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05-24-2018, 09:45 PM
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05-24-2018, 09:47 PM
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Based off that chart I'd have to pay $11 a day to go to work. Good thing I changed jobs and work closer to home now.
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05-24-2018, 10:03 PM
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In case some of you haven't seen the other option, zone distance based charges would look like this.  | |
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05-24-2018, 10:44 PM
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#29 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by Hehe  We should have gone with hub model instead of line model. Meaning we should have had all big busses/Skytrains serving major transit hubs (increased frequencies) with small buses serving locally PLUS a big parking lot for people to park their cars if they choose to drive and/or don't have service in their area.
Instead, we have buses running all around the metro and yet the coverage/frequency sucks monkey ball.
| I've seen this argument repeated many times over the years and it's actually quite mis-informed.
Our current transit system is actually a hub and spoke model. Downtown Vancouver and other town centres such as Surrey Central, Metrotown, and Bridgeport act as hubs. Bus service is actually very good in the inner suburbs and shit in the outer suburbs such as Maple Ridge and Langley. You can't build a good transit system if you don't have sufficient density. People love their single family homes on double wide lots east of Boundary Road.
Park and Rides do exist, but they aren't really viable in the long-term given the value of land anywhere west of Abbotsford. Does it make sense for the taxpayer to subsidize the cost of a park and ride when Translink could become a developer and develop a parcel of land it owns into condos?
The problem is that commuting patterns in Metro Vancouver do not reflect the hub and spoke model. Downtown Vancouver is a job centre and so is the Broadway corridor, but aside from that, there are few other job centres. People are commuting from suburb to suburb. If you live in Vancouver or an inner suburb such as Burnaby, you're most likely employed in the core. People who live outside of these areas are commuting to other suburbs. That's why this whole mobility pricing project was commissioned in the first place - our road system is no longer suitable for current commuting patterns. And before someone says why don't they just build more highways - well, rights of way are extremely expensive to acquire these days and would likely face intense opposition from basically every interest group imaginable.
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05-24-2018, 11:10 PM
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where are you getting the commuting data that people are going suburb to suburb?
the suggested pricing is ridiculous...yes it's meant to discourage you, but then what? take few hours transiting each day? sell your car so you can buy an e-bike? what about picking up the kids from games? moving closer to work isn't viable for most because it's why we're sprawling east in the first place
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05-24-2018, 11:31 PM
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The CPC (congestion point charge) and DBC (distance based charge) proposals are both ridiculously expensive, that much is obvious if you even just spend 30 seconds looking at the picture below.
Among the people I know, it is not at all uncommon to see people driving from PoCo to VGH, from Surrey to Burnaby, from Burnaby to Richmond for work. Only one of those commutes are shown in the chart below, and to me, it is not at all a coincidence why those other common routes are left out as examples.
The PoCo to VGH route slaps a $7.49 mobility charge for a 1-way drive. That means each work day's commute alone costs $15 on top of gas money. And extra $15/day?! Are you fxxking kidding me?! Given the current state of public transportation and all other possible travelling alternatives, how else is a person supposed to get from PoCo to VGH in a timely manner unless he is driving? Are we supposed to spend 2 hrs each way and change buses / Skytrain 3x just to get to work? And then do that all over again to get home? Or are we supposed to bike 2 hours each way, scorching hot and sweating like a pig in the summer, and drenched from head to toe by the rain from October to February? Is that what the provincial government / mobility pricing commission want us to do??? Quote:
Originally Posted by snowball In case some of you haven't seen the other option, zone distance based charges would look like this. |
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05-24-2018, 11:38 PM
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No chance this goes through.
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05-24-2018, 11:42 PM
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If traffic is the problem, then make Skytrain free. The problem is nothing in Canada is nationalized.
Us peons should look to solutions like car pooling ( https://www.revscene.net/forums/7084...-hard-way.html) and ways of escaping this life of servitude paying for shelter.
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05-24-2018, 11:45 PM
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#34 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero where are you getting the commuting data that people are going suburb to suburb?
the suggested pricing is ridiculous...yes it's meant to discourage you, but then what? take few hours transiting each day? sell your car so you can buy an e-bike? what about picking up the kids from games? moving closer to work isn't viable for most because it's why we're sprawling east in the first place | Here's an older study from the Vancouver Sun: Maps reveal Metro Vancouver?s commuting habits
I commute from suburb to suburb using a car. We live in the suburbs because we didn't want to live in a condo after we had kids, so this program is going to hit us pretty hard. But, I'm also not naive - something needs to be done about congestion and we are going to all have to pay whether we like it or not. Or we have to make a lifestyle choice and live in high density communities. I lived in a high density neighbourhood for many years. It's no longer my cup of tea - at least I am honest about that choice and I am willing to pay something closer to the truer cost of that choice.
If you want a high paying job, you don't have to work in downtown Vancouver. If you're a single or DINK couple, do you really need more than 800 square feet?
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05-25-2018, 02:30 AM
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Great, sell our real-estate to foreign investors (which drives up our housing crisis), tear down the viaducts, create more bike lanes and then charge and blame us for the congestion... Wtf kind of logic is that?
Property taxes are up; okay we move away from Vancouver, transit fares goes up and shitty service; no problem we can just drive to work, gas prices goes up & insurance goes up... What the hell are our options???
This is beginning to sound like a political joke. FFS, how can ANYONE afford to live here that's not filthy mainlander rich???
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05-25-2018, 02:53 AM
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05-25-2018, 06:36 AM
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If any of the suggested idea get pass is political suicide for NDP. The push back would be so hard people will want to vote them out ASAP.
