Tibetan-Canadian student politician, Uyghur rights activists come under attack by Chi

[vitaminG]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ents-in-canada

Look at the engrish petition these fuckin fobs made. Fuck the Chinese government and their supporters

We don't want such person to be the student union president

[Presto]

Cuz clicking links takes effort:

Chemi Lhamo had barely claimed victory last week as student-union president at the University of Toronto’s Scarborough campus when it began: first a petition demanding she be removed from the post, then a torrent of online abuse.

The calls came from what appeared to be Chinese students, insisting her long-standing advocacy for Tibetan independence was “irrational” and made her ineligible to represent the student body.

Some simply wished for her to die or be raped.

“People like u deserve a gunshot. Hope you go to hell immediately,” said a poster named caesssar_hsu on Instagram.

“Why we elect a person who don’t love her own country,” asked Ziyu Wang, one of almost 11,000 petition signers, though Lhamo is Canadian.

Meanwhile, in nearby Hamilton, a coalition of Chinese students’ groups protested a talk Monday at McMaster University about well-documented human-rights abuses against China’s Uyghur minority.

The presentation promoted “hatred” against China, the groups argued in a statement, adding that they had reported the presentation to the Chinese consulate in Toronto and asked McMaster to ensure the “dignity of Chinese students is not infringed”.

The two episodes come amid increasing concern about Beijing’s attempts to extend influence into countries like Canada, helped by some of the thousands of Chinese citizens who attend colleges and universities here.

President Xi Jinping has in recent years greatly expanded the size and power of the Communist Party branch at the forefront of China’s soft-power efforts. Experts say both the Confucius Institutes based at many Canadian post-secondary institutions and leaders of the Chinese scholars and students associations at most of the schools, report to government officials.

Though there is no direct evidence of it, Lhamo said she believes the petition and the comments on her Instagram page are at least partly the work of Chinese diplomats.

“I was a little surprised, but seconds after reading some of the comments I realized this was probably a tactic by the Chinese government,” she said Thursday. “This looks very orchestrated. We’ve seen enough of this stuff to know it’s not coming out of nowhere.”

An article about the petition was featured in Global Times, a Chinese English-language tabloid known for its fierce nationalistic stance.

Lhamo, 22, is a Canadian citizen of Tibetan descent who spent the first half of her life with her family in India, and has long espoused the cause of Tibetan independence.

She won the election for president of the Scarborough campus students’ union with 837 votes, the runner-up earning 519. About 12,000 of the university’s entire student enrolment of 91,000 are from China.

In less-than-perfect English, the petition on change.org argued she should not be president because she had promoted her “miserable experience” to gain voter sympathy, and was overly linked to “outside groups.”

“She is very deep into a group called Free Tibet. We think she is irrational about this,” said the petition. “How would international students feel if they have a (student union) leader criticising foreign countries? International students need respects from the university now and the future.”

The comments by petition signers and on Instagram range from blunt critiques of the Tibetan independence movement to obscene sexual insults. The attacks are somewhat countered with messages of support.

Don Campbell, a U of T spokesman, said the institution is in touch with the new student president to make sure she feels safe.

The petition organizers and the university’s Chinese Students and Scholars Association could not be reached for comment.

Lhamo said she has never hidden her beliefs about Tibet — which are clearly set out on her social media pages and suggested by her long-standing habit of wearing traditional clothing every Wednesday — but said Tibetan issues will not be a focus of her term as president.

The event at McMaster featured a talk by Uyghur “survivor” Rukiye Turdush on what organizers called China’s genocide of the Muslim Turkic minority.

The UN and human-rights groups have, in fact, reported that up to a million Uyghurs have been detained in “re-education” camps in the Xinjiang region, part of what observers have called a massive “police state” around the population.

China has most recently said the camps are designed to combat extremism and teach vocational skills.

A spokesperson for McMaster Muslims for Peace and Justice, which helped organize the event, said it was described in detail beforehand to university officials, and drew “extremely positive” feedback except for one audience member who “disrupted the talk and left visibly upset.”

An administration spokesman said students first voiced concerns about the presentation on Wednesday, but officials saw nothing amiss.

