Canadian politics thread

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I’ve always said, if you can actually fix it, I’ll pay whatever.

Why can’t we look at better models to base our own off rather than just be like well.. the states doesn’t work so why try anything new.

I think the model of privatization and paying more to access it while also using the same private infrastructure to improve access on the public side does have merit.

I agree with you, but the unfortunate part, is we've got to fund it to build it instead of the other way around. Funding can either mean larger deficits, or bigger taxes now instead of later to pay for those deficits. Do you believe Canadians will accept that? We both agree that we will, but considering people talk about how we "have the highest taxes in the world" or we are "taxed into poverty" or whatever else, I don't think the average Canadian understands that enough to get behind it.
More privatization isn't the answer, or at least currently I think it isn't, because we have a people shortage. If we don't have enough doctors in the public system, how will we have enough in the public system when a private system comes in.
It's just going to take 100/0 and turn it into 80/20 or whatever ratio ends up. It doesn't address needing more bodies to function.
You could put 5 billion into healthcare tomorrow and it wouldn't have anything to buy unfortunately.

[Hondaracer]

You don’t think if a private clinic could run and charge for an MRI machine 24/7 someone wouldn’t open up a dozen instantly? Seems like Stuff like CT, MRI, most scans you could just open to the private sector and they could stand alone on their own profits

The incentive has to be there, I just don’t think there will ever be the will even attempt It though

[westopher]

Double post fuck you yray lol.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

You don’t think if a private clinic could run and charge for an MRI machine 24/7 someone wouldn’t open up a dozen instantly? Seems like Stuff like CT, MRI, most scans you could just open to the private sector and they could stand alone on their own profits

The incentive has to be there, I just don’t think there will ever be the will even attempt It though

Scans are already open to the private sector. Funny enough there are a dozen in BC. There's a list here: https://www.findprivateclinics.ca/Br...-2-0-19-0.html

An MRI was about $900 a decade ago, idk what they cost now.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

You don’t think if a private clinic could run and charge for an MRI machine 24/7 someone wouldn’t open up a dozen instantly? Seems like Stuff like CT, MRI, most scans you could just open to the private sector and they could stand alone on their own profits

The incentive has to be there, I just don’t think there will ever be the will even attempt It though

Lots of portions of healthcare already exist privately. MRI as mentioned. My mother in law is paying 25k to get a hip replacement in Canada, so she doesn't have to wait a year.
Don't forget lifelabs, those guys are fucking super. I'd love to have my bloodwork go missing and have all my medical records cyberbreached in the same appointment.
Huge fan of the for profit senior care that killed everyone during COVID too.
Good example of the American model that's already creeped in here. There at least needs to be higher standards for this private care. Profits and helping people doesn't exactly coexist well.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

You don’t think if a private clinic could run and charge for an MRI machine 24/7 someone wouldn’t open up a dozen instantly? Seems like Stuff like CT, MRI, most scans you could just open to the private sector and they could stand alone on their own profits

The incentive has to be there, I just don’t think there will ever be the will even attempt It though

Who is going to run the machines? We don't have enough MRI tech's.

[pastarocket]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Who is going to run the machines? We don't have enough MRI tech's.

Temporary Foreign Workers.

TFW’s who are hired to work in Canada and applying for permanent residency.

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[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Who is going to run the machines? We don't have enough MRI tech's.

Robots and AI could.

[Badhobz]

^those fucks cant even make a sandwich!!!

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

^those fucks cant even make a sandwich!!!

Duh, women were invented for that!

[Badhobz]

not the women around me... these bitches cant even make instant noodles.

[underscore]

What about the gym lady?

[Manic!]

Fuck this shit.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

not the women around me... these bitches cant even make instant noodles.

My daughter is able to cook a fried egg in butter, cracking the egg one-handed without getting any shell in the pan, since she was 6 years old. Never even burned herself! Except once on hot toast.

[Manic!]

What's the difference between a toilet and pierre poilievre?

Spoiler!

Both are full of shit but one has a seat.

[BIC_BAWS]

Saw Dark post this in the Electric/Hybrid thread and it got me thinking..

