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Old 02-27-2017, 10:06 AM   #26
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EJ257 is a ticking time bomb just waiting for the ringlands to fry. I mean even if you baby it and take great care of it anything could happen but that could happen to any car.

I went with the new FA20 engine just because of the EJ257 suspect reliability. My bros 2008 sti blew up twice first engine was not modified at blew up around 80km, 2nd engine was heavily modified blew up around 20km so hit or miss on the EJ
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You have to look REALLY close but in the bottom corner of the side covers you can see it is indeed cutout. So air is going in, possibly for brakes?
It's an opening for optional Fog light most likely. People will turn it into a brake duct though, I'm sure.
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I think the EJ engine unreliability is overstated. I'm sure we've all heard stories, but it's anecdotal. I had a Legacy Spec. B with 190K on it with no issues.

Subaru has been using the same engine with continual improvements since 1989. For a 2018 model engine, it has unacceptable gas consumption and power delivery (esp. compared to DI engines), but it still generates decent power. If anything, I wouldn't trust the new FA20 design yet because it's relatively unproven.
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^theres a wrx FA20 in the states that has over 150,000km read it on a facebook post that it was getting mods added to it.
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FA20 series being relatively new, it's hard to gauge at its reliability? Most of them probably are still under 100k miles in North America
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It's an opening for optional Fog light most likely. People will turn it into a brake duct though, I'm sure.
I'm actually in the market for a new car (looking at WRX and GTI) and have a friend that works at a subaru dealer. He showed me a basic spec sheet(no pricing) for 2018 WRX and STIs highlighting the differences and one of the items was "Front Bumper Air Intake" and it was only available on the STI. There's also a line for "LED Fog lights" which is a no for all STI's. so I guess i was wrong and it wasn't brake ducting. but who knows until its all released officially.

I promised i would not post a picture of the sheet anywhere as it was supposed to be dealer only info. a few tid bits of interesting information though is that, in canada at least, the new wrx with performance package will be branded as the WRX RS, eye sight will finally be available on the WRX, but only as an option on the WRX Sport Tech (nothing on the STI) and the back up camera display moves from the head unit up to the larger Multifunction Display for all WRX and STI models.
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will the eyesight be on the wrx 6speed? because I think it might be already on the wrx cvt if I am not mistaken. To me moving the back up camera has already been done in the 16-17 wrx models unless you are speaking of something totally different.
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I honestly don't think the EJ is going to be in the STi too much longer. Didn't the JDM STi have the 2.0L fitted into it in JDM land in 2017?

The gas mileage on the EJ is just horrendous by today's standards.
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I don't believe the 2.0 is in 2017 JDM STI they might have it ready in house for the 2020 model year sti when it finally gets debuted.
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Its the s207 STI that has the 2.0L engine. Not sure if it has the new FA20 motor though.
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will the eyesight be on the wrx 6speed? because I think it might be already on the wrx cvt if I am not mistaken. To me moving the back up camera has already been done in the 16-17 wrx models unless you are speaking of something totally different.
looks like its Sport-Tech CVT only. I think in the US they have Eye Sight on the WRX Limited but not in canada for some reason.

In 2015 the back up camera was on the 4.3" multifunction display. Then in 2016/2017 they moved it down to the head unit (6.2" or 7.0" depending on model) because of complaints that in the 2015 it was too hard to see.

For 2018, the multifunction display goes up in size to 5.9" and the back up camera gets moved back up to the multifunction display(according to the spec sheet).

Here's a picture of the new display from promo images. Although it's a big jump in size from the old MFD, it's wider and not necessarily that much taller so I'm not sure how good the visibility is going to be.




here's what the 2015 back up camera looked like


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yah I opted to get the 16' wrx due to the fact they pretty much changed everything in the second model year compared to the 15' I don't really get why they are moving it back up to the multifunction screen. The lower one on the info is way bigger and useful I would say.
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I honestly don't think the EJ is going to be in the STi too much longer. Didn't the JDM STi have the 2.0L fitted into it in JDM land in 2017?

The gas mileage on the EJ is just horrendous by today's standards.
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JDM STis always used the same EJ207 2.0L engine all these years, very similar to the EJ257 that is in use for NA spec STi but just 0.5L less displacement, and no STI has used the new FA motor yet.
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I mean Subaru probably has test out a FA25 in house for the new 2020 sti is what I am guessing.
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As a fan of the STI since its first debut here in 2004, don't buy one until they redesign it in 2020. The ej engine is a ticking time bomb which was partially an engineering oversight and Ringland is only a matter of time.