“McMaster is clear in its commitment to freedom of speech,” said university communications director Gord Arbeau. “We have a wide range of speakers on campus and we know that not everyone will agree on a particular view or opinion. As a university, we believe that even when views are controversial, they should be freely expressed.”

The McMaster Chinese Students and Scholars Association, which appears to have spearheaded the protest along with four other groups, could not be reached for comment.

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I’m curious what kind of world my future children will grow up in. The more and more I think about it I want to move to a smaller town. I hate all this bull shît

[Badhobz]

hahah shit, im stay the fuck away from this topic. Im not a huge Chinese nationalist, but the least qualified people to make a moral statement on imperialism is white people.

[CivicBlues]

Would anyone care if she wasn't hot?

edit: damn 22? She looks 35 at least. Must be the high altitude Tibetan sun

[Badhobz]

Dried up. Little moisture that high up

[Bouncing Bettys]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

hahah shit, im stay the fuck away from this topic. Im not a huge Chinese nationalist, but the least qualified people to make a moral statement on imperialism is white people.

And why would that be? All races or groups have blood on their hands if you go back far enough in history.

[Badhobz]

true, but i only see free Tibet stickers on the back of white people's cars. Not to mention in terms of blood on hands, I think Europeans, in general, have an egregious amount of that compared to anyone else.

Slavery?
Colonialism?
Imperialism?

[Great68]

I guess the only Europeans are British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch.
Oh maybe Russia too

That's it.

[GS8]

I like to think a Communist's brain is a lot like BMW turn signals.

It's there and it does work. It's just not used often.

[CivicBlues]

Originally Posted by Great68

I guess the only Europeans are British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Dutch.
Oh maybe Russia too

That's it.

Don't forget Americans (Philippines), Italians (Eritrea, Libya), Belgians (the Congo oh god the horror) and the Danish. Those crafty conniving Danes

[Hehe]

Oh come on.... this has nothing to do with the girl and her believes.

Free Tibet is like going vegan... you have activists here and there, but it's not going to change the world.

It's just the Chinese gov't can't have these "rebels" to take the mic. They come up with all sort of excuses and slogans about how great CCP is and every "Chinese" is better off under their regime.

Fuck the CCP... I can't imagine how one can be managing a country if they can't even allow the SLIGHTEST different voices.

Western societies, socialists (think Northern Europe like Sweden, Norway... etc) or democratic all made VAST improvement BECAUSE they accept different voices. You can NEVER know what's better if you don't try. Yes, there are many mistakes along the way, but every time we fail, we fail better to become better. Fucking CCP doesn't even have the courage to try something different.

[CharlesInCharge]

Western societies? Hehe do you condemn ISIS? That is western society ideals as they created and still fund it to this day as a tool.

This lady is just an Asian Zionist if Canadian news is doxing Chinese peoples Instagrams.


http://xmovies8.io/watch/oxQKV4dn-th...d-be-king.html
From 1h20m to 1h27m in this movie you can see how the occult have deep roots in all corners of the world.

[68style]

In come Charles to ruin yet another thread

[CharlesInCharge]

Western governments are currently hand picking some 35 year old in Venezuela as president... whose never had anyone vote for him in his life.

Canada already sent 50 million for terrorist activities there... this is Canadas repeat of Ukraine's colour revolution and paying Syrian terrorists wages in Syria . Canada's hand is soaked in blood.

Imagine Russia picking out one of the Whitecaps for the president of Canada.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

Western governments are currently hand picking some 35 year old in Venezuela as president... whose never had anyone vote for him in his life.

Please don't bring up the Venezuelan issue if you don't know crap about Venezuela itself.

I grew up in South America, please let me assure you that I know what I'm talking about.

Venezuela felt victim of a socialist movement that went horrendously wrong because of the amount of corruption in the country. Same thing happened in many SA countries like Peru, Chile, Argentina... etc.

Venezuela is just correcting itself now. If you don't support it, you can shut it. But don't come up with a statement that is clearly BS. First, Juan Guaidó is an elected politician from the 2010 election. Second, I think from a simple humanitarian perspective, he deserves int'l support. At least he acknowledges that there is a problem and seeks help from the int'l community.

Under Maduro's regime, the majority of people are suffering hunger, lacking even basic medical treatment/medicine. It's a well-known fact.

