Canadian politics thread

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Great68

500kVA Single Phase transformers exist Secondary voltage can be whatever you want. So it might not be a "telsa supercharger" but sure enough some other brand is more than capable of making a product that works. This is not some insurmountable problem.

Ever seen one of these out in the wild?

[Traum]

Dude, you're dealing with CoV now. Of course you are going to get 3-phase service bcos it is possible and feasible to get it. How can you use your experience in dealing with CoV, a decidedly urban area, as your reason that remote and rural charging locations must also use 3-phase service?

They are literally 2 different beasts that should be served by 2 totally different solutions.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Reading a bit into Tesla superchargers, each charger is rated at 192 amps. And in the states, they are powered by a 277y480V system which we do not have in BC any longer.

People on these Tesla forums who build these sites are also saying that any station with 6-8 stalls require a 500KVA+ transformer, which is only supplied by 3 phase, at least in BC.

The theory may say one thing, but I implore you to find a charging site with more than 1 charger that’s installed by a municipality that uses single phase.

Won’t get into it too deep but I’m dealing with CoV on a few sites and there isn’t a single one using a single phase service.

[AstulzerRZD]

What did these three sites require power wise?

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Ever seen one of these out in the wild?

What does that matter? The point is that options exist should we need them.
The ability to step voltage and power up and down where we need to is something we solved a hundred years ago.

This could be the difference between one or two fast chargers in a remote location already serviced by single phase, versus zero.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

What did these three sites require power wise?

3 phase, albeit overhead but those 3 transformers are dedicated to the chargers as it’s at the end of that pole line

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Traum

Dude, you're dealing with CoV now. Of course you are going to get 3-phase service bcos it is possible and feasible to get it. How can you use your experience in dealing with CoV, a decidedly urban area, as your reason that remote and rural charging locations must also use 3-phase service?

They are literally 2 different beasts that should be served by 2 totally different solutions.

Every municipality is the same.

The reasoning is obviously they don’t want a bottle neck when they’re paying out the ass for chargers they will never recoup the costs on.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Great68

What does that matter? The point is that options exist should we need them.
The ability to step voltage and power up and down where we need to is something we solved a hundred years ago.

This could be the difference between one or two fast chargers in a remote location already serviced by single phase, versus zero.

Well.. you can say the options exist but I’ve never seen or heard of anyone using that big of overhead transformers.

In BC that would involve providing a primary service and then private transformation and everything that involves. You can say the options are out there but no one does this for EV chargers (currently)

I’m not just trying to argue I’m just laying out the facts that we have a very rigid approach to EV charging in BC. Almost no one is doing these odd-ball requests to install chargers because it’s again, prohibitively expensive.

Also, for private chargers, the electrical tariff says you cannot charge for power provided, you can only bill for time plugged in. That’s why all these one off chargers bill based on time not consumption. So to that end, it’s a bit of the Wild West in terms of cost and any actual savings to be had for the consumer.

[Jason00S2000]

Liberace himself tongue-punching your fartbox in a sequined thong on a bed woven from the pubes of rainbow unicorns, while "It’s Raining Men" blares from a disco ball powered by Freddie Mercury’s ghost while you're high above a pride parade in a throbbing, veiny, chrome-plated cock-blimp with RuPaul as your co-pilot, even that circus of glitter and prostate stimulation is but a mere hint of gay compared to the soul-sundering, completely dickless experience of driving an EV.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

3 phase, albeit overhead but those 3 transformers are dedicated to the chargers as it’s at the end of that pole line

Gotcha so if I'm hearing you right..

1) these stations seem to avoid trenching because some of the transformer is on the overhead line?

2) these are 3 phase power

What's the cost for these 3 similar sites look like? They each offer ~6-700kW of max charge rate.

[AstulzerRZD]

The reasoning is obviously they don’t want a bottle neck when they’re paying out the ass for chargers they will never recoup the costs on.

Yep, very hard to be profitable since the equipment is expensive.

Most of the US charging network is Electrify America that VW built for the Dieselgate settlement.

48c/kwh is a pretty good deal at most of their sites but nothing can beat Tesla prices in the PNW and Vancouver: 25c/kwh is insane.

[Hondaracer]

Max BC hydro will provide is 3x100KVA for over head like that. Unless you get into private transformation like I mentioned above where you as the customer is assuming the transformation side of it

Whereas they have up to 700KVA and higher for big pad mounted transformers

That 1 pole, the 3 transformers, and the dip underground to feed the chargers could cost like.. 150 to 250k

[AstulzerRZD]

so assuming 3x100kVA and we have 208V ... if my math is right we have 300kW or so available?

the Lytton site at the end of the pole says they have 4x180kW plugs available, so I assume they're really power splitting to (300/4) 75kW max if all 4 are used at once.

