Canadian politics thread

[Hondaracer]

Fix -anything-

Affordability, the economy, housing, addiction, homelessness. Literally anything and I’ll give them credit. If everything continues the trend of the past decade, why should anyone give them credit?

Although it feels disgusting to have to credit a party in fixing issues THEY created lol.. fucking gross

Anyone up for a bet? I’ll bet anyone $500 the liberals miss their housing targets. 3 weeks into a platform and you already know it will be a failure? #Progress

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

NDP had no power either with what 26 NDP members in last Parliament but they got 100x more done (whether you agree with their vision or not) than all of what 124 Cons MPs !!

Yea.. you side with the side that has power. That’s the only leverage they could have and in turn it destroyed the party.

[Jason00S2000]

Anybody can get it... randomly assaulted... even a mom pushing a stroller!

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/stra...t-mom-stroller

YouTube

[Traum]

It is true that there is no way we can pivot away from the US in the short term. The medium term outcome will depend on how much the Carney-led gov can achieve, and if he can stay in power long enough, the next federal election will be the equivalent of grading time for him and his government.

The short term outcome that I expect from the Carney gov is removal of inter-provincial trade barrier. Carney has set himself a target of July or Aug this year for the removal of all federal trade barriers between the provinces. That will be an early test of how effective he and his gov are.

As far as the US gripes are concerned, I don't expect any changes will be made on our supply management systems as well as our banking regulations. The former has far too much political sway and lobbying power, so no political entity would dare to try gutting them in any shape or form. Our banking regs probably stifles new competition to a certain extent, but the flip side of it is -- the system is very stable. Given how Carney has a first hand intimate understanding of how our banking system works, I think it'd be difficult for anyone to sway or challenge him to implement changes in the banking sector that he doesn't want to see -- he is going to be able to come up with strong and convincing reasons to shut down opposing views.

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

This "friendly tone" could have been established a month ago when Carney became Prime Minister. The negotiations should have started a month ago and as a result Canada has lost valuable time. There was no reason to delay this until after the election, which ultimately hurts Canada's economy.

I live in the reality where Canada cannot just pivot away from the USA in the short or medium term. Our trade infrastructure is not developed enough to expand trade with Asia or Europe. It takes years to understand local trade regulations, build connections and networks. It doesn't really make too much sense for a Canadian firm to retool for a new market while abandoning an established market they know well.

I was expecting Carney to be far more prepared than he actually was. His comments may have offered you some sort of emotional satisfaction, but it is not an end in and of itself. We should have some sort of willingness to address any legit concerns that come from the USA in order for Canada to drive the negotiations forward.

There are policies like: Digital Services Tax, Online Streaming Act, foreign ownership in Banks that will probably be at the centre of any negotiation. These concerns didn't suddenly appear under Trump, Biden wanted to address it too. Canada could align with OECD frameworks and that would satisfy US concerns without any real downsides for us. We could change banking ownership in Canada to introduce more competition from foreign banks. Canada has room to negotiate to ultimately get rid of the tariffs.

[supafamous]

https://x.com/whitehouse/status/1919...BXGGzdZwUeAfbw

Even the White House is making videos hyping Carney and his visit.

[mikemhg]

It's so odd watching some people in this thread critique a 30 minute meeting with Trump.

What did you expect Carney to do, punch Trump in the face? Do some people seriously think politics is the WWE?

If anything I think he handled the meeting quite well, the trick with Trump as a classic narcissist is to let him spew his crap, don't argue on camera, don't interrupt him.

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. At the end of the day, Carney is right, they're our largest trading partner, you won't get anywhere being confrontational at the jump with a guy like Trump, especially on camera.

The meetings to be had behind closed doors will be all the more salient in my opinion.

[PeanutButter]

I voted blue, but Carney impressed me with this meeting. I think world leaders will be studying this interview in detail. This was a masterclass on how to deal with Trump.

He addressed the 51st state question very well and made it clear we are not for sale and never will be, but did it in a way that was tactful.

I don't think PP would have been able to dance the same way Carney did.