Originally Posted by dark0821

So just like the Federal Rebate - the BC rebate is ending "pausing" after May 15th.

https://goelectricbc.gov.bc.ca/rebat...rebate-offers/


So for the Kona EV, its more now or never, in 2 weeks the Kona EV is gonna be $4,000 more expensive~

time and time again, I keep hearing about how your taxes don't do anything to benefit you or vice versa.. where the fuck do you people think these EV rebates come from LOL. Thank god we're pulling the plug and not funding this anymore. Imo if you can afford an electric car (outside of the ultra cheap Fiat 500e as of late), you can afford it without financial assistance. Especially, if you can afford to upgrade infastructure in your home.

Though on the other hand, this may have been a good example of how subsidies kick start an economy or industry. It clearly worked. A lot of people switched to EVs. EV adoption is a lot higher. Hell we see more Teslas on the road than Honda Civics.

[bcrdukes]

Fuck you guys. I overcontributed to my RRSP so you could get an EV rebate and I don't even live in BC and I don't even like EVs!

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

Saw Dark post this in the Electric/Hybrid thread and it got me thinking..



time and time again, I keep hearing about how your taxes don't do anything to benefit you or vice versa.. where the fuck do you people think these EV rebates come from LOL. Thank god we're pulling the plug and not funding this anymore. Imo if you can afford an electric car (outside of the ultra cheap Fiat 500e as of late), you can afford it without financial assistance. Especially, if you can afford to upgrade infastructure in your home.

Though on the other hand, this may have been a good example of how subsidies kick start an economy or industry. It clearly worked. A lot of people switched to EVs. EV adoption is a lot higher. Hell we see more Teslas on the road than Honda Civics.

Kinda doubt the discounts did much to drive the market.

Tesla did a better job advertising the “savings” that an EV provides with their gas rebates built into the pricing than the govt. did

HOV lane access, govt subsidized, no road taxes collected on fuel, and we hugely missed the mark on BC’s “climate goals” yay

With all the “green” initiatives we pumped into, we missed our goals by HALF

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/0...ssions-target/

[Jason00S2000]

Two women stabbed in the face, neck, and arms...

No jail time!!!

[Jason00S2000]

Twitter X

A guillotine?

A crowd beating an effigy with bats?

What's going on in Montreal?

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

Saw Dark post this in the Electric/Hybrid thread and it got me thinking..

Though on the other hand, this may have been a good example of how subsidies kick start an economy or industry.

time and time again, I keep hearing about how your taxes don't do anything to benefit you or vice versa.. where the fuck do you people think these EV rebates come from LOL. Thank god we're pulling the plug and not funding this anymore.

Yeah, subsidizing passenger cars is a fat L because EV is more expensive than hybrid in most of North America.
We are keeping subsidies for the big wins - school buses, garbage trucks, TransLink, pickups where payoff is almost instant.

Thing is though, supporting final assembly plants, supply chains, and EV batteries are Canada's #1 manufacturing sector.
Even if we don't subsidize at point of sale, other countries like China will keep subsidizing in a less visible way at the manufacturing/R&D level.

If we stop while others continue, we'll just end up losing high skill jobs, plants, and R&D funding in industry/academia.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

Especially, if you can afford to upgrade infastructure in your home.

Most homes don’t need upgrades.
Regular outlet gets 100km overnight - $2 compared to $20 in gas for RAV4.
A one time 5 minute, $30 outlet swap boosts that to 180km.

Sure, I was extra - paid $2k to upgrade from 1.2kW to 12kw.
But it pays for itself in 2 weeks compared to gas truck or 18 months compared to public charging.
We're getting $150 gas a night for $15.

[AstulzerRZD]

Hell we see more Teslas on the road than Honda Civics.

Your 9th gen has to be approaching 200k km at this point right?
With 2022-24 numbers:

Compared to Civic LX in BC
- Gas savings make up price difference: 50k with subsidy/110k without
- Gas savings make up entire cost of Model 3: 240/290k km

Compared to 3 series
- Gas savings make up entire cost of Model 3: 120k/160k km

The Lightning is a free truck after 130k km without subsidy.
Free truck after 112k km with subsidy.

I don't like driving EVs but man, short of like a GR Corolla/Type R/Elantra N, case for gas car getting pretty slim these days even without subsidy.

[unit]

oh god will somebody please think of the paper mache man!

[JDMDreams]

Are they still doing that 2030 no gas thing? No way they are getting there if they don't subsidize or let China cars in