Roughly lines up with what people are reporting: https://www.plugshare.com/location/653142



For something like this, I assume the transformer is the box in the middle and they've had to trench to install that on the pad along with the additional chargers. Is something like this more like a 1M project?

[Hondaracer]

Depends on what the chargers cost but ya a kiosk like that, plus some civil work, you’re probably 200-300,000 without the chargers or transformers.

It’s really variable because there are so many factors. Also with BC hydro you have potential to get money back if other customers connect to their infrastructure. In the case of most of these chargers the transformers are still considered shared, as in anyone else could potentially connect to them, however, odds of that happening are slim given the location etc.

[68style]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

It was never an EV target - was always just hybrid/PHEV/EV for light duty passenger cars and trucks.

Medium and heavy duty vehicles were always exempt.

This isn’t entirely accurate, PHEV and EV were considered green by the government, Hybrids were NOT. They flip flopped back and forth on it but ultimately they aren’t being counted.

Also from a program that orders 75% of its fleet in light duty trucks (which is anything from an F-150 to F-350) they’re not exempt. F-150 or Q11 class for the government is a mandatory Lightning or Silverado EV order and every 3/4 tonne Q81 and 1 tonne Q91 requires a business case explaining why it can’t be reduced to a Lightning and has to still be a gas or diesel with full rationale and multiple levels of signatures.

[AstulzerRZD]

Hybrids were NOT. They flip flopped back and forth on it but ultimately they aren’t being counted.

oh interesting, so it needs to have a charging plug huh? I feel most PHEV are way more hassle than the benefit you get from them unless they fast charge.

Even Paris and London's restricted zone only really requires hybrids; PHEV/EV only seems kind of extreme.

F-150 or Q11 class for the government is a mandatory Lightning or Silverado EV order and every 3/4 tonne Q81 and 1 tonne Q91 requires a business case explaining why it can’t be reduced to a Lightning and has to still be a gas or diesel with full rationale and multiple levels of signatures.

What about the panel vans? The Transit/Sprinter options look kinda awful.

How are the Silverado EVs holding up?

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

Yeah the math is totally confusing - answering your question a directly, for 20k kms a year:
- Model 3: $300 BC Hydro per year
- Lightning: $600 / $1200 Towing
vs.
- Civic LX: $2400
- F-150 5.0: $6000 / $11000 Towing

My breakeven adds in the additional cost of electricity ... here's my math
1) Civic LX is 19c/km
2) Model 3 uses 15kWh/100km, 3.5c/km at home
3) Model 3 public charging is 14c/km

The counterpoint here is that you MUST drive an EV a lot in 8-10 yrs to make your money back.
Batteries only have a 10 year or so life span because calendar again is 60-80% of wear.
Charging/cycles/heat is only 20-40%.

Curious, are you an accountant? This post and the previous one, your math/calculation is astounding!

[bcrdukes]

No, he's just Asian and naturally good at math.

[jing]

2025 Civic LX

Factory rated in the city at 7.3L/100km aka 13.5km/L

Current gas price $1.50/L aka $0.11/km

Gas prices would need to be $2.60/L to be $0.19/km, no?

Am I missing something?

[Jason00S2000]

Twitter X

Well boys, sounds like some eco-commie stuff will be on the menu shortly!

[westopher]

That's pretty vague to get worried about.
"We want to make the economy better"
NO CONMIE NO

[Jason00S2000]

https://cheknews.ca/vicpd-seeks-witn...toria-1253019/



Gettin' stabby out on the island!

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by jing

2025 Civic LX

Factory rated in the city at 7.3L/100km aka 13.5km/L

Current gas price $1.50/L aka $0.11/km

Gas prices would need to be $2.60/L to be $0.19/km, no?

Am I missing something?

was assuming 8 cuz I never get factory rated in Vancouver in a gas car, $1.7, then add a couple cents for oil change/brakes/whatever.
.19 might be a bit high.

the Tesla numbers I quoted from 2022-24 specifically, when they were still selling RWD and getting 5k incentive.
these days with only LR AWD and no incentive, the breakeven/payoff is impossible.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Curious, are you an accountant? This post and the previous one, your math/calculation is astounding!

nah I just drove a few evs and specced a couple out for my parents' biz

product manager by day

[Badhobz]

^nERD !!!!!!!^

[StylinRed]

Not sure if I should post it here or in the Trump thread but Australia just had its election and the Liberal Party lost (their conservatives) and their leader, Peter Dutton (Trump supporter), also lost his seat

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2744284.html