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Why don't you ask me what my previous job before that was? I was a hiring manager. I hired for BC Place, VCC, and Pemberton festival. Ive hired for concerts, FIFA games and high profile catering events. Ive staffed upwards of 80 men a day for jobs with companies like Ledcor, Axiom, EllisDon, etc. You don't need to school me in how people get hired LOL. I've dealt with drug addicts, alcoholics, criminals, & thieves every day. You really think people like this have CREDIBLE REFERENCES? Lol. You may have attended training and that's cute, honey. But I've lived and breathed hiring on a mass scale for years.
cookie, you want one?
if I for some reason need to take on an applicant from the vulnerable population...I would at the very least need a contact with a support group that can vouch he/she is making positive changes and is fit for work
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There are people like me who worked hard, were in management ranks and STILL got fucked sideways by an upper level employee and didn't have the trust of the owner.
would an open communication with said upper level employee and/or owner have prevented getting fucked sideways in the first place? maybe? maybe not?
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In that case, what are people's options?
you know, uh to not include history of management that you can't trust will give you a glowing reference? If you have a stellar work ethics and have worked at all these places, surely you can find one or two that can vouch for you.
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You realize there are people who also lie on their actual resume? I know people who haven't graduated high school and they put it on that they have. They get interviews, they get good jobs and they rock the job. Do they not deserve that chance in a highly competitive employment market? Why not, if they can do the job?
you can probably smell BS on the first week or so, that's what probation period is for.
they might deserve the a chance, but the honest applicant should've gotten priority. back to the academia example, let's say you get into a professional program with fake grades, even if you graduate with cum laude there's a good chance the college/bar will try to revoke your license/disbar you.
if you're willing to lie about your credentials...I can't have the liability of you scheming the team/company and worst of all, the clients. If even the slightest bit of trust is broken at stage 0, why should I even waste my time when there're other ambitious and just as hardworking applicants to pick from.
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If you hire based solely on checking a reference number online, you're also an idiot. People give personal numbers as well that obviously are not linked to the company. In a perfect world, where you could trust your bosses infinitely to treat you with the respect & appreciation you deserve then I could understand your need to condemn people who may fake a reference. But not everything is black and white like that. So why don't you take your grubby little fingers off reply and just finish rummaging through that bag of dicks you have there, pick the biggest cheesiest one, then choke on it?
wtb: bag of salty nuts
my previous post still stands: anything to weed you out in a process of elimination...there won't even be a debate when it comes to false credential/reference...right to the shredda...i'm probably too lazy to e-mail the dean though.
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Last edited by twitchyzero; 11-04-2017 at 08:43 PM.
Sorry for your health issues, but the level of modesty in the paragraph above is a great indicator of the exact type of employee/co-worker I would not like to have.
Given the huge number of job's it seems you've been employed in, one would suspect that you could have at least ONE credible reference to use consistently... and not use your friend/pretend-supervisor.
Yes, people know shit things happen, and yes people know that there are often personality clashes within any given workplace. If that is clearly explained to your supervisor/potential reference, you can be a 'good human' by not lying, and being upfront and honest, rather than sly-ly dodging away like you're actually trying to hide something. But then again, if you're applying for jobs to paint nails or sort through job applications of druggies and criminals, then I suppose that's okay.
Yes i have 2 consistent references ...they're all real LOL and I could have more if my resume included my whole history, but i really dont remember all my bosses because as Ive said I move around quite a bit and I follow what interests me.
My one reference im referring to in this thread is actually a Operations Supervisor that I worked alongside with during my tenure at my last company....Ive stated that. She worked in our secondary office...again.....ive stated that. Shes not a "pretend supervisor". Lol. Its just not the manager/owner. Obviously you dont read???
Again sure, im not the type of coworker youd want to have. But I've never had a complaint from coworkers, I do my job effectively and I mind my business. I respect others and it was my job to protect my coworkers when I was in office. Ive had MEN come in and get violent and utter threats because they think they can. I am not the one to do that with. Ive faced off with a 6 foot 2 245+ pound dude who came in, slamming the desk and arguing about a check that wasnt to be issued for another 2 weeks. He tried to physically intimidate me, but that doesn't work on me. These guys always come back, begging for forgiveness. They have bad days like the rest of us and they used to try me when I was new. They'll fuck with you if they know they can get away with it. But they'll respect you if you're firm and stand your ground.
