Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Traum

I'm a little surprised that the Tesla charging infrastructure is that poor along the I5. I was under the impression that it was decent -- as in, sufficiently spaced out, although I expected each site to be busy in the sense that there are more cars in need of charging than there are available chargers.

idk I think there's enough stations especially if you don't limit yourself to NACS. Even if you do..

In Canada - BC Hydro, Shell Recharge, and MB started adding NACS.
The private chargers also all dropped prices to 36c CAD/kWh to compete with BC Hydro.

Stateside, superchargers are still the most common but..
Seattle City Light added NACS for 22-36c/kWh.
IONNA and Electric Era also have NACS for 40c/kWh.

[Badhobz]

That’s still some $$$$. It would be a helluva lot cheaper and easier if you were to just get a Prius and drive 1000kms on a single tank.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by SSM_DC5

6) ask RZD first if I should buy it cuz he will eliminate all the research I would have needed to do myself since he knows all.

Just buy the newest fastest charging car (Cayenne / iX3 / CLA / GM trucks or Escalade / Chinese shit) and forget the rest.
10-80% in under 15-20 minutes or bust and only charge at Electrify America, not TEsla.

Charge fast enough the cold weather, highway speed, headwind, pre-conditioning, whatever other bullshit doesn't matter.
My only argument against that is Lucids kinda charge shit and I've driven to NY <> Boston and back in the summer no charging, 700km.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

That’s still some $$$$. It would be a helluva lot cheaper and easier if you were to just get a Prius and drive 1000kms on a single tank.

Yes hybrid is cheaper esp where gas is cheap in the US
but then you're driving some slow noisy hybrid and ur wife/gf will complain if ur ripping it

I just eat the cost, rip an EV, and send the GF to pick some snacks while it charges

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by SSM_DC5

Hobz's rant seems pretty normal for a guy who did an impulse buy.

Things I've learned from this thread even though I won't be buying an EV any time soon because the upfront cost isn't worth it for the amount of kms I do per year.

1) not all cars charge the same even if you use the same level 1 2 3 4 5 6 whatever charge is offered. RZD has told us time and time again the different tiers of charging capabilities.
2) charging tech is all about the car itself, the telsa wiring you used is called some other dumb thing like EVSE because it's not technically a charger.
3) if you're not charging at home expect to pay rates similar to filling up a gas tank.
4) going far? Expect to plan your stops at chargers.
5) if you don't charge at home or free at work, don't buy an EV because doing it strictly in public is a chore that we don't need in our life.
6) ask RZD first if I should buy it cuz he will eliminate all the research I would have needed to do myself since he knows all.

^arent you just some cheap ass Guangdong hoarder guy who only crawls around the city ? The EV makes a shit ton of sense in the city and negative amounts of sense for long distances.

I finally understood why my buddy never road trips with his model X. I think he rather shoot himself in the face.

[JDMDreams]

There's Tesla charger at belis fair and another one further down at some casino around Bellingham?

[Badhobz]

Didn’t see it on my app when I looked.

I think it’s because the first generation and second gen Tesla stations are not able to charge this dumb subaarrrruuuu so it doesn’t even show up on my list of stations.

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Pricing. So the first time I charged it was 28 usd. I lost my shit and instantly joined elons club for idiots and that’s a 17 bucks a month membership. Apparently with the membership it’s cheaper.

Second charge was about 12 dollars usd. And 3rd charge back in Richmond was 10 dollars.

Total distance travelled. Around 430kms for the day. 28+12 =40 usd. Or almost 60 Canadian. Plus 10 bucks. Basically 70 Canadian which is roughly one tank of gas. But wayyy more hassle and lost an hour of my life doing stupid charging shit. Worst is getting up in the middle of dinner to move my car

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

Saying the bZ is terrible for road trips is like buying a GR86 and then griping that it's slow for the track. They're just built to particular price points.

I take exception to this statement because the GR86/BRZ is actually pretty fucking fast around a track in stock form.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

But my god, the whole charging shit is BS. never again will i take an EV on a road trip. Pointless extra work.
City car only, too and from work. Anything that requires more than 100km, im taking a gasoline car. How can a trip to seattle require 3 god damn stops for eletricity and basically an hour of your life waiting on a stupid car. In an ICE car thats at best 1 gas stop, 3 minutes, and youre good to go. No checking the app, no worrying about unplugging your shit, NOTHING.

Oh, hobzy hob, why on earth did you take the liberal pride to road trip?

A lot of people bitch about ev sucks or whatever, I can almost always guarantee that they drive something other than Tesla. Not all people I know who switched to ev liked the experience, but every person I know who switched to Tesla ended up buying more than one.

As a city car, any ev is the same imo. But if one’s buying ev as their main car, please for the love of god, don’t buy anything that’s not a Tesla.

Don’t listen to the shit aztulzer is feeding. Yes. They charge faster. But he never mention that the ux sucks on them for roadtrip. Most Tesla sc aren’t designed with other ev in mind. So you run into the problem that hobz is facing where he parks like ass to make it. Not to mention they are more expensive to charge. Tesla by default makes charging other EVs more $$$. Then the fact that al other carmakers just stuff humongous battery to hide the fact that their motor is inefficient as fuck. So you end up paying more to charge and not save a whole lot of time because you need more electron to flow through.

