Canadian politics thread

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

You think someone on the street in Mexico is getting a welfare cheque?

Now we are looking at Mexico for homelessness solutions? Those people are getting jobs as drug mules, stealing from tourists, or jumping border fences to the US. I guess that's an option.
Mexicos murder rate is like 14x that of Canada.

[Hondaracer]

I was using Mike’s post as a comparison.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

What do we actually expect to happen with homelessness?
Keep in mind, I'm center right but generally vote center left.

Here are some ground truths:

They’ll keep coming to Vancouver—good weather.
Numbers rise when the economy tanks.
Jail’s expensive and doesn’t help.
Rehab helps a bit, but it’s costly.
Hospitals? Same deal.

To me, the fix is either a stronger economy or real changes to housing and self-sufficiency. $10/day daycare boosts productivity and tax revenue. Add upzoning like Austin to cut housing costs by 25% and you’re on your way.

I agree with this completely.

Many believe that those already on the streets, deep in habitual drug use are pretty much already a lost cause, assigning resources to those people is ultimately a game of wack-a-mole.

As opposed to reactionary, and yes it sounds cliché, we should emphasize proactive policy.

That means more affordable housing for families, and as you mentioned, childcare supports, strong public education systems, these are the facets that hopefully will stem the tide of the future generations of homeless and disenfranchised.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Safe injection sites, SRO’s, safe supply, welfare cheques

Do I need to continue?

You think someone on the street in Mexico is getting a welfare cheque?

Mexico does have welfare

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Because people know there aren’t societal safety nets that will enable their lifestyles? When I was in PV a couple months back we went out fishing with a local guide and his son. My dad remarked that there were no police where we were staying and there was hardly any presence at all of the police or military in all of PV. The local guide who grew up right next to the resort and had live there his whole life said it’s because the cartel handles all the issues. He said if you want drugs and you asked me where to buy them, you’re dealing with Carlos and Carlos alone. If someone else came in and started selling drugs outside of the designated guy, he’d be dead within the week. Same goes for theft or other general disorder. I’d say it’s. or really a direct comparable but I get what you’re saying.

However, inn Canada, we literally have organizations backing the right for addicts and homeless to live the way they do? lol

I agree wholeheartedly in regards to the familiar issues of western society. But we are at a point where now you are even seeing Indian guys, Asian guys, among the homeless addicts.

The guy who killed the RCMP officer was Chinese.

It’s kind of becoming a bigger issue than simply the family values

So we should just become a narco state like Mexico to solve our issue? lol ok I've heard of Fascist sympathizers and Tankies but Narco state sympathizers? That's a new one to me.

Btw, killer of the RCMP officer was Korean. The RCMP officer herself was Chinese. A lot of Koreans come here alone as students with less familial support than the typical Chinese immigrant. The guy was a total schizoid, he had mental health issues.

[Hondaracer]

Undiagnosed, unsupported, mental illness and homeless, tracks.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I agree with this completely.

Many believe that those already on the streets, deep in habitual drug use are pretty much already a lost cause, assigning resources to those people is ultimately a game of wack-a-mole.

As opposed to reactionary, and yes it sounds cliché, we should emphasize proactive policy.

That means more affordable housing for families, and as you mentioned, childcare supports, strong public education systems, these are the facets that hopefully will stem the tide of the future generations of homeless and disenfranchised.

1000%, we have to divert resources toward strengthening families and communities to take better care of our own, and educate people for the future. Hard agree that reactive measures don't seem effective nor efficient, with resources we're already starved for.

Can you run for some kind of office? I'd vote for you.

[Hondaracer]

You know who focuses on family values?….

[RabidRat]

RabidRat goes to the polls and votes Conservative.

[68style]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

Where did I write "broke loser" ? Do you have dementia?

I will continue advocating for people to work harder in school so they don't get stuck in a useless program with extremely limited job prospects.

Arts & Humanities....dead last.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r...016023-eng.cfm

Mike's using 2 words to encompass your opinion on this subject and they're accurate. You may not have said the exact works "broke" and "loser" but you have several times stated someone is financially limited with a BA and that it's shitty and they're less than a tradesperson and they are going to end up at a nothing job. Broke loser seems a pretty apt summation of that bias. You also, really stupidly, like to assume anyone who disagrees with you has an arts degree. You've accused supafamous and mike of that.

Long story short you come off, at least in this thread, as a troll and a bit of a shitty person, just like he already ascertained I doubt you'd talk to any of us the same way in real life that's for sure.

Here's a couple of samples for you:

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

Did I stutter? A BA is virtually useless. You have a less than 5% chance of finding a job that is relevant to your degree with a shitty BA degree. Maybe if you are lucky and go to grad school, it increases your chances of finding a job relevant to your degree like Carney did. More often than not though, you just dig the debt hole deeper and become over qualified for a job at Chuck E Cheese.

Just LOL @ BA degrees and those who defend it Do you have a gender studies degree or something?