And seriously? Level of modesty? Just because I know my worth, I recognize my own value as a worker I'm somehow an undesirable coworker? Lol. Get real. If you don't know your own value as a worker how do you ever expect to move forward or get jobs that align with your own values? If I don't know what I can bring to the table, why would people hire me? Lol.
Im not the one who initially came in here and called out fuck you to EVERYONE who fakes a reference. The ONLY reason I came for twitchy was because he said that. Thats the ONLY reason Im giving him attitude lol. If a coworker said fuck you to me at work, id give it to them too.
Let me clarify again Twitchy, all Im saying is maybe dont say fuck you and generalize a whole group?
And btw, if you read my replies, i did state in my situation i went through all the appropriate channels and I did all level meetings. We did the leadership seminars on the weekends, the respect and bullying ones too. The communication was there but her behaviour still didnt change.
If i come for you because you decided to say fuck you and you cant even read a reply to get all the facts, then dont bother. We obviously wont agree on it.
I thought SirV was you so when i replied to him originally it was tailored to you LOL.
Anyway, we're obviously different. I come from an employment background where in a lot cases, we dont even look at references. We give people chances. Thats why I believe what I do. When I hire I speak to people. I find out their motives for working, if they can do the job. I can rely on my gut instinct more than a reference in my previous line of work. If youve seen the embarrassment on peoples faces when you ask for a reference that ive seen, maybe youd feel the same way I do. Dudes just wanna work...they just want to survive. Obviously it depends on what youre hiring for..I never said it didnt. I was afforded the luxury of seeing people work firsthand instead of having to rely on a reference. I had to be aggressive for the workers I believed in, because I was the one who determined what job they would get/if they would do it well. Thats why I seem aggressive over it ontop of my own personal experiences. If someone wanted to work that day for some money for food, i will not turn them away. But if they fuck up at the job...theyre not allowed back.
ah, good ol RS. theres always gotta be that one thread that turns into a complete bitch-fest..
i've walked out on one job. i got laid off from my manufacturing job because of the down turn in the economy back in 08. i was on EI for a bit and then got bored and decided to finally land a job with mr.lube. things were going good for the first month while i was training and i was bouncing around between 2 different locations filling in shifts for other guys calling in sick etc. in the end i was asked to stay at one location with a creepy manager i fucking hated. there were also a couple of really sketchy fellow employees working there as well. assistant manager was addicted to some kind of drug and would always just randomly leave.
at the time i was making $9/hr. we were always getting procedural bullshit rammed down our throat which i could not stand because this was the first time i've ever worked for a big corporation. anyways, long story short, i was asked to clean the bathroom of the shop one to many times. so i said fuck it, this shit is not worth $9/hr. on a saturday morning with cars already lined up in front of the bay doors, i walked up to the creepy manager, handed him my coveralls and said i was done with this place.
I walked away from my job at a dealership after 2.5 years as I was sick of the new hr manager. Wrote Me up for calling in sick for 5 days straight even though I Had a doctors note and I was actually fucking ill. Last straw for me was when an employee came n to work still intoxicated from the night before and tried to fight me lol. Anyways I have an actual career now with great pay as well as an apprenticeship that I will be completing in january.
Once a door closes another will open.
Never walked out on a job. I've had co workers do it before and it was just annoying and added to more work for me. When I quit my last job that I had worked for 9 years I gave them 8 weeks notice and trained my replacement. Currently I still work for them as a contractor part time to make a few bucks while I get get to be Mr. Mom at home with my kids.
don't get too bothered by my profanity...you seem quite hung up on that
if the recruiter let's false pretenses slide, it jeopardizes almost the entire point of the hiring process. Why not just grab anyone off the street?
If anyone is going to put down references on their resume, I'm damn sure it's going to be ones that they have good relationship with. Or at least, did not end in bad terms with.
So in the end, relying on just reference only contributes to a small percentage on successfully finding the "right" candidate. In my opinion, if the candidate has the skill to get the job done, isn't a dick or a bitch, and has no criminal record, then I don't see a problem.
Ive had MEN come in and get violent and utter threats because they think they can. I am not the one to do that with. Ive faced off with a 6 foot 2 245+ pound dude who came in, slamming the desk and arguing about a check that wasnt to be issued for another 2 weeks. He tried to physically intimidate me, but that doesn't work on me. These guys always come back, begging for forgiveness. They have bad days like the rest of us and they used to try me when I was new.
