WTF....Chinese crazy man kicks librarian.

[welfare]

Curious to know how many people here would be in favor of drug testing for those receiving financial aid..

[Tone Loc]

Originally Posted by J____

My mom didn't have any education relevant to the work force here, and made $3.50 an hour as a clerk and later as a factory worker on an assembly line.

If a 40 year old chinese woman with no english skills and non ideal health can succeed here in those conditions then any able bodied person can definitely pull themselves off the streets.

So let's get this straight.

Our government allowed somebody to immigrate from another country who, by your own admission;

A) had no skilled worker experience,
B) did not speak either of the official languages (I admit I'm assuming your mom doesn't speak French), and
C) has a health condition that would have caused some type of burden on our social system

You're right, damn these handouts. Because if letting her immigrate here wasn't one, I don't know what is.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by Tone Loc

So let's get this straight.

Our government allowed somebody to immigrate from another country who, by your own admission;

A) had no skilled worker experience,
B) did not speak either of the official languages (I admit I'm assuming your mom doesn't speak French), and
C) has a health condition that would have caused some type of burden on our social system.

And yet, by the sounds of it, she was still able to work and raise a family...

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by welfare

And yet, by the sounds of it, she was still able to work and raise a family...

Imagine her trying to do the same somewhere without a good social support system as Canada's

Yet she still managed to raise a privileged spoiled kid, so maybe it's not such a good thing

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by Tone Loc

So let's get this straight.

Our government allowed somebody to immigrate from another country who, by your own admission;

A) had no skilled worker experience,
B) did not speak either of the official languages (I admit I'm assuming your mom doesn't speak French), and
C) has a health condition that would have caused some type of burden on our social system

You're right, damn these handouts. Because if letting her immigrate here wasn't one, I don't know what is.

Dont be an asshole. You dont know the whole story, and if you came from an immigrant family you'd understand this a lot better. His mom might not have any "experience" in the jobs for Canada, but im sure she was skilled in her own country. If they came in the early 1990's the only way to enter Canada was via an applicable skill or investment. Since majority of the Chinese at that time didn't have money for investment, they were all selected to immigrant via a skill deemed valuable to Canada.

My family entered the same way. We arrived in 1990 and my mom was a doctor and my dad the chief editor of a shanghai newspaper. When they got to Canada, my ma worked in a textile mill ironing shirts, and my dad washed dishes. They never had the opportunity to go study English or apply their trade because they had to make ends meet. But they were still able to always put food on the table and even buy 2 houses.

So fuck these homeless people and their god damn life choices. you make shitty choices, you win shitty prizes. You work hard and you can succeed even if the odds are stacked against you.

[Phozy]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Imagine her trying to do the same somewhere without a good social support system as Canada's

Yet she still managed to raise a privileged spoiled kid, so maybe it's not such a good thing

...and i'll stop it there and say it's the capable and psychologically sound homeless, who were already given the great social support system that Canada offers, that we hate to see asking for handouts.

Can we distinguish between those who are lazy and made conscious choices to destroy their lives, and those who have mental illness or were subject to unfortunate circumstances and couldn't get out? My answer is a resounding no.

[J____]

Originally Posted by will068

The same social responsibility that this government have for the mentally disabled is the same compassion that your mom received as a low-skilled refugee to be able to enter this country.

Now sit down.

I'm sorry, but no my mother did not come to this country as a refugee.

Homelessness and refugee is not the same thing, as far as I know, most refugees enter a country and work hard to become contributing citizens to society.

Also as I mentioned before, I have no problems with mentally disabled as it's not by choice. I just don't believe throwing someone that's homeless caused by mental illness into the projects is the correct way to help them. Creating clinics and programs to help them incorporate back to society is a better way to get those people off the streets. Just because you're mentally ill doesn't mean you're useless, if that's the case then I think everyone on here needs a government handout since everyone's slightly wonky in the head no?

[J____]

Originally Posted by Tone Loc

So let's get this straight.

Our government allowed somebody to immigrate from another country who, by your own admission;

A) had no skilled worker experience,
B) did not speak either of the official languages (I admit I'm assuming your mom doesn't speak French), and
C) has a health condition that would have caused some type of burden on our social system

You're right, damn these handouts. Because if letting her immigrate here wasn't one, I don't know what is.

A) she was college educated in a field that doesn't exist professionally in canada.
B) she only spoke minimal english but later learned
C) she's had thyroid issues for years before coming to canada so yes, I guess you can call that a medical condition that did not put her in ideal 40 year old condition. But it didn't stop her from working hard.