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

Just LOL @ brahs trying to defend shitty arts degrees.

The odds of finding a job with a shitty arts degree in your field of study is extremely low according to StatsCan, obviously.

I have more respect for people going into the trades than someone pursuing a laughable arts degree.

[noclue]

How are the homeless migrating to vancouver now that greyhound is no more?

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

You know who focuses on family values?….

The NDP

[68style]

Originally Posted by noclue

How are the homeless migrating to vancouver now that greyhound is no more?

Your sky bus, $60 one way lol

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

1000%, we have to divert resources toward strengthening families and communities to take better care of our own, and educate people for the future. Hard agree that reactive measures don't seem effective nor efficient, with resources we're already starved for.

Can you run for some kind of office? I'd vote for you.

FWIW, a fair counterpoint is that I might seem removed from the downtown homelessness situation.

But I’ve actually been spending time down there regularly since 2019—even during the pandemic in 2020 and 2021 for dance classes and DJing, when everything on the strip was shut down.
I’m still there at least 3 times a week when I’m in Vancouver, usually spending the day.
The S2K or company car gets street parked, sometimes right in front of one of those SRO hotels.

The worst part was really the 3AM ambulances ripping down Nelson.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

You make good points and I agree. However, I think this blanket opinion people like Skinny have that PP and the cons = Trump is not the case.

These conservative values and the platform of the Canadian Conservative Party does not align with Trumps BS. Can you actually sit here and look at the Canadian Conservative Party and think its members are simply out for personal financial gain like the republicans?

They cannot wield influence on the markets, they have no ability to control foreign policy. Canada is largely ineffective as a nation to wield influence on anyone. Yet you think everyone is just in this for personal gain? Personally I don’t see it.

I don't think that's the only measure of "More for me, less for thee". I would agree that the Canadian Cons are not a bunch of criminals who steal from others like nearly all Republicans (and some Dems too) but their general philosophy around trickle down economics and "pulling up your bootstraps" (both debunked ideas that only serve to harm the poor and middle class) are classic make the rich richer schemes that are deeply shared between Canadian and American Conservatives.

The right leaning side of the Cons are full of hypocrisy when it comes to family values, patriotism, or even building the middle class - these are not the Progressive Cons of Brian Mulroney or John Diefenbaker, these Cons are closer to amoral con artists like Danielle Smith than they are to traditional Conservatives.

[Hondaracer]

Can you quantify any of that?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by RevYouUp

People want change, if you're fine with the status quo continue to vote Liberals

Sound like a Trump voter

You want that for Canada?

[RabidRat]

Hey how come there are no parties in Canada on the bottom left or top right?

I think CivicBlues brought up at least the latter - I would've thought Canada would be full of Ron Swansons.

What about economically progressive and socially conservative?

[Manic!]

Dude I went to high school with. He went off the alt right deep end pasting about Pizza gate and stuff. It's sad to see. If the cons lose I could see someone like him turning violent.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

Hey how come there are no parties in Canada on the bottom left or top right?

I think CivicBlues brought up at least the latter - I would've thought Canada would be full of Ron Swansons.

What about economically progressive and socially conservative?

I think the far top right quadrant is basically a confused idiot or one of those Commie Nazis I keep hearing about.

Bottom left are libertarians, which is another can of worms altogether.

Edit: ack I'm reading the whole thing wrong

[westopher]

Bottom left would be the Soviet Union.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Can you quantify any of that?

Like the convoy (patriotism, hypocrisy)? Like the Alberta Health Services scandal? Like COVID/vaccine denial (getting their shots but telling people not to - actively killing people)? BC Liberal money laundering?

The Conservative Party, like the Liberal Party, is a big tent party but it's controlled by the far right side of the party. Decent, capable, moderate leaders like Erin O'Toole get pushed out for not being radical enough. Folks who used to be somewhat moderate (ok, only sorta) like Manning and Harper are now full on MAGA/Far Right advocates. The same thing has happened with the BC Liberal party (now BC Conservative Party) - the nuts have taken over, Rustad who was ejected from the BC Liberal party now looks like a moderate (he's so far from it - he can barely accept vaccine science).

The line has shifted so much and been accompanied with so much divisive rhetoric, misinformation (is there a left version of True North or Rebel News that trades entirely in misinformation?) that we forget that what a Conservative used to be. Carney is, by and large, in the same part of the political spectrum as Mulroney and Diefenbaker and that spectrum now lies with folks like John Horgan!

[Manic!]

English debate.

YouTube

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Dude I went to high school with. He went off the alt right deep end pasting about Pizza gate and stuff. It's sad to see. If the cons lose I could see someone like him turning violent.

I really don't like the cons, but for people like this to think that the Conservative Party represents their values is so delusional. The Conservative Party and its voters need to tell people like this that they hate them just as much as liberals do.
What a fuckin loser.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Manic!

English debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqmPWdfR4BA

I think each party leader should be required to wear the colours of their parties to the debate instead of all wearing navy blue suits. It'd be awesome.