Doesn't comply with current or upcoming seismic requirements? Just guessing

Not to mention the first day after a long weekend.

I'm not surprised with the general fuckery on our roads. I see people running stop signs, driving through solid red lights, lane changes without signals (particularly when there's a car already in the other lane).

But hey at least cars are getting smarter right? That clearly means we don't have to do anything behind the wheel!

:badpokerface:

Their driving IQ is as low as their normal IQ, they were probably spending more money avoiding the tolls (gas and wear on vehicle) than they would've spent paying the tolls.

Likewise - now switching over from a 8AM departure to a 4:45AM. Missed yesterdays gong show along with the one that is unfolding today.

Toll Elimination meet The Law of Unintended Consequence.

Way to go NDP..should they have not done some research before pulling the tolls? Has Mr. Hogan chimed in here to tell us what they are gonna do to resolve this?

of course he hasn't said shit because he hasn't planned anything and now there is just silence from him until his next stupid fucken move.

fucking agreed.

Holy shxt... 30k extra trips per day...

Extra traffic, crashes leading to regular delays on toll-free Port Mann Bridge - NEWS 1130

Liberals be going ... LOL, hahah, ROFL ....

I knew there was gonna be an increase in traffic but I didn't think there were that many cheap fucks

Port Mann = Alex Fraser 2.0

I'd move back to Saskatchewan before I'd ever consider commuting over the bridge on the regular and I fucking hate living in that Province.

I'm one of them.

Always took Patullo and truck hwy instead.

I'm just glad I don't have a shitty long commute everyday.

You guys should just move this side of the bridge :)


The main problem that I'm seeing, is that the system the liberals put into place, those 15-30k people did not see value in it, and now you're seeing the real traffic pattern. Had they made a more attractive toll pricing scheme, maybe there's a scenario that could be in the middle somewhere.

I take the Patullo often. I have some customers in New West, and my physio guy is on the New West/Burnaby border. The amount of traffic on the Patullo has dropped significantly. There were so many cheap pricks who were driving extra miles in order to save the tolls. I get it, it's your money. But there's a point where you need to choose between saving a small amount of money, and losing a large amount of your own time.

It's not all just "Cheap Fucks" that just decided to go the long way in their car, many are probably people that used to use transit or carpool and now are like "Well fuck it, might as well drive!"

Again, that was a $6 decision.

I know that my vehicle costs a lot more to run than a bus pass.
I average about $10/day in fuel. That alone is a big factor. Add to that, $5/day for insurance (which is fucking ludicrous!). My accountant has factored that every km I put on my vehicle costs $.25 in maintenance and amortization.

So far, I'm up to about $25/day to run my truck. That didn't include the tolls. Versus the cost of a bus pass at about $6/day.

So yeah, cheap fucks indeed. By adding 20km to my commute bypassing the Port Mann, I'm saving $8 in tolls, but paying $5 in amortization and an additional $10 in gas for a net loss of $7/day. Plus time.

Cheap fucks, indeed.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
Penny smart, pound foolish.

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When can we have the tolls back? This experiment obviously didn't work, admit to it and move on.

Crusty and the Libs should have tolled all the bridges to force people on transit. I drive over the Alex everyday and I've not seen a drop in traffic. I thought it would be a cascading effect of people moving towards the Port Mann without the tolls. All it did was bring out people that were taking transit.

They should've never had the tolls that high in terms of pricing. If they had the tolls at $1-$1.50 then I guarantee you that more people would've taken it.

I think at $1 or $1.50, it wouldn't have been much of a deterrent to steer people away from their cars. Though I hate Crusty, they were right to implement a $3 toll. What they should have done is have it like Transit rates, where during rush hour it's high and on weekends and past 7 PM, have it at the $1-1.50 rate.

You'd be surprised by how much traffic can be reduced even when a token fee has been applied. People are not rational that way. As a readily available example, just look at the gas station line ups when one station is cheaper than another by $0.01 cent. People literally line up, let their cars idle for 10 min, when all they are "saving" is $0.50.

Besides, it'd eliminate a lot of unnecessary trips, or cause people to consolidate their trips.

Having a nominal fee across all bridge crossings is totally an effective way to manage and reduce traffic.

Newb Horgan ... "let's just totally remove the toll". No gradual reduction of toll to find optimum balance between revenue, traffic management, and environmental effect.

Was on Hwy 1 yesterday around 12:30pm and sure enough, 3 car accident before the bridge, blocked HOV, and the right shoulder. Now people might consider using Patullo & Hwy 17 just to avoid the gong show on Hwy 1 and Port Mann.

Generally speaking you'd want more than a month worth of data to make that call. If they do bring tolls back they need a better system for out of towners because what they had before was absolute shit if you weren't a local.

Removing tolls, increasing congestion to the port Mann. Then cancelling the widening of hwy1 216 to 264 which would have alleviated a lot of the congestion.
I'm trying to think of a sensible explanation for these actions and I can't

I'll tell you how it is perfectly sensible to Anger Management Horgan -- because it helped him win the election.