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Old 11-21-2018, 10:21 PM   #26
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90% of Canadians live by the 49th parallel

DJI flying cameras few years ago had their battery heated, i think winter temps are the least of the hurdles

the heaviest of HD work rigs will probably stay on diesel, did you even read the first sentence of the source?




how much more power is going to be generated from Site C?
Horgan is referring to zero emission vehicles that are classified as light duty passenger vehicles. That would be vehicles with a GVWR of less than 3860 kg (8500 lbs). The work trucks described in this thread would not meet that classification.

Site C will provide up to 1.1 gigawatts.
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Curious for those who plan to keep their ICE sports car/collectors car... When electric cars are the norm and everyone is driving one, where are you going to get gas for your ICE car? If there's no demand for gasoline, there's no reason to have gas stations. The ones that are left will probably charge an arm and a leg for gas.
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Horgan is referring to zero emission vehicles that are classified as light duty passenger vehicles. That would be vehicles with a GVWR of less than 3860 kg (8500 lbs). The work trucks described in this thread would not meet that classification.

Site C will provide up to 1.1 gigawatts.
damn...just .11 gigawatts and 88mph short of time travel.
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Yeah dream on. This might work in cities like Vancouver and Richmond, good luck up north. I'd love to see an electric vehicle's battery pack survive -40 temperatures all winter.

I'd also love to see the range on an electric pickup with two 700l tidy tanks (3000lb) for equipment in the bed hauling a 15000lb trailer with a skid steer on the back, 500km from the nearest "fast charge" station. Also, before the "hurrr durrr we'll build more fast charge stations", how about places where power is provided by generator? i.e every camp (logging, mining, fishing, industry) job ever. I'd just love to see the genset requirements of charging heavy equipment and trucks.

Also, the time factor. Sure you can in theory fast charge a car in 20 mins, but a piece of equipment? A one ton truck? probably an hour at least. Operations do not have an hour every 4-8 hours to charge stuff, it's 10 mins every 10 hours to fuel machines and change operators.

Sure, replace your average civic or corolla, or crv/cx5 with electric vehicles, I think we'll always have ICE trucks and sports cars.
20 years ago, you probably don't even have generators.

Your fossil-fuel run sports car and trucks will be gone. Just a matter of time.

This is just 10 years ago. Reminder how fast technology evolve.

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Your fossil-fuel run sports car and trucks will be gone. Just a matter of time.

This is just 10 years ago. Reminder how fast technology evolve.

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Computer technologies evolve very quickly, and the cel phone pic you quoted is an example of that. But many other things evolve much more slowly. Esp with vehicles, they are not cheap to buy or replace, and cars are generally quite durable nowadays. Getting 10 - 15 years of service out of a car is hardly surprising, so I'd anticipate that to move much more slowly.

The infrastructure will also need to be there to support the change. Can you imagine every gas station turning 1/2 of its space into EV recharge stations? And then you have to wait at least 15 - 30 min per vehicle instead of the current 5 min. Home owners have to install a home charger, and the total costs (including installation, and esp the installation) is not cheap. Apartments will probably need to install at least 1 charger for every 2 cars for it to be viable, and how much is the costs for that? Does the building even have the capacity to handle that level of power draw? Or worse -- where do you find space for it? I know with my old apartment, 2 rows of cars park next to each other (with the ends facing each other), and there is no space or anywhere really to install chargers. And still more people park their cars on the street. How do they charge their cars?

As I continue to turn into a bigger old geezer, I am increasingly realizing how some things can change very quickly, but others can be so change resistant that it is simple no good way to change even when the current method is not sustainable.
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what happens if when we make the shift from fuel to electric,on a massive scale, greatly disrupting the economy (ours especially), and it has exactly zero positive effect on climate? What will they say then?
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also how do we have a trump thread, who realistically doesn't have very much affect on our lives, which is nothing more than manic and welfare yapping at eachother... but we don't have a BC/Canadian politics thread? theres enough nonsense going on daily to make that the most active thread on RS easily
I agree. You should start one.

Hypa started a bitch about the ndp thread already some months back. Which, let's be honest, is ultimately what it'd end up resulting in.
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what happens if when we make the shift from fuel to electric,on a massive scale, greatly disrupting the economy (ours especially), and it has exactly zero positive effect on climate? What will they say then?
That's a good point.

I read somewhere that Canada's total greenhouse gas emissions make up 1.6% of the world emissions. Vehicle emissions are maybe 1/3 of that, and BC's is smaller still.

So what is going to be the economic result to our country from the massive costs of all this for the fraction of a percent of greenhouse gas emissions we produce?

I dunno, can't help but think it's all pretty meaningless unless we can convince those countries with the big populations and no environmental protections to speak of to follow suit, otherwise we're just penalizing ourselves for nothing.
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That's even assuming climate change is man made.
Personally, I'm not entirely convinced.
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Put together AI, new battery technology (like the solid state battery), charging network, ride sharing, and more efficient gas engines. You can picture in the next 10 years, EV will carry smaller and lighter weight batteries that can travel a longer distance.