I don't know where you are, but you clearly take many things for granted while these people have to fear for their life on a daily basis. You have no FUCKING idea what you are talking about Venezuela. Don't come to me with these BS when people's lives are on the line.

Same thing with these Chinese students. They have no fucking idea what's like to have people using forces to undermine even something as basic as your own self-identity. They are just brainwashed so much that they believe this is being "proud" of Chinese. If they can be proud of being Chinese, why can't Uyghur be proud of what they are?

[CharlesInCharge]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Please don't bring up the Venezuelan issue if you don't know crap about Venezuela itself.

Just because you grew up there doesnt mean youre not a brainwashed robot.

Originally Posted by Hehe

I grew up in South America, please let me assure you that I know what I'm talking about.

Venezuela felt victim of a socialist movement that went horrendously wrong because of the amount of corruption in the country.

So you say...

Originally Posted by Hehe

Same thing happened in many SA countries like Peru, Chile, Argentina... etc.

Venezuela is just correcting itself now. If you don't support it, you can shut it. But don't come up with a statement that is clearly BS. First, Juan Guaidó is an elected politician from the 2010 election.

How many citizens voted for him to be an alternate national deputy in 2010?

Originally Posted by Hehe

Second, I think from a simple humanitarian perspective, he deserves int'l support. At least he acknowledges that there is a problem and seeks help from the int'l community.

Asking for humanitarian help... Western Zionists are the ones withholding 1.2 billion of their requested gold reserves.

Originally Posted by Hehe

Under Maduro's regime, the majority of people are suffering hunger, lacking even basic medical treatment/medicine. It's a well-known fact.

Its because they have the largest oil reserves in the world and the Zionist oligarchs planted there havent been out rooted yet through its long history of Zionist imperialism... many industries have been broken on purpose this way.
If a Yankee gave you $1000 dollars, I bet you'd rat out all the political activists back in your local town.

Originally Posted by Hehe

I don't know where you are, but you clearly take many things for granted while these people have to fear for their life on a daily basis. You have no FUCKING idea what you are talking about Venezuela. Don't come to me with these BS when people's lives are on the line.

Intellectuals call it an economic war or soft war... Chavez brought 72% of his citizens out of extreme poverty once the power was taken away from Zionist and your brainwashed reaction is for daddy Trump to save you and your people from the plight of socialism.

Originally Posted by Hehe

Same thing with these Chinese students. They have no fucking idea what's like to have people using forces to undermine even something as basic as your own self-identity. They are just brainwashed so much that they believe this is being "proud" of Chinese. If they can be proud of being Chinese, why can't Uyghur be proud of what they are?

I dont know much about the Uyghurs... could be there is a large infiltration of Zionists building up an army to join the so called caliphate.
Just LOL at the irony of you making fun of Chinese nationals where Iran, China and Russia are on the good side of history... and youre promoting occult one world government systems that are based around enslaving every human on this planet.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

Just because you grew up there doesnt mean youre not a brainwashed robot.

Just because you read something about Venezuela comfortably on your flashy iPad Pro on your bed doesn't mean you are one either.

How many citizens voted for him to be an alternate national deputy in 2010?

You said no one voted for him. I just pointed out you were wrong.

Asking for humanitarian help... Western Zionists are the ones withholding 1.2 billion of their requested gold reserves.

And you know that 1.2b of gold reserve was going to buy food and medicine because Maduro has clearly shown doing just that in the past few years?

Its because they have the largest oil reserves in the world and the Zionist oligarchs planted there havent been out rooted yet through its long history of Zionist imperialism... many industries have been broken on purpose this way.
If a Yankee gave you $1000 dollars, I bet you'd rat out all the political activists back in your local town.

You believe so blindly at these so called "zionist oligarchs" that you'd rather having millions suffer and/or die than acknowledging that there's a problem. You don't care about any other people as long as you could get to your point (however remotely possible). doesn't that make you exactly as one of these zionists you so much despise?

Intellectuals call it an economic war or soft war... Chavez brought 72% of his citizens out of extreme poverty once the power was taken away from Zionist and your brainwashed reaction is for daddy Trump to save you and your people from the plight of socialism.

