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02-25-2017, 05:07 PM
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#1 | | Everyone wants a piece of R S...
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| 2018 WRX STI worth to buy?
im interested in latest gen. of WRX STI.was look around the site/forums about the 2018STI and they got some of tasty stuff like new 6 pots brake caliper,,recaro seat,led headlight,new bumper.......
but nothing to change for the engine.still using the 2.5l turbo engine that have been used for over 15yrs.
just wonder what u guys think?worth to try?im not people like change car frequency.my last car owned for almost 10yrs.
and there r many of other new car going to relase/released with new designed engine.like civic typeR,golfR,focus RS etc also tasty for me.
im newbie of subaru.would like to get more info. about this car.
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02-25-2017, 05:36 PM
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#2 | | WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB
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I am sort of in the same boat as you since I've always wanted an STI but since my car is still new-ish so I'm holding off until they put a new motor in it.
IMO, if you can wait for a few more years, I would just wait. If not, STIs hold their value very well. What car do you have currently?
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02-25-2017, 06:33 PM
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New engines always come with reliability uncertainty though, the 2.5 is a dinosaur yes, but also tried and tested to be reliable.
If you like the current gen looks then I say why wait, if you care about having the latest engine tech and stuff then wait for the new motor.
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02-25-2017, 06:57 PM
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#4 | | Everyone wants a piece of R S...
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Originally Posted by mb_ I am sort of in the same boat as you since I've always wanted an STI but since my car is still new-ish so I'm holding off until they put a new motor in it.
IMO, if you can wait for a few more years, I would just wait. If not, STIs hold their value very well. What car do you have currently? | I used to owned a 06 bmw for almost 10yrs.then sold it n leased mini cooper 4drs.and now i really need a bigger car. Quote:
Originally Posted by LP700-4 New engines always come with reliability uncertainty though, the 2.5 is a dinosaur yes, but also tried and tested to be reliable.
If you like the current gen looks then I say why wait, if you care about having the latest engine tech and stuff then wait for the new motor. | U got the point.  maybe y so many people still using the 2JZ engine.
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02-25-2017, 08:58 PM
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#5 | | I Will not Admit my Addiction to RS
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Personally since it's getting close to the release of the redesign I would hold out for the new one and if it sucks, buy the current one at a discount. Unless you need the car now, then I recommend Golf R.
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02-25-2017, 09:15 PM
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#6 | | I don't get it
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2.5L and reliable do not belong in the same sentence. Quote:
Originally Posted by LP700-4 New engines always come with reliability uncertainty though, the 2.5 is a dinosaur yes, but also tried and tested to be reliable.
If you like the current gen looks then I say why wait, if you care about having the latest engine tech and stuff then wait for the new motor. | | |
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Originally Posted by Digitalis 2.5L and reliable do not belong in the same sentence. | What are you talking about? Of course there are no ringland issues nor overboost / boost spike issues with the EJ257.  | 
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02-25-2017, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by noclue Personally since it's getting close to the release of the redesign I would hold out for the new one and if it sucks, buy the current one at a discount. Unless you need the car now, then I recommend Golf R. |
Golf R and keeping it long term (ie 10 years) should not be together... I will want to move to Euro's one day... but at that point, I would just lease and return... keeping them pass warranty is just asking for trouble.....
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02-25-2017, 10:57 PM
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#9 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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Subaru does not have to change the engine because it's still a good engine and it has been selling well for the last 15 years like you said.
Honda has been using the K series engine for 17 years.
GM has been using the LS series engine for 21 years.
There has been minor tweaks and updates, but yea, the basic platform stays the same.
I know what you mean though, if you're buying a brand new car, you would want to spend money on completely re-designed latest technology possible.
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02-26-2017, 12:52 AM
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I would wait for the 2020 sti with the new engine and this is coming from a 16' wrx owner. I went with the wrx because it has the new FA20 engine and didn't want to risk engine failure on the ej. New 2020 sti will have a modified FA engine in it so that will help with longevity.