Optically, Carney hit it out of the park on this visit.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder how pp would have handled it. No Mr. Trump I will not let you bring us home, I will bring us back home. By selling cheap houses, making every one rich and send home the criminals.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by PeanutButter

Optically, Carney hit it out of the park on this visit.

I 100% agree, but mostly because I think Carney and Trump are like old buddies when the camera is off. They're on the same team!

[yray]

vance will ask PP why are you not thanking murrica

[supafamous]

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2025/05/0...ice-Unscathed/

How Mark Carney Emerged from the Oval Office Unscathed
The prime minister told Trump Canada is not for sale and avoided a public spat.

In a day of congenial menace at the White House, Prime Minister Mark Carney picked his spots carefully. He got his key message across — but got a largely unrelated earful in exchange from U.S. President Donald Trump.

A trip to the White House has become a rite of passage for leaders around the world, with a series of predictable elements in the Trump era — from the blindside on social media to the handshake and the tense sit-down in the newly gilded Oval Office.

Within the first few minutes of the meeting, Carney took an opportunity to interject with a clear pushback against Trump’s repeated assertions that Canada should become the “51st state.”

The comments were carefully calibrated, using Trump’s own preferred language of real estate. After pointing out that some properties simply are not for sale, like the White House and Buckingham Palace, Carney asserted that Canada “will not be for sale, ever.”

Con't

It's not just the Tyee (a left leaning site) that praised Carney's handling of Trump - the National Post (who was all in on PP) had a column (behind the paywall) praising Carney as well. MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell said Carney humiliated Trump with his words (https://www.thedailybeast.com/lawren...-realizing-it/)

I only caught clips of the meeting so I can't judge it fully but the clips I did see and the news I heard about it seems to show Carney can manage a clown like Trump (in the same way he managed the clowns in the UK) fairly well. Other than some criticism from trolls on the far right I haven't heard much that has been negative.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Anyone up for a bet? I’ll bet anyone $500 the liberals miss their housing targets. 3 weeks into a platform and you already know it will be a failure? #Progress

Like how the Cons said they'd build 2.3m houses in 5 years? A promise that works out to roughly 3-4x what the Liberals are promising while spending less on housing? At least the Liberal proposal is somewhat plausible and not built on full on lies. If they miss it won't be because they lied to the public.

FWIW, some housing experts said that both the Libs and Cons were promising far more housing than is needed and if they hit their goals they'd end up creating oversupply and, even worse, when things slow down we'd have a lot of unemployed trades with nothing to do. A more realistic number that's been thrown around is 330-350k a year for 10 years (The Libs are aiming for 500k/yr by year 10). My back of napkin says 330-350k probably isn't quite enough but it's in the ballpark depending on immigration rates.

[Jason00S2000]

Originally Posted by supafamous

At least the Liberal proposal is somewhat plausible and not built on full on lies.

Housing is the carrot on the end of the stick in Canadian society.

Housing is the life goal for every Canadian. It is the basis for our entire economy. Even the biggest shithole places to live now are, generally, 50% of a minimum wage income so even if you work hard, 50% of your income is already taken by just survival shelter.

(unless you're willing to just rent a room. People splitting a 1 bedroom or studio 4+ ways are pocketing money for sure!)

Anyone thinking housing is going to get cheaper or easier is delusional AND on crack!

[JDMDreams]

At least pp doesn't have to get security clearance anymore

[Jason00S2000]

Twitter X

Funny seeing this happen, my 4th book that I'm working on is called "The Shitkickers: Agents of F.L.U.S.H." and it is based on Trump putting tarriffs on toilet and plumbing products while a shadowy organization arranges for the sabotage of the sewer systems across Canada during deliberately planned diarrhea outbreaks.

[Jason00S2000]

Life is funnier seen through the AI!

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

It's so odd watching some people in this thread critique a 30 minute meeting with Trump.

What did you expect Carney to do, punch Trump in the face? Do some people seriously think politics is the WWE?

If anything I think he handled the meeting quite well, the trick with Trump as a classic narcissist is to let him spew his crap, don't argue on camera, don't interrupt him.

