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FYI, 15-20 year experience Software Engineer at Amazon in Vancouver gets an average of $80-$85k + sign on Bonus + stocks.
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90% of that 3000 positions will be Software Engineer roles.
FYI, new Comp Sci Grads working as a Software Engineer at Amazon in Vancouver gets an average of $80-$85k + sign on Bonus + stocks.
Intermediate Level Engineers at Amazon in Vancouver gets around $90-$120K.
Senior Engineers at Amazon in Vancouver easily gets $120k + here.
These ain't low paying minimum wage jobs here.
There is no doubt Amazon will be hiring some local CS / EE fresh grads (and hopefully lots of coops as well); however, for a company the size and caliber such as Amazon, it'd also be silly to not expect them to hire across Canada, and in fact, across the world.
There is no doubt Amazon will be hiring some local CS / EE fresh grads (and hopefully lots of coops as well); however, for a company the size and caliber such as Amazon, it'd also be silly to not expect them to hire across Canada, and in fact, across the world.
The problem is what is the percentage?
If they are going to hire 80% of engineers from oversea, it doesn't bring much benefit to Van as a whole does it?
Isn't that kind of low paying for Vancouver though?
are you serious?
if you want "normal" paying jobs for Vancouver than you'll need 400k worth of income to afford a "normal" 2 million dollar single detached house. That's just not possible. 120k a year is still heads and tails above your average vancouverite
The median total income for households in Metro Vancouver was $72,662 (15th for census metropolitan regions across Canada) in 2015. By comparison, Calgary’s median total income was number one in Canada at $99,583, while the median household income across Canada was $70,336.
And this is households.. that usually means 2 people making 30-40k a year hitting the 72k mark. If you are in the 6 figures club in Vancouver, you are already doing very well for yourself compared to the average working guy (considering you make what 2 people make).
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3000 high quality jobs coming to Vancouver..
let's complain about something!
I'm sure neither of us have the answer for this, but how many jobs (albeit lower paying, entry level jobs like retail, etc) have been lost due to Amazon in vancouver to be replaced with those 3000? Will there be a net economic gain from amazon adding those jobs to our economy. Obviously some insanely difficult data to sort through.
I know you and I see eye to eye about the need of a basic income as a necessity for society to function in a modern, automated world. I feel a bit of spite to a company like amazon for being such a contributor to that problem and not having any accountability for a solution.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
I'm sure neither of us have the answer for this, but how many jobs (albeit lower paying, entry level jobs like retail, etc) have been lost due to Amazon in vancouver to be replaced with those 3000? Will there be a net economic gain from amazon adding those jobs to our economy. Obviously some insanely difficult data to sort through.
I know you and I see eye to eye about the need of a basic income as a necessity for society to function in a modern, automated world. I feel a bit of spite to a company like amazon for being such a contributor to that problem and not having any accountability for a solution.
Since the problem isn't strictly related to Amazon, they (along with anyone else driving towards more automation) will need some sort of incentive to cover what may happen with a universal basic income...
do you guys think that companies that are modernizing the way our society functions should be forced to subsidize a UBI for workers whos jobs become obsolete?
like amazon? or what if tesla changes the trucking industry by eliminating drivers? auto manufacturers automating assembly lines? mcdonalds mckiosking? where do you draw the line?
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I do believe that, but I'm not an economist. Its someones job with the proper education to take those numbers available and determine where that line is. Otherwise, income inequality will reach a level the world can't comprehend. The increase of automation has become exponential, and shows no sign of slowing down.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
do you guys think that companies that are modernizing the way our society functions should be forced to subsidize a UBI for workers whos jobs become obsolete?
like amazon? or what if tesla changes the trucking industry by eliminating drivers? auto manufacturers automating assembly lines? mcdonalds mckiosking? where do you draw the line?
The money has to come from somewhere... The companies doing this benefit greatly from enormous increases in profit. This comes at the expense of practically everyone else...
So how capitalist do you want to be? By not interfering at all, you're basically paving the way to corporations owning countries and literally running the world.
Can you provide some data linking automation to high poverty rates?
I mean, automation has been around for well over a century
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I'm sure neither of us have the answer for this, but how many jobs (albeit lower paying, entry level jobs like retail, etc) have been lost due to Amazon in vancouver to be replaced with those 3000?
Amazon does need some number of entry level people in the warehouses actually sending the stuff out, but from my understanding they treat them like shit.
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The money has to come from somewhere... The companies doing this benefit greatly from enormous increases in profit. This comes at the expense of practically everyone else...
So how capitalist do you want to be? By not interfering at all, you're basically paving the way to corporations owning countries and literally running the world.
isn't this pretty much already how it works? lol
the lobbying power of corporations is insane, how can anyone argue that the US gov't has the common peoples interest in mind
so if automation is causing job shortages, why are pretty much all developed countries experiencing severe labor shortages?
why do we and others (supposedly) need to import workers from other countries and are still unable to meet demand?
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and isn't it kind of ironic that the same people who argue in favor of an increased minimum wage (effectively increasing the interest for automation) are the same ones arguing that automation is killing jobs?
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so if automation is causing job shortages, why are pretty much all developed countries experiencing severe labor shortages?
why do we and others (supposedly) need to import workers from other countries and are still unable to meet demand?
There are still alot of things that humans are better than robots.
You can't replace the customer rep at timmy hoes to screw up your order for example
Also, its cheaper to bring in TFW than hire anyone local because no body wants to work at shit wages.
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most of the jobs in demand are skilled, and well payed
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There are still alot of things that humans are better than robots.
You can't replace the customer rep at timmy hoes to screw up your order for example
Also, its cheaper to bring in TFW than hire anyone local because no body wants to work at shit wages.
I see a lot of fast food joints like Mcdonalds, A&W, etc replacing order takers with self serving kioks. Same goes for a lot of other retail places like Walmart, grocery stores, etc.
Low paying mindless jobs will for sure decrease as we advance towards an automated future. However, more tech skilled labour will be needed to support these automated systems.
I work in Tech, and we have a severe labour shortage for all kinds of software engineers locally right now.
How is one to acquire the funds to buy the education required for a high skilled job if they market for low skilled fast food jobs is disappearing or wages being driven down (compared to inflation/productivity) to the point that only people from developing countries find them worthwhile?
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