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02-26-2017, 02:32 PM
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I'm in the same boat, currently wanting a STI.
in Japan which engine does the STI get? is it the a 2.0L DI motor?
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02-26-2017, 03:27 PM
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#12 | | Fanboy
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Originally Posted by ah gon im interested in latest gen. of WRX STI.was look around the site/forums about the 2018STI and they got some of tasty stuff like new 6 pots brake caliper,,recaro seat,led headlight,new bumper.......
but nothing to change for the engine.still using the 2.5l turbo engine that have been used for over 15yrs.
just wonder what u guys think?worth to try?im not people like change car frequency.my last car owned for almost 10yrs.
and there r many of other new car going to relase/released with new designed engine.like civic typeR,golfR,focus RS etc also tasty for me.
im newbie of subaru.would like to get more info. about this car. |
Last December I was in the same situation.
Always wanted an STI, but was on the fence about waiting until they refresh the engine. As covered in this thread, the new engine will not show for quite some time.
I ordered and got my 2017 STI in August, and I enjoy every time I drive the car.
Advice: Buy a car you want, so you won't regret "Oh shit, should have bought the STI.
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02-26-2017, 03:27 PM
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If you like the STi, then yes, it's worth buying new.
Used STi prices are ridiculous...I think there is some sort of premium going for the old bodystyle. The 2015+ STis are really not going for much more than the last generation.
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02-26-2017, 03:50 PM
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#14 | | Everyone wants a piece of R S...
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Originally Posted by noclue Personally since it's getting close to the release of the redesign I would hold out for the new one and if it sucks, buy the current one at a discount. Unless you need the car now, then I recommend Golf R. | Still long time for me to wait till their redesign(maybe 2020)or they will not even change.haha Quote:
Originally Posted by dark0821 Golf R and keeping it long term (ie 10 years) should not be together... I will want to move to Euro's one day... but at that point, I would just lease and return... keeping them pass warranty is just asking for trouble..... | I think depend on model.my old BMW e90 325i.owned it for almost 10yrs.nothing wrong with the engine with 150K km when I sold it.except I replaced the water pump for preveative failures(since those r electronic water pump).but of course u won't know which one is reliable when the car has new engine Quote:
Originally Posted by Timpo Subaru does not have to change the engine because it's still a good engine and it has been selling well for the last 15 years like you said.
Honda has been using the K series engine for 17 years.
GM has been using the LS series engine for 21 years.
There has been minor tweaks and updates, but yea, the basic platform stays the same.
I know what you mean though, if you're buying a brand new car, you would want to spend money on completely re-designed latest technology possible. | Yes Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabatron I would wait for the 2020 sti with the new engine and this is coming from a 16' wrx owner. I went with the wrx because it has the new FA20 engine and didn't want to risk engine failure on the ej. New 2020 sti will have a modified FA engine in it so that will help with longevity. | 2020 is long time for me. Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalize I'm in the same boat, currently wanting a STI.
in Japan which engine does the STI get? is it the a 2.0L DI motor? | I think is the same? Quote:
Originally Posted by invader Last December I was in the same situation.
Always wanted an STI, but was on the fence about waiting until they refresh the engine. As covered in this thread, the new engine will not show for quite some time.
I ordered and got my 2017 STI in August, and I enjoy every time I drive the car.
Advice: Buy a car you want, so you won't regret "Oh shit, should have bought the STI. | Quote:
Originally Posted by heleu If you like the STi, then yes, it's worth buying new.
Used STi prices are ridiculous...I think there is some sort of premium going for the old bodystyle. The 2015+ STis are really not going for much more than the last generation. | Agree
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02-26-2017, 04:27 PM
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#15 | | Trollollolloing RS sine 2005
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Originally Posted by Kalize I'm in the same boat, currently wanting a STI.
in Japan which engine does the STI get? is it the a 2.0L DI motor? | still the same EJ207 from GC era STIs until now, with different turbo varients
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02-26-2017, 05:14 PM
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The fact that people are asking for $30k on 08's that are coming up on a decade is insane but also partly why I decided to pick up a 2011 recently. I figure the depreciation over the next 4 years is going to be pretty minimal/affordable.
