understand how this crock of shit argument on dynamics has any relevance for the non enthusiast public. These people don’t give a fuck about chassis tuning. They don’t even know what are the drive wheels.

You sound like you wanna keep the car for long term. If that’s the case then why would you suffer some German or EV. Both brands are lease only vehicles. You lease. Return and lease again. It’s basically like a cellphone plan.

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

what gen of RX was this? how can you compare build quality when his now smooshed x5 literally had 48k worth of warranty repairs.

Fine, you win

Friend's RX was the current gen - two pieces of the dash separated similar to below. Think the whole dash ended up getting replaced.