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Im not the one who initially came in here and called out fuck you to EVERYONE who fakes a reference. The ONLY reason I came for twitchy was because he said that. Thats the ONLY reason Im giving him attitude lol. If a coworker said fuck you to me at work, id give it to them too.
So you can stand your ground and be immune to physical intimidation, but not some benign swearing that goes on in a internet forum...
If someone wanted to work that day for some money for food, i will not turn them away. But if they fuck up at the job...theyre not allowed back.
It obviously seems like the populations that twitchy and Ms. Ree are talking about are of completely different backgrounds. Twitchy may be considering more white collar type jobs, and sorting through those resumes, whereas Ms. Ree may be dealing with a different population type all together.
Both population's will have to face different levels of scrutiny obviously. Ms. Ree, you seem, otherwise like a nice and thoughtful human being.
If I were to personally walk out of a job, ON the job, never mind getting a reference... it is likely I'll never get a job in this city again. News will spread like wildfire and I would have royally fucked myself.
If I'm a homeless/broke/drug user/abuser, and just looking for part time work to clean up BC Place a few times a year, then sure, I could probably walk out on a job and use a fake reference for my next job - since the calibre of people applying are probably all going to be around the same, it won't matter as much... all of the people applying for those jobs are probably transients within a community anyway.
ok, lets see if we can turn this back around to the OP the only one we haven't heard from recently.
You walked out, you felt great however having a short amount of time to reflect how are you feeling? Aside from reaction from the peanut gallery on Revscene what has been the reaction from friends and family? Have you looked into your finances in the event it takes longer than you thought to get an equal or more senior position?
Thinking about your last job and to prepare you for the next if you are looking for a supervisor/leader/position:
Put yourself in the role of supervisor/leader/manager and think about these scenarios:
1 An employee you thought was happy and doing a great job on the line just up and walked out. Other team members are upset as they had to work OT in order to finish the days work. The line leader wants a replacement for the next shift and upper management wants to know what is going on.
2. The line workers, who are all your friends as you started out working together 13 years ago are unhappy that there contract has expired and the company and the union aren't able to come to an agreement. The company is talking about locking out your 'friends' and you are going to have to cross the line to come in and do there job.
3 Two employees working on the line don't get along. They have been causing problems on the line and have started name calling each other including profanity. Something that is against company policy.
4 You just found out that one of your line workers lied on his resume and used fake references.
5 You have a line worker who is an average employee who just makes the minimum daily standards but talks every break about being the top performer. He wants to be trained on all the line stations so he can show you how to improve productivity. The other line team mates want him transferred to a different shift.
What have you done to show you have supervisor/leadership/manager skills? Have you taken any professional development courses?
Have you heard of EQ? Emotional Intelligence, been around since 1995. People peddling books think it is more important than IQ. Start with Daniel Goleman for internet resources.
Briggs-Meyers has been around before I started working. If you never taken it, it may give you some insight on your personality type as a starting point to do some self-reflection.
Tedtallks have some great videos. Some not as exciting a the shitty dangerous drivers videos but find a speaker you can relate to and see what you learn.
Nothing is ever a mistake if you learn something and improve from it.
I've walked out on 2 jobs. First one was Walmart. I took the job as a last resort sort of thing and didn't truly want to work there. Went through training and then on my first morning shift they did this little Walmart huddle. Everyone was there looking happy wearing their vests. They started this cheer that went something like, "Who has the lowest prices?" and everyone would yell "Walmart" and then "Who has the best Customer Service?" everyone yelled "Walmart!" Then the guy says, "Who's number 1?" and I was getting into it now and I yelled "Walmart!" and everyone goes quiet and looks at me. The guy says "The customer is always number 1."
I took my vest off, dropped in the floor, turned around and walked out. lol.