In the ev world, it’s still Tesla vs. others. By getting any ev that’s not Tesla, you are taking compromise to your experience. Pure city driving where one always charge at home, this is not a huge issue. Anything beyond that, those compromises would start to show its effects very quickly.

[red kryptonite]

time to cut your losses and buy cayenne ev with wireless charging

[AstulzerRZD]

Did you try new Escalade? I just got back from the Catskills mountains in one.

Sure. MBUX and Ioniq UX still sucks but GM is just as simple as Tesla - u put in the address to Google Maps (not the Tesla bs that doesn’t have police/waze data) and it does all the route calculations, pricing / payment, preconditioning, etc.

On efficiency - Tesla is amazing at it. Class leading in perfect condition. Soon as you add headwind/hill/cold weather you get stuck with inefficiency AND slow af charging.

I don’t care it sucks electron, I care that it works just as good in any condition and I don’t have to think about it. It’s an EV FFS, it’s not a s2k/430 where working around the car limitations is fun.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

Did you try new Escalade? I just got back from the Catskills mountains in one.

Sure. MBUX and Ioniq UX still sucks but GM is just as simple as Tesla - u put in the address to Google Maps (not the Tesla bs that doesn’t have police/waze data) and it does all the route calculations, pricing / payment, preconditioning, etc.

On efficiency - Tesla is amazing at it. Class leading in perfect condition. Soon as you add headwind/hill/cold weather you get stuck with inefficiency AND slow af charging.

I don’t care it sucks electron, I care that it works just as good in any condition and I don’t have to think about it. It’s an EV FFS, it’s not a s2k/430 where working around the car limitations is fun.

I agree on most parts. But again, the experience is just not the same. Tesla, assuming you stick to Tesla chargers, it’s just plug and charge.

Others, you need to check your app, your charger port location and how to fit in, pre conditioning (if such an option even exists).

Tesla made driving ev as easy as their ice counterparts, if not easier, but all the other EVs… I have yet encounter one that’s anywhere close to Tesla. And I’ve driven BMW, rivian, Porsche and Ford. All quite frustrating to say the least.

Now with fsd getting to the level it is today, other cars are all really primitive.

[AstulzerRZD]

That’s no longer true - even Toyota bZ has plug and charge now and all US charger's have to have credit card readers. Gone are the days of getting another app.

Current Porsche and BMW not great - will have to try Neue Klasse stuff when it released. So far GM is the only one where I hope in, punch in some shit, and it works good

I agree FSD has gotten really good

[Mikoyan]

Charging publicly is limited to 80% as the charging speed slows down between 80-100,. So it's to balance usage on site.

Also, if you're doing a roadtrip, charge to 100% before you go.

[twitchyzero]

that's the big problem with current EVs in our market

town roundabout daily is fine as with 40-60K vehicle

adequate range for road trip then suddenly the entry is 100K+

still have to keep a combustion car around; for sure spontaneous trips solely on electrons is just going to be asking for a lot of patience

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

It would be a helluva lot cheaper and easier if you were to just get a Prius and drive 1000kms on a single tank.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

but then you're driving some slow noisy hybrid and ur wife/gf will complain if ur ripping it

I raise you the BMW 540d/535d/X5 35d. Silent, fast, 1500km/tank ez.

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

There's Tesla charger at belis fair and another one further down at some casino around Bellingham?

Yeah at the Indian (first nations) casino. Been there with our gas cars.. while a friend with a Model 3 needed to charge lol

[underscore]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

that's the big problem with current EVs in our market

town roundabout daily is fine as with 40-60K vehicle

adequate range for road trip then suddenly the entry is 100K+

still have to keep a combustion car around; for sure spontaneous trips solely on electrons is just going to be asking for a lot of patience

Or just use the $40-60k you save with the city car to rent a gas vehicle for your road trips. Some friends of mine road trip in their Hyundai EV and they say they love it but it sounds like a lot of inconvenience and screwing around to get anywhere.

[SSM_DC5]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

^arent you just some cheap ass Guangdong hoarder guy who only crawls around the city ? The EV makes a shit ton of sense in the city and negative amounts of sense for long distances.

I finally understood why my buddy never road trips with his model X. I think he rather shoot himself in the face.

Why are you rewording what I already admitted to

I don't want to spend 40-60k for EV when I can just keep my sub 15k car and spend 25k in gas over the next 10 years crawling around the city.

[Badhobz]

Because at 530 bucks a month it’s significantly cheaper than your 15k ICE car. Just don’t road trip with it.

p.s. also your 15k hunk of trash is probably lacking in safety shit. If you had the modern day collision mitigation crap, or advance safety features its better for you and the family. If you care about keeping your little guangdong bastards alive that is...

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I take exception to this statement because the GR86/BRZ is actually pretty fucking fast around a track in stock form.

That's my point though!