Hahaha... you should really check what really happened about Chavez. Seriously, make a few friends with Venezuelans wherever you are and check with them about what Chavez did. By "taking" them out of poverty, it "supposed" to mean that they made the economy so well that every one of those people prospers in Venezuela. But no, he first took money away from the riches to GIVE to those living in poverty for NOTHING in return. They don't have to work, contribute or do anything for society. They were still poor... the only difference was that they used to have to DO SOMETHING in order to survive, and now they no longer do.

And what happened after? Oh... they ran out of riches or even people with any money at all to suck blood from... and all those old riches are now the same poor people that can only rely on the gov't to survive.

I dont know much about the Uyghurs... could be there is a large infiltration of Zionists building up an army to join the so called caliphate.
Just LOL at the irony of you making fun of Chinese nationals where Iran, China and Russia are on the good side of history... and youre promoting occult one world government systems that are based around enslaving every human on this planet.

Now this last part just made me realize how fucking dumb I was to take you seriously. Hahaha. Please continue to believe whatever you believe in... but don't stop on any pills your shrink might prescribe you.

[CharlesInCharge]

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[CharlesInCharge]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Just because you read something about Venezuela comfortably on your flashy iPad Pro on your bed doesn't mean you are one either.

I show facts not feelings.

Originally Posted by Hehe

You said no one voted for him. I just pointed out you were wrong..

How many people voted for him to that parliamentary position in 2010?

Originally Posted by Hehe

And you know that 1.2b of gold reserve was going to buy food and medicine because Maduro has clearly shown doing just that in the past few years?

So you stand by western governments to keep the gold until someone they like goes to office?

Originally Posted by Hehe

You believe so blindly at these so called "zionist oligarchs" that you'd rather having millions suffer and/or die than acknowledging that there's a problem. You don't care about any other people as long as you could get to your point (however remotely possible). doesn't that make you exactly as one of these zionists you so much despise?

You cant dilute history with your crocodile tears.

The School of the Americas: How the United States Has Trained Latin American Dictators in Corruption and Genocide
The School of the Americas: How the United States Has Trained Latin American Dictators in Corruption and Genocide

Originally Posted by Hehe

Hahaha... you should really check what really happened about Chavez. Seriously, make a few friends with Venezuelans wherever you are and check with them about what Chavez did. By "taking" them out of poverty, it "supposed" to mean that they made the economy so well that every one of those people prospers in Venezuela. But no, he first took money away from the riches to GIVE to those living in poverty for NOTHING in return. They don't have to work, contribute or do anything for society. They were still poor... the only difference was that they used to have to DO SOMETHING in order to survive, and now they no longer do.

Do you think Canada should nationalize its resources and pay the Native American populace to bring them out of poverty?

Originally Posted by Hehe

And what happened after? Oh... they ran out of riches or even people with any money at all to suck blood from... and all those old riches are now the same poor people that can only rely on the gov't to survive.

Why does a barrel of oil tank in price at times but fuel prices never lower to where they should?
What caused the global demand for oil to drop and Canadians to stop banking cash in Alberta's oil fields?

Originally Posted by Hehe

Now this last part just made me realize how fucking dumb I was to take you seriously. Hahaha. Please continue to believe whatever you believe in... but don't stop on any pills your shrink might prescribe you.

Youre two faced... you dont denounce ISIS as a tool for western world domination but you cry that your people in Latina America in need of freedom and food.

[Infiniti]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

Canada already sent 50 million for terrorist activities there...

Out of curiosity, can you provide a source verifying this statement? And, by source I don't mean some conspiracy theory website. I mean a vetted, neutral, and reputable source widely accepted as providing objective analysis/information. Or, at the very least, several sources of medium credibility corroborating this narrative.

[CharlesInCharge]

...medium credibility corroborating this narrative.... Canada has a history of this if you want credible info, do you really think it something different this time?

[Badhobz]

guys its charles... just dont.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

hahah shit, im stay the fuck away from this topic. Im not a huge Chinese nationalist, but the least qualified people to make a moral statement on imperialism is white people.

[!LittleDragon]

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4111

Sources are in the link.