Berz out.
read this thread a few days ago and this video came up on my ig feed today
lol @ all the comments. alright im back and ill give you an update.
so after walking out. i returned back to work the following week. They got me into a room with an HR and my supervisor. they werent mad @ me. they were more concerned about my health. so after a chat we had. they offered me a shrink free of charge. I didnt take the offer. i just worked there for 2 weeks then left. a few people said in this thread. take a stress leave. (perhaps i should have done that) but i didnt want to. just wanted to move on (oh and hey were more then happy to give me a excellent referance)
I wanted to make a career change and get into another Trade. I sent out about 20-30 resumes. Got about 5 interviews. i remember this one place. The president interviewed me. he gave me a Q & A. then suddenly he decides to tell me a story about how this one nascar racer lost a race because of one of his pit crew (who happens to be the smallest guy) screwed up on the pit stop, and made the driver lose the race. That right there. I knew i wasnt gonna get this job. despite him telling me he likes my resume.
so for months without income. stress coming. weight gaining, depression slowly kicks in.
i finally got another interview and this time got hired for DIRT CHEAP!
I made sure i let them know that i dont know names of tools/parts and im not much of a handy man, but i can learn it. they agreed
so day 1 of week 1 @ new job. im digging trenches 1 foot deep into the ground and across 3 townhomes. i havent worked in months. yes it was exhausting, i was aching all over, but i didnt give up and manage to finish the job in 7 hours. they were impressed.
later in the week. i was working with the supervisor. he was kind of teaching what the parts were. he made a comment and said. "its not hard. this isnt rocket science"
(i hate it when people say that. especially when one is trying to learn) i had a feeling. these guys are dicks! but i just ignored it.
week 2....i was working with this 27 year old journeyman. before we began. i told him i dont know much about this trade. he said its okay.
as the week went on. he didnt really teach me much. more like yelled @ me and told me to grab the parts he needed (keep in mind. im new and dont know the names of these parts hes asking for) so he had to show me what he needed by yelling @ me.
i just stood there and took it. didnt wanna add fire.
i did good on the task he gave me though. such as jack hammering concrete. physical stuff
so on march 23. he wanted me to do a task that ive never done before in my life. so i did it and unfortunately i screwed up. and he was PISSED! yelled @ in front of others. pretty much he kept demoralizing me
then i said to myself enough is enough. i kindly said to him. "yo ive never done this before. so stop screming @ me"
thats when i knew i was gonna be fired!
so the following sunday i got a call from the boss and sure enough.. i got Fired!
i felt so effing angry and demoralized by that 27 year old guy. i knew he was the reason why i got discharged.
So yeah. im back @ square 1. Still bitter but will never give up
Funny this thread popped up. Walked out of my job last Friday. Had a non work related injury and took 2 weeks off as the doctor recommended. On my second day back to work, my boss threatened my job and used every excuse in the book to push me out the door as he did not want to deal with a wcb claim if I happened to worsen my injury at work. I've been unhappy working for him the last couple years due to his shit attitude, and I wanted to quit anyways. Had a job interview with another company yesterday and was hired on the spot. It;s only been a few days since I quit, but i feel much happier knowing I don't need to deal with that shithead boss ever again.
Funny this thread popped up. Walked out of my job last Friday. Had a non work related injury and took 2 weeks off as the doctor recommended. On my second day back to work, my boss threatened my job and used every excuse in the book to push me out the door as he did not want to deal with a wcb claim if I happened to worsen my injury at work. I've been unhappy working for him the last couple years due to his shit attitude, and I wanted to quit anyways. Had a job interview with another company yesterday and was hired on the spot. It;s only been a few days since I quit, but i feel much happier knowing I don't need to deal with that shithead boss ever again.
similar to me, district manager, HR, operations manager, and floor manager had meeting with me because I kept complaining about my back and knee injuries. They kept shrugging it off until I said I am going to quit. They didn't want me to because I was the only one that was running my departments with efficiency as well as training new team mates.
They did their best to persuade me from going to WORKSAFE and instead to speak to their medical officer to seek other solutions to help me work safer with less stress on my body. Told them mutltiple times, to help relieve my stress, I need at least two more guys to help me deal with my physical, and inventory work. They didn't agree, so I said fuck it, took my 4 weeks vacation, came back for a few days, they pissed me off again and I quit. Went to Worksafe, reported them for trying to persuade me to keep working on light duties while injured. I had recording of our meetings.
vice president of canada wide company, came down fired floor manager, demoted operations manager to health and safety guy, and the others got in huge shit.
Found two new opportunities and its the best decision I ever made. If you are unhappy with your job, just say fuck it. You never know whats out there for you, it takes time but eventually you will find it, or the opportunity will come to you in many ways.
One action will lead to another and get you people closer to what you were meant to do. The hardest part is deciding to walk away because there are so many what ifs. Once you get past that point its all golden.
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