If NDP even have half a brain they wouldn't do anything about it.
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05-25-2018, 07:50 AM
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What did you think was going to happen when those voted in the NDP and the two bridge tolls were removed? Typical government destroying our province again plain and simple. I'm sure those happy about the bridge tolls being removed are not so happy right now since they will be paying for then before.
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05-25-2018, 08:10 AM
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Great another source of taxation with a whole other set of costs to administer.
100 million dollars a year? Fuck you. I would rather see a property tax increase or something else. BUt introducing another tax, with another cost of administration, set up, and whole new set of staff is retarded.
We need to be consolidating the taxes we pay, not broadening them. That 100 million dollars is literally wasted money spent on setting this up.
Its a miracle to think that the NDP thought the money spent on keeping treo going was a waste, and yet would be in favour of this.
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05-25-2018, 08:11 AM
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If the BC Gov't implements this I have half a mind to say "fuck it" - cash out my shoebox condo and buy a house somewhere in umm... Texas? I'll probably be able to afford a mansion and drive my gas guzzler F350 at 85mph (140kph) legally.  https://jalopnik.com/the-glorious-85...ing-1787640990
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05-25-2018, 08:36 AM
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#41 | | reads most threads with his pants around his ankles, especially in the Forced Induction forum.
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Originally Posted by meme405 Great another source of taxation with a whole other set of costs to administer.
100 million dollars a year? Fuck you. I would rather see a property tax increase or something else. BUt introducing another tax, with another cost of administration, set up, and whole new set of staff is retarded.
We need to be consolidating the taxes we pay, not broadening them. That 100 million dollars is literally wasted money spent on setting this up.
Its a miracle to think that the NDP thought the money spent on keeping treo going was a waste, and yet would be in favour of this. | UMMM how about no to property tax increase. Is already expensive as it is. They should increase PST or increase the tax we pay on gas already.
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05-25-2018, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp UMMM how about no to property tax increase. Is already expensive as it is. They should increase PST or increase the tax we pay on gas already. | except we have the lowest property tax in north america?
lowest in canada for sure for an urban area
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05-25-2018, 09:51 AM
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If I own a home but use mainly transit, I'd be fucking pissed if I had to pay more property tax when I don't even drive. This especially applies to seniors who are no longer suited for the road.
Would much rather see increases in gas or insurance price. Would not object to insurance based on kilometers driven either; drive more, pay more makes sense. Creating all these zones just complicates things and penalizes people who live in different districts. I can't even imagine what it'd be like if I happen to live right on the border of a tolling area. If this goes through, Vancouver businesses better be more progressive when it comes to allowing staff to work from home. Cause most of them surely can't afford to drive there anymore LOL.
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05-25-2018, 09:51 AM
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So would they track it with a transponder, cameras or what?
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05-25-2018, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoon If I own a home but use mainly transit, I'd be fucking pissed if I had to pay more property tax when I don't even drive. This especially applies to seniors who are no longer suited for the road. | I'd totally agree with you if Transit wasn't subsidized mostly by people who don't use it. Remove the $0.17 per litre gas tax from everyone who drives and push that cost onto the transit users, then offer a proportional rebate on property taxes for the portion of those taxes that go to skytrain (buses use roads) to people who use transit regularly. Fairs fair right?
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05-25-2018, 10:37 AM
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#46 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by murd0c What did you think was going to happen when those voted in the NDP and the two bridge tolls were removed? Typical government destroying our province again plain and simple. I'm sure those happy about the bridge tolls being removed are not so happy right now since they will be paying for then before. | I find it surprising that people immediately blame the NDP and/or voters who voted in the NDP-Greens, because if it wasn't the NDP being in power, it would be that wicked evil imbecile woman and the Libs continuing to fxxk our province up for another 4 years. Is further selling out of our province to foreigners and developers preferable to what we are seeing now? Would you prefer to continue seeing our province becoming the international money laundering machine that it has become under Liberals rule? Did you prefer staying ignorantly happy until the ICBC dumpster fire bubble bursted?
Horgan and the NDP have certainly done some dumb stuff so far in his term. At the same time, him and the NDP have also done stuff that I think have been good for the province. It is a good standard practice to replace your governing political party every now and then. An extended run like the Liberals had was not good for anyone.
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05-25-2018, 10:51 AM
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Stay on topic about mobility pricing and the wasteful tax sucking NDP please.
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05-25-2018, 11:11 AM
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wouldn't this DBP device run into privacy law issues? the government can suddenly track where we are now? fucking insane.
congested? i don't have an issue with congestion, it's not as bad as it is if people stop fucking crashing or breaking down DURING rushhour
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This is a dumb ass idea. The cities already have huge affordability issue but lets make living more expensive. Out of touch politicians.
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05-25-2018, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoon If I own a home but use mainly transit, I'd be fucking pissed if I had to pay more property tax when I don't even drive. This especially applies to seniors who are no longer suited for the road.
Would much rather see increases in gas or insurance price. Would not object to insurance based on kilometers driven either; drive more, pay more makes sense. Creating all these zones just complicates things and penalizes people who live in different districts. I can't even imagine what it'd be like if I happen to live right on the border of a tolling area. If this goes through, Vancouver businesses better be more progressive when it comes to allowing staff to work from home. Cause most of them surely can't afford to drive there anymore LOL. | As mentioned above, that person who would be pissed about their property taxes going up when they don't even drive never complained while all of us who do drive pay taxes out the ass to pay for public transit.
I don't agree that if you drive more you should pay more. If I have driven over 15 years without an accident why should I pay more? I already pay more with gas taxes.
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