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. At the end of the day, Carney is right, they're our largest trading partner, you won't get anywhere being confrontational at the jump with a guy like Trump, especially on camera.

The meetings to be had behind closed doors will be all the more salient in my opinion.

Carney went all the way to Washington without having an established agenda on how to address the tariffs. Trump made it explicitly clear before the meeting that he doesn't even know why Carney wants to meet him(because Carney didn't come prepared with a plan). During that press conference, Carney did not once acknowledge any legit concerns that come from the USA in order for Canada to drive the negotiations forward. These concerns didn't suddenly become issues under Trump, they were issues under the Biden administration too.

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by supafamous

At least the Liberal proposal is somewhat plausible and not built on full on lies. If they miss it won't be because they lied to the public.

FWIW, some housing experts said that both the Libs and Cons were promising far more housing than is needed and if they hit their goals they'd end up creating oversupply and, even worse, when things slow down we'd have a lot of unemployed trades with nothing to do. A more realistic number that's been thrown around is 330-350k a year for 10 years (The Libs are aiming for 500k/yr by year 10). My back of napkin says 330-350k probably isn't quite enough but it's in the ballpark depending on immigration rates.

Who are these so-called "housing experts"?

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by supafamous

Like how the Cons said they'd build 2.3m houses in 5 years? A promise that works out to roughly 3-4x what the Liberals are promising while spending less on housing? At least the Liberal proposal is somewhat plausible and not built on full on lies. If they miss it won't be because they lied to the public.

FWIW, some housing experts said that both the Libs and Cons were promising far more housing than is needed and if they hit their goals they'd end up creating oversupply and, even worse, when things slow down we'd have a lot of unemployed trades with nothing to do. A more realistic number that's been thrown around is 330-350k a year for 10 years (The Libs are aiming for 500k/yr by year 10). My back of napkin says 330-350k probably isn't quite enough but it's in the ballpark depending on immigration rates.

A promise that doesn’t need to be fulfilled now so kind of irrelevant no?

Again with the is, “the party that isn’t in power promised this so….”

You could give Concorde a blank cheque and they couldn’t build this number.

[68style]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

Carney went all the way to Washington without having an established agenda on how to address the tariffs. Trump made it explicitly clear before the meeting that he doesn't even know why Carney wants to meet him(because Carney didn't come prepared with a plan). During that press conference, Carney did not once acknowledge any legit concerns that come from the USA in order for Canada to drive the negotiations forward. These concerns didn't suddenly become issues under Trump, they were issues under the Biden administration too.

You’ve got so much insider info bro! Were you in the room?

What else can you tell us about exactly what Trump and Carney talked about and are thinking / doing with their time?

[Badhobz]

^she's a woman.... apparently^

i dont know about that.... highly sus. I probably got bigger tits than you bitch.

Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Life is funnier seen through the AI!

STOP RUINING MY MUPPETS YOU FUCKER!!!!!! i swear to god ill come put my hand up your ass and work you like a puppet

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

A promise that doesn’t need to be fulfilled now so kind of irrelevant no?

Again with the is, “the party that isn’t in power promised this so….”

You could give Concorde a blank cheque and they couldn’t build this number.

I was under the impression these are targets, not promises.
Regardless, if they were to hit it, it's going to be met with "they are just fixing the problems they created! Who fuckin cares!"

[VRYALT3R3D]

Originally Posted by 68style

You’ve got so much insider info bro! Were you in the room?

What else can you tell us about exactly what Trump and Carney talked about and are thinking / doing with their time?

More than happy to oblige you, Brobi-Wan Kenbroski.

Absolutely nothing meaningful happened otherwise it would have been mentioned in Carney's later press conference.

Don't worry too much though, Brojangles. Carney will soon be judged on his actual record vs his resume. We will see soon enough if he is useless or not.

Cheers,

[68style]

Well that’s relief, I thought all the merit based people were precluding based on things besides merit.

[bcrdukes]

You had me at Brojangles. Made my day.

FYI I had the chance to try Bojangles while in the Midwest USA last year. Not bad, but not my favourite.