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Old 09-18-2019, 07:59 AM   #51
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Are those even customer configurable options when ordering one of these?
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Reports saying the car that ran the ring for porsche was only the turbo model and not the S.

The plot thickens.
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Are those even customer configurable options when ordering one of these?
I don't think Elon/Tesla would brag about a time that wasn't an option for customers.. i think he knows better than that
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And the price of Taycan is insane... I just priced everything out. A fully equipped Taycan Turbo costs more than a fully equipped Tesla Model S or X P100D (take your pick, I even added the Full Self Driving option) AND a Model 3 Performance... and still have a bit of money left.
I'm far from a Porsche fan, but I'd guesstimate the Porsche build quality is going to be miles ahead of a Tesla.
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Unofficial by german news reporter, but Elon confirmed it via twitter.

Taycan got smoked by 20 seconds by the new model s plaid test...

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With stripped interior, carbon brakes, wider and lighter wheels, track tires and aero
Porsche ran a prototype car at the track and so did Tesla. What's the problem here? They are both awesome cars in their own right, i'm just happy to see companies pushing the performance of their vehicles.
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I don't think Elon/Tesla would brag about a time that wasn't an option for customers.. i think he knows better than that
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The black car is the Taycan.


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This is comedic gold. Electric car wars begins. CEO's making fun of each other on twitter. CEO's begin classic car guy bench racing. the IG video.... lmao. Tesla dead on the track and the Porsche slowly creeping by. A+ would read again.
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Taycan was stock. Tesla had carbon ceramic brakes suspension upgrades and probably a striped out interior.

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The 160,000USD Taycan Turbo EPA range was just released yesterday... drum roll please..........




201miles on a fully charged battery.

Porsche went into damage control right away saying that an independent test is closer to the European test number. This is so IMO.

Test like this takes time and money. It basically meant that Porsche knew all along that the EPA rating is going to suck and already prepared this before the official figure is released.

And this is the Turbo variant. Which means that the Turbo S is going to suck even worse as they share the same battery...

Furthermore, consider how hard Porsche drivers are usually gonna drive them, the Taycan might very well go for less than 200km per FULLY CHARGED (which isn't really good for the battery) in winter.

When Porsche announced the Taycan prototype, I thought, finally a regular car manufacturer gonna design an EV... Now it feels like they designed a car but just so happen to use EV as the powertrain.

I think they should really address this before the first Taycan being delivered. The PR nightmare that's going to follow if this thing gets less than 200miles on a full charge IRL driving is gonna taint all this effort of going big on EV.
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200 miles or 200km? You said both there
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...ycan-ev-range/

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Porsche's new Taycan electric vehicle is the least efficient EV ever, according to the EPA. Its 69 MPGe combined efficiency figure is low for a modern EV, as is its rated range of 201 miles on a single charge. Even the decades-old GM EV1 was more efficient, rated at a combined 85 MPGe.
The Taycan is getting roasted good here...
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200 miles or 200km? You said both there
Rated for 200miles, or roughly 320km. EV takes a hit in winter due to a variety of reasons (and no EV is immune). Let's assume that optimistically, that translates to 260KM/160miles range in winter (20% hit, which is very optimistic). And if you have a happy heavy foot, Add another 20% hit there, one's already below 200km/120miles. And this is FULL battery, meaning 100%-->0. If you want to keep a good 10-20% of range in reserve, the range can be as little as 150km in between charges in winter based on the assumption one always charge fully.
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Yea pretty wack even for casual driving

Would have to charge in Squamish to get to whistler from Surrey

I’ll be interested to see if my family friends with deposits down end up buying one. One guy who had an early deposit down with Porsche Langley ended up getting a GT2RS in the meantime so the Taycan gonna be a huge let down lol
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i'm kinda stupid on driving range....but i wonder in real world tests it would reach that,taking stop & go traffic in the city....or going up hill and down would have an effect on distance.

we do get -10 cold spells reaching city life in rare times too.
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i'm kinda stupid on driving range....but i wonder in real world tests it would reach that,taking stop & go traffic in the city....or going up hill and down would have an effect on distance.

we do get -10 cold spells reaching city life in rare times too.
Stop and go traffic has no real impact and range since the electric motor isn't running like in a gas powered vehicle.
Going uphill hurts your range a lot, but contrast, you do gain some range back going down hill with regen braking.
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Rated for 200miles, or roughly 320km. EV takes a hit in winter due to a variety of reasons (and no EV is immune). Let's assume that optimistically, that translates to 260KM/160miles range in winter (20% hit, which is very optimistic). And if you have a happy heavy foot, Add another 20% hit there, one's already below 200km/120miles. And this is FULL battery, meaning 100%-->0. If you want to keep a good 10-20% of range in reserve, the range can be as little as 150km in between charges in winter based on the assumption one always charge fully.
I will have to check my data again, but 20% seems on the high side based on the numbers from my Leaf.
But definitely some loss from using the heat. Battery range goes down as the battery temp drops. A quick fix for this was using the DCFC at superstore to get some heat into the battery.
And I think snow tires will affect the range.
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Some reading into this weeks ago porsche has some tech to keep the batteries at temp in colder environments. I know they're currently hosting a lot of car journos in winter environments with the turbo, turbo s, and 4s.

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EDIT: And why is no one talking about tires? The taycan has some massive tires. Rolling resistance is a thing.

model 3 are 235mm 18"
Taycan Turbo 280 20"
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Listened to the Joe Rogan podcast today with Matt Farah who is some kind of car reviewer etc.

Said the Porsche is pretty big steps ahead in terms of fit and finish which you would expect form Porsche. However something that’s interesting is that he said is that the Porsche will give you 100% performance until the battery is dead. Launch control etc will give you the full performance all the way along where as the P100D will not allow the top performance modes at under 80% battery and launch control etc will be noticeably sluggish thereafter?

Edit* also said the Nuremberg ring Tesla is some wide body triple motor prototype where as the Taycan was essentially the retail model?
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c'mon put this tech into a mid-range sports car or compact crossover already

not this in-between gran coupe eyesore that plagues vancouver
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The range is really short but that's still plenty for the vast majority of the population that just drives to work and back every day. Lets be real here for the majority of Porsches that's all they ever do anyways.
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Yes the range sucks on this Taycan,but lets be honest,Porsche will sell every car they can make and people will be buying them regardless.Majority of Porsche owners purchased the car for the badge.
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