I also considered buying a new and waiting for the 2018 as the price difference is not that significant when you factor in the financing. Doesn't make sense to go with a 2017 now that they've already announced all the upgrades for 2018, I'd rather wait half a year for the 2018MY. If they sold a wagon/hatch for the current one I wouldn't have even considered used.
On paper the car hasn't changed much but the new chassis is definitely a lot stiffer, even compared to the 08-13. The interior on the 2015+ is finally ...acceptable? and the steering is better than the GR/GV IMO. If you are streeting the car, I don't see the engine as being unreliable but it is pretty bad on gas even when you are granny shifting.
The Golf R was what I had my eyes set on last year but I don't know how well the car would hold up to track use. The DSG is awesome and that engine AFAIK is pretty well sorted out so if you are looking for a fun daily I would honestly go that direction, it's just a much nicer car overall and IMO more fun on the street. The 30% gas savings is not insignificant either and the price point is very fair. In US the Focus RS is actually a bit cheaper than the Golf R, whereas here the Golf starts at about $7k less.
The RS may have been a logical choice stepping up from the Fiesta ST for me, but I think it's too hardcore on the street and I don't know how well it would really hold up on track. In Motor Trend's test the brakes were on fire after a 2 minute run in the twisties, which has basically been my experience in the Fiesta with brake torque vectoring. Also I think $50k is steep for it, more than double what I paid for my Fiesta but not double the car.
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as much as I love the STI, for the same coin. I'd take the much quicker, luxurious, and prettier M240i.
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On paper the car hasn't changed much but the new chassis is definitely a lot stiffer, even compared to the 08-13. The interior on the 2015+ is finally ...acceptable? and the steering is better than the GR/GV IMO. If you are streeting the car, I don't see the engine as being unreliable but it is pretty bad on gas even when you are granny shifting.
.. . | A 2015+ steering rack is a direct swap into your 2011.
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Originally Posted by Digitalis 2.5L and reliable do not belong in the same sentence. | I guess if you and others have had bad experiences with the 2.5 then I stand corrected. I've heard about ringland issues but thought it was only for the older STIs or heavily modded/tuned ones
From what I knew and my friend's cars completely stock and daily driven its just been no problems at all.
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02-26-2017, 09:11 PM
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#20 | | What hasn't Killed me, has made me more tolerant of RS!
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In my opinion, the 2018 STi is not worth buying as it still too similar to the 2015-2017... A disappointment if you were to compare it to the competition.
The 6 pot brakes are nice but overkill for a 300hp car? A 4 pot caliper is more than enough and will outperform the 6 pot with the right aftermarket pads.
The new bumper looks good - The two openings on the bottom of each side look good but they dont seem functional? I would have liked it more if it actually allowed air to go in rather than look like covers -.-
I would save the money and go with a 2015-2017 sport tech and get a nicer aftermarket seat than that oem Recaro the 2018 has. You would also have a couple more years of warranty left as well going with a 2015-2017. And then just sell it when the next sti with the revised engine comes out.
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You have to look REALLY close but in the bottom corner of the side covers you can see it is indeed cutout. So air is going in, possibly for brakes? 
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#22 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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Originally Posted by Digitalis 2.5L and reliable do not belong in the same sentence. | why? so how many L is reliable?
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#23 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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Originally Posted by Timpo why? so how many L is reliable? | not so much 2.5L itself isn't reliable but there have been issues in the past specifically with the EJ257
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EJ257 is a ticking time bomb just waiting for the ringlands to fry. I mean even if you baby it and take great care of it anything could happen but that could happen to any car.
I went with the new FA20 engine just because of the EJ257 suspect reliability. My bros 2008 sti blew up twice first engine was not modified at blew up around 80km, 2nd engine was heavily modified blew up around 20km so hit or miss on the EJ
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