Yet our government let her in as a skilled immigrant because her knowledge of chinese culture and language made her a skilled asset at the time for one of the vendors at Expo 86. She shared a single room workers dorm with 5 other people in chinatown, ate 2 meals a day, and slept 3 hours a day, just so she can work a few more hours and save up enough to provide a better future for us. Oh and her medicare was covered by her employer which was part of her pay package so no, she did not take a handout for the government.

And I am right, damn those handouts, not only to lazy homeless people, but including those given to all new immigrants that come here to scam the system.

[J____]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Imagine her trying to do the same somewhere without a good social support system as Canada's

Yet she still managed to raise a privileged spoiled kid, so maybe it's not such a good thing

I am spoiled because? I haven't spent a single penny belonging to my parents since the age of 18. Just because I don't have compassion for lazy people makes me spoiled?

[J____]

Originally Posted by Gerbs

$60 an hour can't afford a $2 million dollar home. Unless you meant being paid $60/hr + OT at 60 - 100 hours a week. Otherwise your mortgage at current rates would be like $8k a month for 25 years with a $400k downpayment. While only taking home like $7,400 after tax a month if you only work 40 hours a week at $60/hr lol. Include Property tax of like $7-8k + Utilities + Car + Groceries. That would be like another $2k a month.

Idk what fairytale world you live in where you think $60/hour is good enough money to afford a 2 million dollar home. But to be fair you probably feel this way because you already have a home because of your parents.

2x $60/hr x 40hr week = ~$230000/year
Lets say after tax your family of 2 is making $150k a year, you'll be able to pay for all the above based off a $2mil house and still have a enough left over to throw in the RRSP or savings account.

You must also realize people make sacrifices on certain aspects of life if they want another part to be better. They don't say "I want a $2mil house, ferrari, and eat out everyday. But can't afford it making $150k a year so the government better give me some money so I can have everything I want." If their priority is a $2mil house, then they might be shopping bulk for groceries and driving a toyota. If they prioritize a ferrari and eating out everyday, they might just settle for a $600k condo.

[welfare]

People who complain about others making preconceived notions while making preconceived notions

[minoru_tanaka]

Weird how we want to help people that smoke crack, steal and rob people, but cigarette smokers are the devil. Some say nicotine is more addictive than crack. Maybe we should be providing them free cigarettes and housing instead of taxing them?

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by welfare

Curious to know how many people here would be in favor of drug testing for those receiving financial aid..

https://www.snopes.com/should-we-dru...re-recipients/

https://thinkprogress.org/what-7-sta...-c346e0b4305d/

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by minoru_tanaka

Weird how we want to help people that smoke crack, steal and rob people, but cigarette smokers are the devil. Some say nicotine is more addictive than crack. Maybe we should be providing them free cigarettes and housing instead of taxing them?

Well sounds like you chose the wrong vice, instead of paying out the ass for a pack of lung cancer you could be doing meth and getting a cheque for it.

[Sid Vicious]

Originally Posted by welfare

Curious to know how many people here would be in favor of drug testing for those receiving financial aid..

it's a retarded concept because the process of testing would cost many more times than what it is given in aid

[originalhypa]

^
Florida found this out the hard way a number of years ago.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious

it's a retarded concept because the process of testing would cost many more times than what it is given in aid

That really depends on the intended purpose.
If it's being used specifically to penalize, then yes, the cost of the program will outweigh funds saved from withheld aid.

But if it's being used to get those in need into treatment, and is successful in that, then savings of rehabilitating people into productive members of society is multiplied.

Then it's not just the savings from financial aid, but also the costs of drug related crimes, legal/prison costs, medical assistance, and any other costs that go into sustaining a drug addicts habits.

Apparently a lot of Canadians are in favor of testing
https://canada.isidewith.com/poll/1405748003

Here's BC at 2/3rds
https://canada.isidewith.com/poll/1405748003/9332707

[welfare]

I've also heard a psychiatric assessment requirement proposed.
Controversial, I know. But at least they're methods to get people required treatment. Since the only other way is voluntary (which isn't often), or if they are a danger (again, not that often).

