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Old 03-20-2018, 12:05 PM   #51
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LOL. These are awesome and entertaining responses, thanks guys.

There is also a 2017 440i that I am considering as well. Similar price and mileage, but 2 years newer so a little bit more forgiving I suppose?

I have considered an IS350 and ideally, an RC350 but long story short, I have credit towards Brian Jessel BMW so I am basically stuck with choosing from their inventory.

I guess more research is due regarding these F32s before I finalize a decision...
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LOL. These are awesome and entertaining responses, thanks guys.

There is also a 2017 440i that I am considering as well. Similar price and mileage, but 2 years newer so a little bit more forgiving I suppose?

I have considered an IS350 and ideally, an RC350 but long story short, I have credit towards Brian Jessel BMW so I am basically stuck with choosing from their inventory.

I guess more research is due regarding these F32s before I finalize a decision...
B58 engine in 340/440 is a whole another can of worms. New engine for BMW, while its a good engine and definitely underrated its reliability isn't quite proven yet. Hearing a lot of coolant issues from my friend with a 340i.

Warranty will be nice but be aware for long-term
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apparently the n20 engines are very reliable. that being said every engine has it's "quirks" but from what I've read and know the n20 is pretty solid.

I've had the f10 m5 previously (not an n20 motor) but I did a lot of reading around the entire line up.

all the negative comments about BMW can be found on other forums about other german makes. Specifically Porsche. I've owned a Porsche too and it was the MOST expensive and LEAST reliable of the germans I've owned. Mercedes was pretty bad too. CL500 AMG convertible.

The bmw had some things that came up that did not come up on my japanese vehicles like the watervalve. Got the part for 140 bucks at the dealer and paid 105 for the installation.

I've had a few german cars and been on a few forums.. same complaints that BMW get. but for some reason people just find it easier to bash on BMW lol probably because of the driver demographics lol.

I've always sourced parts online, finding the best deals and sending them across the border for pick up. if i can't do it i'll ask for discounts at lordco and try to get a good oem replacement.

I enjoyed doing those things and looking around for deals or replacement parts. I had the patience and still do. Then I bring it to my local mechanic and pay cash only. If you can wrap your head around doing this part then owning a german car like BMW isn't all that bad. You don't always have to get raped at the dealer. Just a bit of reading and price comparisons and regular maintenance and you're good to go.

The majority of fixes are all common amongst standard vehicles. And for things they don't know they can pull codes for. So the only thing I'd be worried about, that affects ALL cars, are catastrophic failures.

It's really not THAT much more expensive than owning an infiniti per se.

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No other car is going to let me rest my feet up while giving me a shoulder massage all while I feel like i'm being driven on a cloud. My vote, buy a bmw

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Just buy warranty and drive stress free OP with whatever car you choose to go with. It often seems like people with negative experiences have them because they don't have coverage and have to pay out of pocket. The numbers of times i've heard people explicitly tell me "I've heard these things can cost a lot of money" then I say "buy some warranty for peace of mind" only to find out they declined all coverage's is mind boggling. Generally these are the unlucky people that have something break and then face a bill. No matter what the brand of car you will be upset. Cars break down, every manufacture. You'd be a wild gambling man to drive any luxury vehicle without coverage, but that is just my thought.
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No other car is going to let me rest my feet up while giving me a shoulder massage all while I feel like i'm being driven on a cloud. My vote, buy a bmw

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Just buy warranty and drive stress free OP with whatever car you choose to go with. It often seems like people with negative experiences have them because they don't have coverage and have to pay out of pocket. The numbers of times i've heard people explicitly tell me "I've heard these things can cost a lot of money" then I say "buy some warranty for peace of mind" only to find out they declined all coverage's is mind boggling. Generally these are the unlucky people that have something break and then face a bill. No matter what the brand of car you will be upset. Cars break down, every manufacture. You'd be a wild gambling man to drive any luxury vehicle without coverage, but that is just my thought.
You serious ? S class, Bentley, rolls, hell even the Lexus LS has those functions
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You serious ? S class, Bentley, rolls, hell even the Lexus LS has those functions
Why so defensive? Just telling OP BMW's are nice.
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Why so defensive? Just telling OP BMW's are nice.
Sorry I wasn't trying to be. I agree BMWs are nice, but those features you mentioned aren't 7 series exclusive. Almost all luxury marques has a flagship sedan that can do those things
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Why so defensive? Just telling OP BMW's are nice.
well said prudz. the question is how does one obtain coverage if bought the BMW warranty expires and owner sells vehicle to another person.