AI and charging network probably can make EV easier to operate, or even generate money for you while the car is at rest and not being used (if our law allows full autonomous ride).

5G or 6G should let you control everything with your cellphone or the car itself can find its way home or destination.

and how do you get gas in the future? the arabian and albertian will find ways to reach their customers, maybe some crazy scientists can turn your poop into gas, who knows.

Our government should expand and build a more efficient public transit network rather than doing silly things.
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what happens if when we make the shift from fuel to electric,on a massive scale, greatly disrupting the economy (ours especially), and it has exactly zero positive effect on climate? What will they say then?
Forget the environment. Just look at the money saved from not buying gas.
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Forget the environment. Just look at the money saved from not buying gas.
Mineral fuels make up 20% of Canada's exports.
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That's life. Things always change.
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Computer technologies evolve very quickly, and the cel phone pic you quoted is an example of that. But many other things evolve much more slowly. Esp with vehicles, they are not cheap to buy or replace, and cars are generally quite durable nowadays. Getting 10 - 15 years of service out of a car is hardly surprising, so I'd anticipate that to move much more slowly.

The infrastructure will also need to be there to support the change. Can you imagine every gas station turning 1/2 of its space into EV recharge stations? And then you have to wait at least 15 - 30 min per vehicle instead of the current 5 min. Home owners have to install a home charger, and the total costs (including installation, and esp the installation) is not cheap. Apartments will probably need to install at least 1 charger for every 2 cars for it to be viable, and how much is the costs for that? Does the building even have the capacity to handle that level of power draw? Or worse -- where do you find space for it? I know with my old apartment, 2 rows of cars park next to each other (with the ends facing each other), and there is no space or anywhere really to install chargers. And still more people park their cars on the street. How do they charge their cars?

As I continue to turn into a bigger old geezer, I am increasingly realizing how some things can change very quickly, but others can be so change resistant that it is simple no good way to change even when the current method is not sustainable.
You guys keep using outcome of today tech and apply it to the future and claim it won't be feasible. What if I tell you in 10-20 years, you can fast-charge a car battery from 10% to 80-90% in 5-10 minutes much like your cellphone today? There might not even be charging stations like gas station since there is no fuel tanks to maintain. Stations can be a lot smaller. Self-driving tech will be a whole new level (I would think won't be ready for mainstream in 20 years because of regulatory hurdles).

Point is infrastructure evolve quicker than you think. When the majority of vehicles are EVs as there are money to be made by providing new services for these EVs. 20 years ago, Internet is a niche. Today it is almost a necessity with tons of services born to support it, globally.

I would think many fossil fuel related jobs will be gone too, replaced by clean-tech related jobs. Money will drive changes and wipe out resistance.

Recognize though that Canada's industry rely so much on natural resources. I think the government are trying to change it with a lot of investments and initiatives in the tech sector. We either have to adapt or become broke I would think.

That being said, I'm also old-school and enjoy the roar of a V8 very much. Just recognize that changes are inevitable.
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Nlkko,

I'd have to say I am far more pessimistic than you are when it comes to battery and re-charging tech. Your cell phone tech example is not particularly convincing because we are only dealing with jumps from 5V @ 0.5A (ie. 2.5W) to 5 - 20V @ 5A (ie. max of 100W), so those are all pretty small numbers, and it is easy to scale up when the numbers are small. But when you are scaling up from 110V - 220V to 480V - 1000V+ at 100A+, the requirements and difficulties become far greater, meaning progress becomes much slower.

I'd be very happy to be proven wrong, but until I see them out in the consumers' hands, I won't believe in their feasibility.
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good luck with this one.....The massive Car Batteries aren't just one big Chemical pile that we can dump in our land fill right after its broken down right?.


Nobody questions what happens with the after effect of driving a Electric car with 4000 re-charges.
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dont give a rat's ass about fast charging in phones as it degrades battery life much faster
bring on wireless charging for every stall/street parking/garage though...charging at work, at the mall, etc and not fighting for a stupid EV port
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dont give a rat's ass about fast charging in phones as it degrades battery life much faster
bring on wireless charging for every stall/street parking/garage though...charging at work, at the mall, etc and not fighting for a stupid EV port
I wonder how quick the overhead wires can charge a EV.

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bring on wireless charging for every stall/street parking/garage though...charging at work, at the mall, etc and not fighting for a stupid EV port
Wireless makes it massively less efficient though. Really I think something like a hydrogen fuel cell is the ideal solution so hopefully not too much is dumped into recharging batteries since that's a wasteful and temporary option at best.
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Think about this: the electrical networks (in residential areas) were calculated 50-60 years ago to normal consumption (lights, fridge and tv). Now imagine the everything is electrical - you get a multi storage building with electricity consumption of mini-factory, as is most cars are charging at night simultaneously... good luck to deal with it...
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Until we as a planet can come to a more resourceful means of charging vehicles, we are going to juice the shit out of all our resources until something else becomes our new reality.

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I was literally listening to Huey Lewis and the News "Power of Love" when I read this!
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wouldn't mind if the gov products a nice incentive for electric car purchases. But knowing Canada, instead of giving an incentive they'll probably start taxing the shit out of gas cars
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