[westopher]

There are some legitimate sociopaths on RS.
Its amazing how people can continue to spout of bullshit about because they "made it" that everyone can. Just wait until you have a kid, or a brother, or a cousin who gets molested by his teacher at 6 years old and has such emotional trauma he needs drugs to escape his reality. Or someone who's injury and years of prescriptions that no longer help the pain turns to other, harder opioids. Maybe the veteran that saw his best friend blown up beside him in Afghanistan?
No one gives a fuck if you made it. Everyone on RS did. You aren't fucking special. We all got here through circumstance. People need to start understanding there are people that need help to even have a chance to rectify their issues, whether its their fault or not.

[MG1]

Originally Posted by westopher

Just wait until you have a kid, or a brother, or a cousin who gets molested by his teacher at 6 years old and has such emotional trauma he needs drugs to escape his reality. Or someone who's injury and years of prescriptions that no longer help the pain turns to other, harder opioids. Maybe the veteran that saw his best friend blown up beside him in Afghanistan?
No one gives a fuck if you made it. Everyone on RS did. You aren't fucking special. We all got here through circumstance. People need to start understanding there are people that need help to even have a chance to rectify their issues, whether its their fault or not.

thank-you.............good stuff.

Sad part is, no matter what you say, these people won't get it. One day these people are going to suffer some kind of tragedy or loss and nobody is going to give two shits about them. That's what happens in a "dog eat dog" world. A world they help/ed create.


The Random Acts of Kindness thread on RS. Quite dead. That's because people can't come up with a single feel good story to post. It doesn't even have to be their story. Too busy looking after number one to bother helping out a fellow human being in need.

It's not even about helping anyone out. It's the attitude some people have towards people who struggle.

Anyway, I need to do something other than posting stuff on here. Donate some old clothes, give out hand warmers from the case I've had in the garage for quite some time, etc.

[GS8]

Funny enough, regardless of which side of the tracks you grow up on, no one gets through life on their own. No one makes it without help form others whether it's direct or indirect. Anyone who think they made it on their own is full of it.

So whether you're climbing the corporate ladder or trying to straighten out your heroin addiction, there's people around who will help you.

It's an evolution of human nature. Humans are still animals hence we still tap into our more primal tendencies.

[Tone Loc]

Originally Posted by westopher

There are some legitimate sociopaths on RS.
Its amazing how people can continue to spout of bullshit about because they "made it" that everyone can.

People need to start understanding there are people that need help to even have a chance to rectify their issues, whether its their fault or not.

No kidding.

To think that "hard work" is the sole defining factor between being successful and living on the street is perhaps the most narrow minded argument I have ever heard.

For every person who "worked hard" and made it, there is someone else working just as hard who isn't getting as far for a multitude of reasons. Likewise, I know many people who do completely fuck all and are doing well in life (mostly due to rich parents lol) as much as I know people who are doing nothing and are receiving nothing for it.

Life isn't a fucking flowchart.

[GLOW]

protesters scared of homeless? how about the other way around. can't say i blame them for fear of moving in.

Handful of homeless Vancouverites turn down housing because of neighbourhood protests - British Columbia - CBC News

Handful of homeless Vancouverites turn down housing because of neighbourhood protests

At least five people who have spent years sleeping on Vancouver's streets or in its parks turned down a spot in a brand new apartment development for the homeless because of the level of opposition in the neighbourhood, the property manager says.

"They were afraid because of the protests," says Julie Roberts, executive director of Community Builders, a non-profit organization that operates the 78-unit temporary housing complex in the south-end neighbourhood of Marpole.

"They weren't sure if they were going to be safe."

[dbaz]

fuck this thread is just a big pile of shit now. Asians blaming white homeless people, and people blaming shitty immigrants

people saying fuck the homeless obviously don't know how fast a life can spiral due to conditions out of their hands. yes a lot of it is recreational drug use or alcohol use situations that has become an addiction but there are those that get there due to situations that could as easily destroy anyone on here if it hits at the right time. ever have a parent get extremely sick and not be able to work as they have to take care of themselves? while most think this is something that would happen in their later years when they have a house, a job, savings. what about if it hits when the person just graduated uni? they have student debt, it hurts their job profile, hurts their ability to acquire equity.

people who didn't have immigration experiences where the family had to go all out to survive don't know the real struggle either. saying this as a white guy, white people don't understand this because immigrating as a white person is waaay easier than that of many of the immigrants that came to Canada from Asia or Africa etc. theres emotional and physical baggage that usually goes with it.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Originally Posted by dbaz

fuck this thread is just a big pile of shit now. Asians blaming white homeless people, and people blaming shitty immigrants

Once they started attacking adults for wearing backpacks, I had enough!