You go to a track day and it's all GR86/BRZ. Are literally any of those people complaining they can't keep up with a Cayman GT4? No! They accept that they own the best value in track performance/$ that has existed in decades.

I'm just saying if you buy the hella bargain-deal Solterra/bZ, you can't complain it doesn't charge like a Taycan lol!

Originally Posted by underscore

Or just use the $40-60k you save with the city car to rent a gas vehicle for your road trips. Some friends of mine road trip in their Hyundai EV and they say they love it but it sounds like a lot of inconvenience and screwing around to get anywhere.

Tbh it is just where you are in your life, and the experience you're looking for.

Back in 2021, not long after my wife and I picked up our crazily discounted new $20k i3, we decided to go on a 1800 km road trip: SF -> LA -> Joshua Tree Park -> San Diego -> SF.

The i3 has 250 km of range, and charges at 50 kW. That's 3x slower than Hobz was dealing with.

Each charge of 200 km would take about 40 minutes. You can do the math on that for 1800 km lol.

We had a great time. This was before kids, and we really took our time to explore California, and take our time to eat and stretch between driving segments. Even better, was that we paid barely anything for fuel/charge: Electrify America was running a promo.

It's really about picking the right tool for the job. If the journey's not the destination. and you just really need to get somewhere, you have to choose a different car. At the time I also had my s2k and FJ. We would've had a great time in those too, but for different reasons.

edit: in hindsight, I would've spent the extra $4k for the optional range extender on the i3 though. i wouldn't mind having the extra flexibility.

[Badhobz]

i still dont think it matters if its a taycan or one of the ching chong EV's that has 800km of range (longer range equals longer charge times). its the whole experience of charging on a roadtrip is a total bitch.

- sitting in your car for 10-30 minutes is stupid.
- moving your car afterwards or else you'll get a penalty is stupid
- charging to 80% is incredibly stupid and forcing you to leave is stupid
- dealing with a wide variety of adapters, heads, and other idiocy related with EV's is autism condensed
- trying to squeeze out a few more kms by not limiting your electronic consumables is about as retarded as a hemorrhoid on a monkey

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looking at the price of the base RWD model Y, im pretty sure this month they'll roll out some incentives to get that thing under 50k (if its not there already when you head to the dealership). its quite competitive vs the bZ / Solterra and one would argue that its more "luxury" brand than a toyota / subaru. Range is similar, but then you gotta deal with elons stupid retardation of not having turn signal stalks, weird gear shifter via infotainment, and that insanely harsh ride.

I priced one out and even with the 5k fed discount its still $718 bucks a month on a 48 month lease.

[radeonboy]

Does your Solterra require you to manually initiate the charge via the tesla app at a supercharger, or is it like a Tesla where you can plug it in and it'll start charging automatically?

[Badhobz]

manually initiate the charge and manually stop it when it hits 80% or else face their congestion charge.

[bcrdukes]

I'm just catching up and while I can understand Badhobz's frustration of the EV owner experience, is this more of a learning curve and a bit of a habitual exercise that you just get used to over time? I'm not trying to victimize Badhobz but if I'm looking at it over a long term, I speculate the average EV owner would just get used to the experience.

I'm not advocating what's right or what's wrong, but Badhobz's experiences are legitimate learning curves. EV owners I know (not many of them) simply get used to it. I'm not sure this is an experience I am prepared to deal with for the immediate future.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

i still dont think it matters if its a taycan or one of the ching chong EV's that has 800km of range (longer range equals longer charge times). its the whole experience of charging on a roadtrip is a total bitch.

- sitting in your car for 10-30 minutes is stupid.

Putting gas in your car out in the cold will still take you 5 minutes, and I'd rather sit down or take a nap, because I'm old lol.

Do you not need at least a 10 minute pee break every 500 km of driving?!

Also for the 99% of your life when you're not road tripping, you don't even have to go to a gas station anymore. You just plug it in at work or home and go on with your day. All those detours and 5 minutes of standing there out in the cold/rain adds up over a lifetime!

Originally Posted by Badhobz

- moving your car afterwards or else you'll get a penalty is stupid
- charging to 80% is incredibly stupid and forcing you to leave is stupid

I still don't understand this one. I've literally never had to worry about paying a penalty in 8 years of owning EVs. Every EV I've owned has drastically slowed down charging after 80%, and it could be sitting there an hour before hitting 100%.

edit: just saw your comment on the congestion charge thing. sounds like a Tesla supercharger thing. never heard of that til now lol

Originally Posted by Badhobz

- dealing with a wide variety of adapters, heads, and other idiocy related with EV's is autism condensed

I don't like dealing with bums coming up to me for money at gas stations. I've also had the gas pump trigger get jammed and shoot gas everywhere as I ran screaming for the station attendant. You're gonna have to deal with something no matter what kinda car it is .

Originally Posted by Badhobz

- trying to squeeze out a few more kms by not limiting your electronic consumables is about as retarded as a hemorrhoid on a monkey

Why would you do that? That's like shutting off your AC because you don't want to waste gas. It is retarded so don't do it!