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Ulic Qel-Droma · 01-17-2016, 05:17 PM

you guys do know she'll get re-elected and do her 8 years... she'll fuck up somewhere, like they all do. the public will get sick of the green party, then the blue KMT party will come into power again.... and repeat.

like... that's how it goes. just back and forth... forever.

it's musical chairs, except they never take the chairs out.

ae101 · 01-17-2016, 07:52 PM

ya your right

green party won cuz the last 4 years of kmt wasnt really great, Ma wasnt bad but he wasnt really on point

also the candidates for the election was very weak, English Tsai (yes that's what i call her as ying wen means english) is the only one that looks decent and presentable in way

Tsai is from a wealthy family and she graduated from LSE (phD) and Cornell (law), while everyone else looked like weak

eric chu was ok but he kept wanting to save his feathers thinking that he get a better chance at the next election really pull him off his game for (not that he really had a chance to begin with)

68style · 01-17-2016, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero

yes I know some friends (who are also asian) trying to compare taiwan's case with quebec
i've also encountered ones who confuse taiwan with thailand

You need new friends dude

m4k4v4li · 01-17-2016, 11:54 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westph...phalian_system

Hehe · 01-18-2016, 04:41 AM

I think for those who don't understand, the thing of Taiwan and China is more similar to US and England at the time when US seek for independence.

Same ancestors? check, same language? check (to a certain extend... Taiwan's dominant language before the arrival of KMT was Taiwanese, a dialect derived from Min Nan/Fukien and/or Japanese due to Japanese occupation, but not mandarin), same ideology and value? hell no.

StylinRed · 01-18-2016, 05:11 AM

Formosa was always its own island, with it's own indigenous people, migrants from china/korea/japan came and went, some began to colonize/live with the natives, then when the KMT came around, they slaughtered a lllloooooottttt of people and took over the island, and forced the indigenous peoples to adopt Chinese surnames etc.

so, I don't really see Taiwan as China's, but it shouldn't be the KMT's either

SkinnyPupp · 01-18-2016, 07:56 AM

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Formosa was always its own island, with it's own indigenous people, migrants from china/korea/japan came and went, some began to colonize/live with the natives, then when the KMT came around, they slaughtered a lllloooooottttt of people and took over the island, and forced the indigenous peoples to adopt Chinese surnames etc.

so, I don't really see Taiwan as China's, but it shouldn't be the KMT's either

You can say that about any country that was colonized. Yes it's ugly when you look back, but it's not like you can just discount the place as a country now.

By your logic, Canada shouldn't exist as it does either; it should just be several bands of tribes.

StylinRed · 01-18-2016, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

You can say that about any country that was colonized. Yes it's ugly when you look back, but it's not like you can just discount the place as a country now.

By your logic, Canada shouldn't exist as it does either; it should just be several bands of tribes.

oh i can understand/accept the existence of Taiwan, but i still don't view it as 'their' country and so the indigenous people should have a major role or say in what happens with the country (they don't) Although, their takeover of Formosa, happened after WW2, where things like this shouldn't be happening any longer

same thing with Canada, but at least we try to provide some amount of special treatment to First Nations, albeit failingly so in many aspects, but we try

Traum · 01-18-2016, 09:14 AM

Dude, you do realize she is jailbait, right?

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Traum · 01-18-2016, 09:26 AM

The most important bit in this election is, in addition to Tsai being elected, the Green Camp has also won control of the parliament. This would really enable them to pass and carry out any policies that they wish to implement.

ae101 · 01-18-2016, 07:11 PM

^
thats a bad thing and u know it

Traum · 01-18-2016, 07:41 PM

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^
thats a bad thing and u know it

I don't have a crystal ball into the future, and at this point, I think it is really far too early to say that having both the presidency as well as controlling the parliament is a bad thing. Suffice to say that, without the 2/3 control that is required to amend the constitution, the ROC constitution cannot be easily changed, and that is certainly a good thing.

Also, Tsai is not Ah Bien, and she is far more worldly than Ah Bien as well. She doesn't really have any strong preferences for independence declaration (although she almost definitely views ROC as a sovereign country), so it is unlikely she will do anything to openly piss BJ off.

Lastly, I see a lot of good and strength in the Taiwanese youths. What is obvious is that these noble youths care deeply about their home country, and that they are not afraid to speak out as well as take action for the good of their home. If the Tsai government tries to do anything that the public deems to be against the good of the country, I trust that these youths will not remain silent at all.

asian_XL · 01-19-2016, 02:14 AM

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Dude, you do realize she is jailbait, right?

which one would you do? her or the president?

Verdasco · 01-19-2016, 08:20 AM

fuark she's 16? what will she be like in 3 years?

Hehe · 01-19-2016, 09:59 AM

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fuark she's 16? what will she be like in 3 years?

She'd be ready AND legal.

/offtopic

I'm considered a deep-green supporter, so I might be biased. But I really don't see how it's going "to be the same" as Taiwan under blue (KMT for those unaware) leadership.

Through the result of the election, Taiwanese people have shown that a closer tie with China is not what the general TW population want. Our believes and values have grown too far apart to seek for a peaceful unification of any sort.

Therefore, with DPP now in charge in both executive and legislative power, we can finally see Taiwan shifting toward a different direction. Does this guarantee a better outcome for Taiwanese? I don't know. But since the other approach didn't work out too well, trying another method, rather than sticking with the original one, should be a better option.

Now, I don't think DPP would simply go out and announce a formal independence. But I think it would instead start building ties with western-minded societies such as EU, US, Japan and so on... One clear example is how Tsai announced actively seeking TPP approval. Not sure how that would make China feel, but it's a different direction that KMT is taking.

Ulic Qel-Droma · 01-19-2016, 06:42 PM

bamboo triad run anything that's important anyway lol, and they're basically the KMT muscle.

DragonChi · 01-19-2016, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Verdasco

fuark she's 16? what will she be like in 3 years?

16 is legal in taiwan

beebob · 01-19-2016, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma

bamboo triad run anything that's important anyway lol, and they're basically the KMT muscle.

for real? I know KMT has some deep ties with bamboo triad, but didn't realize that is still true in the present. I am quite surprised because their former leader, Bai Lang, was running for legislator, but didn't even get 0.5% of the proportional representation votes considering how many people belong to the bamboo triad. If you could shed some more light on this, I am all ears.