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Manic! 04-11-2018 10:50 AM

All the snakes are now now turning pro marijuana
 
People who where against marijuana legalization are now changing there tune. The same people who helped lock people up are now pro marijuana. It's disgusting. The latest is former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives john Boehner.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6167a5117253



Here is a list of ex politicians and police in Canada that are now making money from marijuana.

https://nowtoronto.com/news/cops-pol...n-on-cannabis/

white rocket 04-11-2018 12:04 PM

It doesn't matter what a person or groups opinion was in the past because if they can make money off of it then they'll do it. I'd like to think that they have been swayed by the economic value for the greater good of society in general among other positive reasons but let's be honest, it's always money money money.

murd0c 04-11-2018 01:07 PM

the way things work in the world is money and if they can make it off the devils lettuce he will be pro for it. Ya they are snakes but we need this people to be on the pro side of things in order for legalization to actually happens. Ya its pathetic in a way but that's how business works.

Rallydrv 04-11-2018 01:11 PM

Of course.. There's money to be made.

DragonChi 04-11-2018 02:17 PM

Back in the 80s this would have never flown, it would have been political suicide. The stigma associated with pot is starting to fade. Thankfully, we're moving towards data driven and statistically based policy making. Instead of stereotypes and bias.

Ludepower 04-11-2018 02:23 PM

We need these old farts on our side for legalization.

european 04-11-2018 02:37 PM

If there's money to be made, they'll be all about it.

N.V.M. 04-11-2018 06:51 PM

Most of you are too young to know what the government's stance on gambling was like back in the day. Lotteries, sports betting, casinos are now their prized possession. A 180º flip flop from not too long ago.

donk. 04-11-2018 06:57 PM

world is run on greed and opinion.

welfare 04-11-2018 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8897717)
Back in the 80s this would have never flown, it would have been political suicide. The stigma associated with pot is starting to fade. Thankfully, we're moving towards data driven and statistically based policy making. Instead of stereotypes and bias.

Actually more relatively recent data has shown direct relation between early onset of psychosis in the developing brain and marijuana use.

I really hope our government plans on informative campaigns like they do for cigarettes and alcohol. Because most people I hear from seem to think pot is completely harmless.
I know they will be running some similar warning labels to cigarettes.

If it closes the black market, I'm all for legalization. It only makes sense. But it needs to be done with responsibility in mind. Not just a massive revenue stream.

And I still don't know what this government plans to do about breaching the UN drug conventions, since they haven't withdrawn from them.

RRxtar 04-11-2018 07:21 PM

sorta like how Hillary Clinton was against gay marriage until 5 years ago and was strongly opposed to immigration flowing over the border until 4 years ago?

DragonChi 04-11-2018 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8897766)
Actually more relatively recent data has shown direct relation between early onset of psychosis in the developing brain and marijuana use.

I really hope our government plans on informative campaigns like they do for cigarettes and alcohol. Because most people I hear from seem to think pot is completely harmless.
I know they will be running some similar warning labels to cigarettes.

If it closes the black market, I'm all for legalization. It only makes sense. But it needs to be done with responsibility in mind. Not just a massive revenue stream.

And I still don't know what this government plans to do about breaching the UN drug conventions, since they haven't withdrawn from them.

What percentage of the population is affected by this? It is in developing brains, I assume it is the same sense as not giving alcohol to an infant.

I agree that legalization and regulation is leaps and bounds far more effective than prohibition. In my opinion.

I personally would like to see the UN drug conventions rewritten, but I don't think we will be the only country within the UN that will not be following the rules.

All for money eh? Guess we should bring back slavery. :troll:

welfare 04-11-2018 09:21 PM

The brain develops up to the age of about 25. The highest demographic of pot smokers is 18-25. Schizophrenia is most commonly triggered from 20-30 yrs old. Not infants.
1% of the general population are diagnosed. A pretty big number if you think about it

DragonChi 04-11-2018 09:31 PM

Less risk exposure than adolescence becoming alcoholics.

1 in 100 people. The appropriate response would be to inform users of the position they put themselves in when they consume.

It wouldn't make sense to make it illegal with such a number. Ban users that exhibit symptoms.

welfare 04-11-2018 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8897799)
Less risk exposure than adolescence becoming alcoholics.

1 in 100 people. The appropriate response would be to inform users of the position they put themselves in when they consume.

It wouldn't make sense to make it illegal with such a number. Ban users that exhibit symptoms.

Being an alcoholic and being schizophrenic are VERY different. There is no cure. Only treatment.
Schizophrenia is carried genetically, and is usually triggered by an event. Some people who carry it are never triggered and it never develops.
Marijuana use doubles the chance of that trigger developing.

Mind you, with the development of crispr gene editing, they'll probably be able to resolve it. Along with every other disorder known to man.
https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/genom.../genomeediting

DragonChi 04-11-2018 10:11 PM

It could be argued that addiction is also genetic, and some people do not carry the gene or are addiction adverse. I didn't know that there was a cure for addiction either.

welfare 04-11-2018 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8897809)
It could be argued that addiction is also genetic, and some people do not carry the gene or are addiction adverse. I didn't know that there was a cure for addiction either.

Of course there's a cure. It's called will power

DragonChi 04-11-2018 11:21 PM

That's as good as a response saying, schizophrenic manifestations should be ignored, and they're cured!

N.V.M. 04-12-2018 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8897809)
It could be argued that addiction is also genetic, and some people do not carry the gene or are addiction adverse. I didn't know that there was a cure for addiction either.

its a weakness, not a disease.

welfare 04-12-2018 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8897816)
That's as good as a response saying, schizophrenic manifestations should be ignored, and they're cured!

I'm saying psychotic episodes are not a voluntary action.
Are you saying that drinking alcohol is not?

DragonChi 04-12-2018 07:31 AM

I was thinking being dope sick, or having withdrawls.

You ever try coming out of addiction? You should try it, all it takes it willpower to get out.

Sid Vicious 04-12-2018 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8897766)
Actually more relatively recent data has shown direct relation between early onset of psychosis in the developing brain and marijuana use.

I really hope our government plans on informative campaigns like they do for cigarettes and alcohol. Because most people I hear from seem to think pot is completely harmless.
I know they will be running some similar warning labels to cigarettes.

If it closes the black market, I'm all for legalization. It only makes sense. But it needs to be done with responsibility in mind. Not just a massive revenue stream.

And I still don't know what this government plans to do about breaching the UN drug conventions, since they haven't withdrawn from them.

Most of the research supports marijuana triggering psychosis or similar conditions if the user is already preconditioned for said conditions

welfare 04-12-2018 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonChi (Post 8897841)
I was thinking being dope sick, or having withdrawls.

You ever try coming out of addiction? You should try it, all it takes it willpower to get out.

i have, actually. and yes, that's all it took

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid Vicious (Post 8897849)
Most of the research supports marijuana triggering psychosis or similar conditions if the user is already preconditioned for said conditions

pretty much what i said in post 15. marijuana use doubles the chance of onset in people preconditioned. from the studies i've read

DragonChi 04-12-2018 09:04 AM

:thumbs:

Manic! 04-13-2018 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by welfare (Post 8897858)
i have, actually. and yes, that's all it took

Clearly, if you had enough willpower you would not have done drugs in the first place.


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