New person buys vehicle with no coverage, from private party - what to do? what options are there for coverage?
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OP asked about a CPO 4 series so I don't know how relevant it is that you're able to put your feet up in the flagship model

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Because foot rests and comfort are BMW hallmarks ��
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well said prudz. the question is how does one obtain coverage if bought the BMW warranty expires and owner sells vehicle to another person.

New person buys vehicle with no coverage, from private party - what to do? what options are there for coverage?
That sir is the reason people buy from dealers and not private parties. The services available at dealers include being able to buy extended warranty on pre-owned cars. Privately it is not a possibility.

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It is the picture relevant? Not really but my advice on warranty is extremely relevant. I'm simply saying BMW's are nice in a thread full of mixed messages. As many have said, they are amazing when they work. I have owned many and have always had coverage. My Honda's have given me way, way more hassles than my BMW's. The difference, I fix my Honda's myself, parts cost next to nothing so I get this false sense of security that they have been these reliable dream machines when in reality I have always ended up sinking about as much as a warranty costs in parts spread over time (I might ad the same amount of time as warranties generally run). My BMW's on the other hand I just let warranty cover it. Have they had issues, yes. The difference is i've never had to pay anything to have them fixed since I just claim it all.

What to take from this OP. Buy some warranty if you buy a luxury car. They are delights to drive. If you don't want to worry about what you are driving buy some coverage and just focus on the enjoyment the cars bring
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Just buy warranty and drive stress free OP with whatever car you choose to go with. It often seems like people with negative experiences have them because they don't have coverage and have to pay out of pocket. The numbers of times i've heard people explicitly tell me "I've heard these things can cost a lot of money" then I say "buy some warranty for peace of mind" only to find out they declined all coverage's is mind boggling. Generally these are the unlucky people that have something break and then face a bill. No matter what the brand of car you will be upset. Cars break down, every manufacture. You'd be a wild gambling man to drive any luxury vehicle without coverage, but that is just my thought.
What about after warranty expires? Those things only last so long lol.
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Maybe a used E92 335i would be a better choice. Depreciation is already at $13 - 19k, get a 6 speed manual <80k. Just worry about water pumps and blown turbos
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apparently the n20 engines are very reliable. that being said every engine has it's "quirks" but from what I've read and know the n20 is pretty solid.
Don't the N20s have widespread timing chain issues?
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LOL. These are awesome and entertaining responses, thanks guys.

There is also a 2017 440i that I am considering as well. Similar price and mileage, but 2 years newer so a little bit more forgiving I suppose?

I have considered an IS350 and ideally, an RC350 but long story short, I have credit towards Brian Jessel BMW so I am basically stuck with choosing from their inventory.

I guess more research is due regarding these F32s before I finalize a decision...
Here's why you might want to consider the IS over the RC...

RC is heavier since it was originally meant to have a convertible variant
RC is a mixture of a bunch of chassis (GS rear, IS-C center).. reviews seem to think it doesn't have the balance that the IS has
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What about after warranty expires? Those things only last so long lol.
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F80s/F82s have fairly good reputation, recommend do some homework from bimmerpost, there is a poll from all the users on if they have problems with their F80s and if they do, what is it, you can see it's very small numbers of % that actually have issues, mostly have none. I had N54 engine in my F10, same in 435i that you are thinking I believe, it is a powerful and smooth engine and BMW been using them for a while so i mean, any flaws should been covered already by 2014.

I do have a solution for you, be like me, get a F82 still but get the M version, then you sit your fat ass on those wonderful seats M has, fire up the engine and let that sweet exhaust sinks in your ears a little bit. A voice then comes in telling you everything will be okay. You then start to pull away from the garage, all you be thinking is that today is gonna be the best day ever!
You be ok man with F82, don't let these ppl bully you LOL
prettttty sure both of ur BMWs had the N55 version engine which is a lot more reliable than the N54 by miles.
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By reading this thread, makes it seem like all BMW are shit boxes. So why are there SOOO many of them all over the place in the lower mainland, and one of the most popular luxury vehicles in the world?
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In fact, that is exactly the location where my credit is viable. Considered that vehicle as well, but not exactly my preference in terms of colour lol. However it may be the best option if the BMW ends up being unsuitable.
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By reading this thread, makes it seem like all BMW are shit boxes. So why are there SOOO many of them all over the place in the lower mainland, and one of the most popular luxury vehicles in the world?
Because there's someone named Ludia Li who (quoting buddy in the industry)
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payments are *decent*

scheduled maintenance is free

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