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Old 06-14-2016, 06:16 PM   #1
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Why don't we have Chinese cars in USA/Canada?

Chinese cars are everywhere around the world.

China has approx. 150 car manufactures and some of them are becoming global car manufacture.

I'm talking about Chery, BYD, Geely, Brilliance and all the other ones.

You can buy Chinese cars in Australia, UK, Italy, Russia, China, Cambodia, Thailand, Philipins and everywhere else.

Initially, I thought that was because maybe they don't have enough technology to pass North American safety/emission standards, but if they can pass EU standards, I don't see why not.

Do you have any idea why? Because they might sell if the price is right.
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I test drove a new BYD 1.3L with 106 hp 4 cyl, full options with Navi retails for $9100. I've heard they all fail the crash test
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not all EU / EU spec cars can be sold here either so...
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just when you thought Gululu has created the most idiotic thread of the day, Timpo comes along and ups him one.

Because it probably costs too much to fit the cars up to north american standards and its not worth the investment. That's like asking why doesn't Toyota have all 20 models of their lineup in Canada

Who in the right mind would buy a Chinese car anyways? Chinese companies harm their own people for profit. You trust them enough to put your foreign lives in their hands?
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Gotta be crash test ratings. That and if sold worldwide they would actually have to comply with copyright laws
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Better question why don't we have the RS 6 in Canada.

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no one risk their life with chinese cars
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Because its probably difficult to enter the market due to regulations, interest (not known for performance nor durability), price.
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Because they're designed for petite Chinese people and not fat Americans.
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Probably because I'd feel more safe on a bike than in a Chinese car...
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even the Chinese car is perfectly safe on the road, the plastic inside the car is probably very toxic. The cushion might be made out of used hospital bloody cotton balls or the carpet could be made out of dead duck feather.
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"Chinese manufactures are not strong enough to compete in the mature market like North America and West Europe," says Boni Sa, an analyst and specialist in the Chinese market for IHS Automotive. "On one side, it's very hard for the models from Chinese OEMs to pass the strict emission and safety tests in Europe and North America. On another side, cars from China might be the last choice for the customers in North America and Europe." Landwind and Brilliance marketed their vehicles as cheaper alternatives to mainstream choices. But even an open-minded, bargain-hunting car buyer isn't willing to skimp on safety.

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IHS' Boni Sa also foresees the price advantage afforded by China's cheap labor costs as slipping away. "China's OEMs have grown a lot during the past few years. Chinese cars are becoming more modern, efficient and reliable. But due to globalization and alliances with other automakers, China's cost advantage is becoming weaker. Costs of raw materials and labor are growing fast in China...the appreciation of the renminbi [versus the U.S. dollar] will also weaken the cost advantage of cars made in China."

The demand for better wages and improved factory conditions has already impacted China's automotive workforce. Last summer, workers at a Honda factory went on strike for better pay and working conditions. Nearly 2,000 workers at the company's plant in Foshan, approximately 100 miles northwest of Hong Kong, participated in the labor movement. According to a report published by The New York Times, Honda's "Japanese employees in China are paid about 50 times what local Chinese workers receive."
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:52 PM   #16
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Plenty of Chinese made BYD K9 Electric public buses running in cities in Alberta and Ontario.

Also, L vin (chinese assembled) cars are sold here by volvo general motors and honda.
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I wouldn't attribute it to safety test standards. These are fairly easy to implement with good engineering. It is very easy to find published articles, look through patents and view various Government safety research reports.

When the Chinese manufacturers are ready to up their game this will simply be one of the necessary steps. At the speed at which Chinese companies are accustomed to, when they're ready this should happen rather quickly.

My assumption would be a few different things:

From a product strategy viewpoint, the North American market is relatively saturated. We're happy with available choices. Until the Chinese manufacturers offer competitive products there is no room for non-specialized new product offerings. (Specialized being something like Tesla).

North American consumers as a whole are wealthier. We can afford to spend on quality -- and we prove this everyday with our hard earned $$. Luxury brands across the spectrum are seeing significantly above average growth. If the Chinese want to compete on the bottom end, will their current products even be competitive with what's available on the used market?

Another thing is the unforgiving market. Screw up once here and that's it. Look how hard it was for Hyundai to reinvent themselves after their shoddy initial product quality in the 80s. It isn't worth it to enter a mature market with sub-par offerings. Launching a new brand with great products is a hell of a lot cheaper than launching a shit brand and spending advertising $$ on changing consumer perceptions.

The Chinese are simply not yet in a position (product quality/design/engineering expertise) to enter this market. I'm sure once it becomes feasible and meets their strategic goals, we'll be seeing Chinese products on this side of the pond. Just a matter of time.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:49 PM   #18
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Because we already have too much chinese people
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Because the ZioAmerican empire doesnt want to lose market to outsiders.
They pretty much have a monopoly on all cars sold here... Ford, Toyota to Volkswagen.
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FYI When Nissan initially started selling the 240 in the US they changed the name to Datsun for fears that it would be a flop. They didnt' want the 240's failure to affect the rest of the companies prospects in the NAamerican market.

It turned out to be a huge success. This led them to have a huge marketing campaign in the early-mid 80's from Datsun to Nissan

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Honda FIT and the small Buick SUV are built in China and sold in North America.
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I think you are confusing being built in China from being designed/engineered in China.
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The passengers are part of the crumple zone in those youtube crash test video.
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Better question why don't we have the RS 6 in Canada.

We actually MAY get an avant version RS car or a sportback RS5 next year, but no RS6.

The Quattro GmbH (RS) PREVIOUS division head, Heinz Hollerweger, at Neckarsulm, mentioned the RS4 avant "might" come to the USA (hence Canada).

In Audi terms, "might" probably means less than 20% chance.

The closest thing to a RS6 estate car might be in the form of a RS4 Avant (better than nothing) or a RS5 sportback.

The replacement Quattro GmbH head, Stephan Winkelmann (ex-CEO of Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A.), loves to drive sales a lot (like he did at Lamborghini), so hopefully....... RS4 (the A4 actually looks better than the new A5 which sucked balls--- tough words, but IMHO, it's true)!

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Because the ZioAmerican empire doesnt want to lose market to outsiders.
They pretty much have a monopoly on all cars sold here... Ford, Toyota to Volkswagen.
What about Jag and Range Rover. They are Indian owned.
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