Perhaps an equally important question is "Should a science podcast take on a political topic?" For a long time, listeners have been sending me requests to do an episode about Tibet, and for a long time I've been putting the requests into a folder and keeping it stored away. This is Skeptoid, not Politicaloid, and my purpose is not to advocate one side or the other in political questions where you have two sides that are perfectly valid to different groups of people. But the more requests I've received, the more I've realized that there is a lot of misinformation, if not true pseudoscience, surrounding Tibet. There is, undoubtedly, a set of popular pop-culture beliefs out there, based entirely upon made-up crap that bears little resemblance to reality.

Mind you, I'm not saying "Hey, you've heard one side, let me give you the other side," because that's the job of a political commentator. What I'm saying today is "Here is the reality of Tibet, go forth and form whatever opinion you like," but base it on reality, not on made-up metaphysical nonsense. I'm encouraging you to apply skepticism to the reasons you may have heard for freeing Tibet.

Like most Americans, I grew up watching video of the Chinese army taking howitzers and destroying the massive centuries-old Tibetan monasteries in 1959, and that's an indisputable crime against history, religious freedom, and the dignity of Tibetans. And then I watched video of the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual and political leader of the Tibetan people, in his red and yellow robes, speaking words of wisdom and brotherhood and freedom and peace. And I'll freely admit: For nearly all of my life, this was the extent of my knowledge of the Tibet situation: Violence and cruelty from the Chinese; innocence and beauty from the Tibetans. I believe that many Westerners, including many who fervently wave Free Tibet placards, have little knowledge of the situation any deeper than that. But isn't it likely that there's more to it than that? Isn't it equally disrespectful of the Tibetans as it is of the Chinese to attempt to encompass who and what they are with those tiny little pictures?

A complete history lesson is impossible, but here's a quick overview of the points relevant to today's discussion. China and Tibet have a long and complicated history. In 1950, China invaded to assert its claim, and ruled by trying to win hearts and minds, building roads and public utilities, and allowing the Tibetan system of feudal serfdoms to remain largely intact. In 1959 the Tibetan ruling class revolted, prompting a Chinese crackdown that sent the Dalai Lama and most other Tibetan aristocrats into exile in India, where they remain to this day. The former serfs became ordinary Chinese citizens, and Tibet is now an "autonomous region" in China, a status that many describe as actually less autonomous than an ordinary Chinese province. From his palace in India, the Dalai Lama now travels the world in a private jet, hobnobbing with the wealthy and powerful, fundraising, and writing highly successful books on metaphysics.

Recently there were some anti-China, pro-Tibet protests in Nepal, a neighboring independent nation. This is illegal in Nepal, and the authorities have been cracking down on it. Why does Nepal side with China on this issue? Because they depend heavily on Chinese aid to survive, and this is a requirement that China imposes, though they call it a "request". At first glance you might be shocked that an independent nation would give up its freedom of speech to make a deal with the devil, but that's an easy opinion to form when you're not hungry. It makes sense for Nepal to agree to these terms, because their back is against the wall: They need China's aid. As for China imposing this condition? Well, that's one for you to chalk up in your column of "Things China Needs to Reconsider".

So, why doesn't China simply give Tibet the same treatment they give Nepal — let them be an independent nation, give them aid, and just require them to say only nice things about them? Well, Nepal has long been an independent nation; Tibet hasn't. The history of China's rule over Tibet is exceptionally complicated and goes back many centuries. Anyone who tells you that either Tibet is historically part of China, or that Tibet is historically free, is making a disingenuous oversimplification. Personally, I choose to discount this subject completely, and not because it's too intricate to make a clear decision. I discount it because practically every square inch of land on the planet has been taken over militarily or annexed or stolen in one way or another from one people by another people. We don't give California back to the Spanish, and we don't give Italy back to Norway [So many people have asked me about this that I'll clarify. Italy, like the rest of Europe, was repeatedly sacked by Vikings. - BD]. Ancient history is not the way to settle current border disputes. To find a meaningful settlement that makes sense for people today, you have to consider Tibet to be a current border dispute. So while we're chalking up China's claim of ancient possession in the column of "Things China Needs to Reconsider", let's also chalk up Tibet's claim of ancient autonomy in the column of "Things Tibet Needs to Shut Up About".