Back in 2009, I saved up all my pennies ready and willing to pull the trigger on my dream car only to have it come out as a hatchback only variant. If that wasn't enough, they changed the engine for the worse. You can do a quick search and see other people's problems with that specific line of engines. I refuse to invest in any EJ line.

Ended up buying an Evo which I never really wanted just because of Subaru's stupidity. Even in 2011 I traded in for another Evo even though Subaru came back to their senses by bringing back the sedan. Sadly they did nothing with the engine which meant no for me again.

If you have to buy a STI now, buy the old 04-06. They're much more reliable and more raw than what they offer now. Otherwise wait for the 2020. I don't recommend getting an Evo purely because it's a little too tail happy for rainy Vancouver streets. Sure on the track it gets you those ideal angles to make you turn faster than you could without the computers, but on the streets we have curbs and other cars and just maybe sliding the tail out is a bad idea should you take a turn too fast in a narrow lane. The Evo is a great car, but it never has that same feeling of stability/predictability that STI offers and I've driven a lot of evo/sti. To each their own, but I highly recommend you don't support such a flawed engine design either way. Do the right thing and boycott the EJ.

Subaru is aware of the problem, but refuses to admit it and is currently just fixing under warranty on a case by case basis as they have been doing since 2008. Don't say no one warned you if it happens to you one day.
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^exactly! I really don't get why Subaru has took this long to not fully upgrade the EJ engine for modern times. For example with the FA20 engine it has fuel injection and gets great gas mileage and way better torque in the lower RPMs. This is due to the fact it has a twin scroll turbo and what not. EJ you have to hit it up in the higher RPMs to get the most fun/power/torque. Obviously doing this you end up with shittier gas mileage but it is what it is. I don't know how Subaru can drag out this current face lifted STI with the same engine for another 2.5 years. To me it doesn't make sense and I would assume sales of the STI would take hit because of it.
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^ never mind, the north american version didn't exist til 2004 or so?
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as much as I love the STI, for the same coin. I'd take the much quicker, luxurious, and prettier M240i.
If 1 series sedan in Canada will release.i definately interested.i need 4drs.
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not so much 2.5L itself isn't reliable but there have been issues in the past specifically with the EJ257
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EJ257 is a ticking time bomb just waiting for the ringlands to fry. I mean even if you baby it and take great care of it anything could happen but that could happen to any car.

I went with the new FA20 engine just because of the EJ257 suspect reliability. My bros 2008 sti blew up twice first engine was not modified at blew up around 80km, 2nd engine was heavily modified blew up around 20km so hit or miss on the EJ
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Exactly. The EJ motor isn't a question of "if" but "when". I was dead set on getting a sti years ago but after researching on forums for a couple months I decided it wasn't for me. I ended up going with a evo (so yeah I'm biased) but I much prefer the body style of the sti.
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I think the EJ engine unreliability is overstated. I'm sure we've all heard stories, but it's anecdotal. I had a Legacy Spec. B with 190K on it with no issues.

Subaru has been using the same engine with continual improvements since 1989. For a 2018 model engine, it has unacceptable gas consumption and power delivery (esp. compared to DI engines), but it still generates decent power. If anything, I wouldn't trust the new FA20 design yet because it's relatively unproven.
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^exactly! I really don't get why Subaru has took this long to not fully upgrade the EJ engine for modern times. For example with the FA20 engine it has fuel injection and gets great gas mileage and way better torque in the lower RPMs. This is due to the fact it has a twin scroll turbo and what not. EJ you have to hit it up in the higher RPMs to get the most fun/power/torque. Obviously doing this you end up with shittier gas mileage but it is what it is. I don't know how Subaru can drag out this current face lifted STI with the same engine for another 2.5 years. To me it doesn't make sense and I would assume sales of the STI would take hit because of it.
The Truth Behind The Subaru EJ-Series Engines - Tech-Knowledge - Import Tuner Magazine
I took a few minutes to read that but not completely done.
There r 2 thing talk about the EJ engine have rod bearing n piston issue.looks like is easy to fix.any more of issue that it isn't listed?
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