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Traffic is always an issue that's why city hall is trying jam public transit down our throats. But it just won't work. The way BC is design car comes first. Unless the gov is willing to spend hundred of billions of dollars to totally redesign the whole transit system as well as build a ton of skytrains nothing is going to change. I mean my god if you want to take transit to whistler or even grouse grind good luck. Other cities have buses that takes people to popular attractions like these (like every 30mins or so). Yes transit will be losing money in the short term but if they can improve the public transit half as good as HK,China,Japan,singapore,south korea people are going to start using transit rather than driving. As of right now unless you live near a skytrain station and your work place is also near a skytrain station public transit is basically useless to you. |
Even though I drive, I take the bus every time I go to grouse. It's faster and I can have a couple beers when I'm done riding. Also, it's 18 bucks to take a bus from hotel Vancouver to whistler. It's not public transit, but whistler isn't Vancouver. This city is far easier to take transit in than people who have never looked into it believe. There are certain work/live combinations that are near impossible with transit, but that's also near impossible to alleviate. |
i never took the bus growing up, in my entire lifetime i've probably taken the bus under 30 times, i fucking hate the bus/public transit. Also growing up where i did in Surrey public transit was pretty useless as it would take 45 minutes just to get to the skytrain whereas you could drive there in around 15 My wife however grew up in East Van and did not get her license until a few years after we met, and now living in Vancouver, i can see why. If you know the bus system or look up a route planner you can pretty much get anywhere relatively quickly. As Westopher said, there are a few different busses that are direct lines to places like grouse mountain etc. If you know where to go and which bus to catch it's a pretty decent system seemingly from an non-user like myself at least lol |
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Traffic increase probably due to all the tradesmen building homes/condos in North and West Van. Lower and upper roads there start plugging up at 3pm until 6pm. It's nuts. |
At least once all those homes are built and no one is living in them traffic will calm down. |
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And that's where the issue is. Is too expensive to live in Vancouver/Burnaby and Tri cities, Detla, Port Coq, Port Moody, Surrey, Langley is all catching up in terms of housing but still affordable. But the lack of public transit means people have no choice by the drive to work, into the cities. So the only way the city can do in short term is to build high raise around skytrain station but good luck trying to get on one during rush hour. A lot of the stations is already running at capacity or close to it(Just take the Canada Line as an example is already running at capacity if not over capacity during the rush hour. Short sight by the city to only use 2 cart skytrain and with little to no room to expand the stations.) This won't last long (10 years at most) and the skytrain system isn't going to handle the capacity at all. |
1 Attachment(s) the stretch of hwy 1 in north van between lynn creek and lynn valley road... why are they clearcutting both sides of the highway? are they going to widen it? |
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to the morons who caused the pile up on the Port Mann westbound today... you da real MVP i was bracing for a shit commute to work but i was spared this morning, thanks to you dipshits. Now I get spared the shit til this afternoon. :fuckthatshit: |
my commute from burnaby to surrey southbound over the pattullo today was the same as late last week... 10 minutes early, but the number of heavy vehicles dosen't seem to have changed. i wasn't expecting much since all the yards where the trucks park overnight are next to the south end of the pattullo. northbound traffic is still the nightmare it usually is :( |
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Also the fact that westbound between mountain seymour entrance and the mountain highway exit won't be a bottle neck anymore is a big improvement. When I first saw the plan, I was a little shocked by the scale of the changes they wanted to make. It's definitely going to have a big impact, unfortunately you can't judge all the variety of impacts until we actually get to see it in action and shake it out and see if it all works. Time will tell. For now they sure are taking their time building it. Fuck me they work slow. |
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With property values along Belcarra, I highly doubt that would ever happen. But man, it sure would be nice. |
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Also I'd rather see the canada line extended one stop under the bay to Lonsdale Quay, and ditch the seabus, and the plan actually isn't as ridiculous as most people would think. The initial report put forth placed operating savings at about $3.2 million/year, and if they do it before they pull the trigger on the new seabuses which are needed in the next 5 years, thats an aditional savings of ~$60 million. On top of that it's believed additional revenue would be ~1.5 million a year (right away), and it would only grow from there year over year. So using the estimated figure of 300 million to complete the project, the project quickly starts to make sense: 300 - 60 = 240 / 5 = 48 year pay back. Sounds retarded, but factoring in additional growth, potential future projects, etc. the real payback is probably under 30 years. Also if it buys time before the lions gate or 2nd narrows needs a billion dollar upgrade, then it might be the more feasible option. Not to mention this opens the option to extend the train further on the NS in the future. |
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They have to do something. It's a nightmare going into the north shore, and just as bad coming back. Same goes for the S2S highway. 3 times this summer, it's taken me 4 hours to get back from Whistler. Everytime it goes from 2 lanes into 1, there is a bottleneck. Not to mention that light in the bullshit little shitburgh town of Brittania. On a long weekend it's a solid like of traffic 3 km south of Brittania, all the way through Squamish. The growth in this province isn't sustainable. If the big earthquake hits, Vancouver would be in chaos. Just look at what happened with the free salt. :okay: |
^^ IMO, sending the project to an independent technical review is a good thing. Everybody knows and acknowledges that something needs to be done with the Massey tunnel, but there is no consensus on what the best approach / compromise is, esp between the different municipalities. I generally agree that a new bridge with revised onramps / traffic merging measures is the right direction to approach this. However, the details need to be worked out and agreed on by the neighbouring municipalities (including CoV), instead of simply getting shoved down our throats from the Premier. Richmond's recommendation for twinning doesn't seem like a good idea at all because it would cost too much to retrofit the existing tunnel up to current seismic standards. |
Glad that it is going for an independent review. Christy was trying to get this thing built ASAP, with no consensus from the participating municipalities. My office is near the tunnel, and it is a gongshow on most days between 2pm to 5:30pm. Everyone is travelling southbound due to the growth and expansion of Delta, South Surrey and Langley. I'd rather put up with this insanity for a little while longer, and hopefully have the right decision made for the long term. I really hope some sort of public transit is integrated into the new plan. Whether it is specific BRT lanes or a future right-of-way for high speed transit, they have to plan for the future, not for right now. |
Christy was trying to ram that fucking bridge through and it was the most ass backwards plan. The more you looked at what they were doing the less it made any level of sense. They say it was to alleviate traffic, and because the tunnel was a seismic disaster and all that shit. Well the pattullo is 10x the problem in all those regards. The real reason Christy was trying to ram that crap through the process was so that she could get more boat traffic out of the US up the fraser river. If there are companies who want boat traffic to go up the fraser, they should pay for the bridge. Why should the public pay for such a large infrastructure project just so that companies can benefit from the ships passing below it. Don't bull shit us and pull the wool over our eyes telling us it's to improve traffic, and make our lives better. This is exactly the reason why Cunty Christy was a piece of shit, she was always just a lying sack of shit and covering up her own motives. |
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Twinning the tunnel has got to be one of the worst, costliest, and least effective options. Then you have to maintain the existing Massey Tunnel which is a huge money pit. |
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