And once we open up that column, we find it's a Pandora's Box. Advocates of a free Tibet make a long list of charges against Chinese oppression, largely centered upon a loss of rights and freedom. This claim makes anyone familiar with Tibetan history cough up their coffee. The only people who lost any rights under Chinese rule are Tibet's former ruling class, themselves guilty of cruelty and oppression of a magnitude that not even China can conceive. The vast majority of Tibetans, some 90% of whom were serfs, have enjoyed a relative level of freedom unheard of in their culture. Until 1950 when the Chinese put a stop to it, 90% of Tibetans had no rights at all. They were freely traded and sold. They were subject to the worst type of punishments from their lords, including gouging out of eyes; cutting off hands, feet, tongues, noses, or lips; and a dozen horrible forms of execution. There was no such concept as legal recourse; the landowning monk class was the law. There was no such thing as education, medical care, sanitation, or public utilities. Young boys were frequently and freely taken from families to endure lifelong servitude, including rape, in the monasteries. Amid all the pop-culture cries about Chinese oppression, why is there never any mention of the institutionalized daily oppression levied by the Dalai Lama's class prior to 1959?

Free Tibet advocates also point to the destruction of Tibetan culture. This charge is particularly bizarre. The only art produced in Tibet prior to 1950 was limited to the output of a few monks in each monastery, principally drawings of monasteries. New literature had not been produced in Tibet for centuries. Since the 1959 uprising, art and literature in Tibet have both flourished, now that the entire population is at liberty to produce. Tibet even has its share of well known poets, authors, and internationally known artists now.

Make no mistake about China's history of human rights failings: China's "Great Leap Forward" and "Cultural Revolution" programs from 1958 through 1976 were as disastrous for Tibet as they were for the rest of China. There can never be any excuse for the deliberate widescale destruction of life, liberty, and property during those years. Hundreds of thousands of Tibetans, and tens of millions of Chinese, lost their lives during this misguided pretense at "reform". This was a phase that China went through, and it's arguable that Tibet would have been spared this torment if they had been independent at the time. But for your average Tibetan in the field, a serf with no rights, living and working and dying at the whim of his lord, were those decades really worse than they would have been without China? There's no way to know, but to a skeptical mind, it's not a slam-dunk that China's Cultural Revolution was harder on Tibet than Tibet's ruling class had always been in the past.

If we think back to our list of red flags to identify misinformation, cultural campaigns and celebrity endorsements should always trigger your skeptical radar. Few campaigns are as near and dear to the hearts of Hollywood activists as "Freeing Tibet". Notable Tibet advocates include Sharon Stone, Richard Gere, Paris Hilton, and the great political science scholar Lindsay Lohan. Journalist Christopher Hitchens notes that "when on his trips to Hollywood fundraisers, [the Dalai Lama] anoints major donors like Steven Segal and Richard Gere as holy." Being anointed as holy probably does great things for your social standing within Hollywood, but it should not be considered evidence of expertise. I'll bet that if you asked either Steven Segal or Paris Hilton to lecture on the events of the Lhasa Uprising of 1959, you'd find that neither knows even the most basic information about the cause they so passionately advocate. Just because Hollywood celebrities promote a viewpoint doesn't mean they're qualified to do so, something that (unbelievably) still seems to escape most people.

Furthermore, the people shouting loudest about freeing Tibet don't seem to be aware that that's not even what the Dalai Lama wants from China. He's not seeking full independence, Nepal style; rather he would like to achieve the same status as Hong Kong, which is a "special administrative region". This would give them full economic benefits without having to become a regular province, something along the lines of a US territory. So here's a note to all the Hollywood celebrities: If you really want to support the Dalai Lama, ditch your "Free Tibet" signs and paint some up that say "Change Tibet from an Autonomous Region to a Special Administrative Region". It's not as good of a sound bite, and it's a change that would have little practical impact on Tibetans; but it would allow the Dalai Lama to return to his aristocratic lifestyle and his 1000 room palace at Potala.

So to all those who so heatedly call for the freeing of Tibet, first consider whether you have the expertise to know whether Tibet is best served as an autonomous region or as a special administrative region. Understand exactly what implications such a change may have upon the economics and the daily lives of its citizens, or maybe even entertain the possibility that it's a decision best left to Tibetans.