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A bit of a rant but I just think ultimately, our lifestyle and entitlement is the biggest problem.
Indeed the underlying issue is simply population growth and consumerism. Pointing the finger at any specific industry or group is futile, virtually all social/economic activity on the planet will affect the environment in a negative way.
My opinion on climate change is generally not aligned with the climate sensationalists or the deniers, there is absolutely a link between C02 levels and global temperatures, C02 levels are higher now than they have been in the last 800,000 years, global temperatures have increased by roughly 1 degree Celsius since the start of the industrial revolution, these are facts that cannot be denied.
However, the correlation between C02 levels and global temperatures is just that, a correlation. Though I do believe we are harming the environment with our polluting 'consumptuous' ways, I don't at all agree with the outrageous predictions of irreversible damage to the planet within the next xx years.
I think back to the expert predictions around acid rain and peak oil, we now know those "experts" were full of shit. The predictions of rising ocean levels offered by Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth (2006) suggested we would see an increase of 20ft "in the near future", in 2019 we now know the maximum increase we can expect to see between now and 2100 is more like 20 inches.
The majority of people I know that like to regurgitate the climate crisis sensationalism are hypocritical dullards that get their "information" from headlines and facebook posts. They celebrate the dramatic rants of a 16 year old girl raised by an opera singer and an actor/director, she's not a researcher performing groundbreaking work, she's a child that was elevated to the status of hero by her classmates for getting them out of school every other friday on the notion of a "climate strike".
If you've never taken the time to actually digest the data related to climate change then you shouldn't be entitled to an opinion on it. There is absolutely a political motivation by which the "end of the world" as a result of climate change is the instrument by which irresponsible or unfounded policies and spending is justified.
Note the long term trend of correlation between C02 and global temperatures.
C02 levels over the last 1000 years (Peaked out today around 400ppm, currently increasing at about 3ppm/decade)
And the standard global temperature deviation over the last 1500 years.
For sure we are fucking up the planet and we need to do better, but GTFO with the doomsday bullshit. People just need to start making a more conscious decision to do better in their personal lives, just like we learned to "reduce, reuse, and recycle" as kids we need to practice an overall reduction in consumerism to reduce our impact on the environment.
The government is full of shit, on one hand they are pushing unfounded climate crisis related policies and on the other they are pushing for increased population. These two issues are damn near as mutually exclusive as it gets.
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Our temperature regulator still exists. For example, an ice bath will stay at 0C until you add enough heat to melt all the ice. Then the sensible heat can be measured as temperature, as it will rise. A measure of how much heat we're holding or absorbing is watching the ice caps shrink over the years. IMO.
Indeed the underlying issue is simply population growth and consumerism. Pointing the finger at any specific industry or group is futile, virtually all social/economic activity on the planet will affect the environment in a negative way.
My opinion on climate change is generally not aligned with the climate sensationalists or the deniers, there is absolutely a link between C02 levels and global temperatures, C02 levels are higher now than they have been in the last 800,000 years, global temperatures have increased by roughly 1 degree Celsius since the start of the industrial revolution, these are facts that cannot be denied.
However, the correlation between C02 levels and global temperatures is just that, a correlation. Though I do believe we are harming the environment with our polluting 'consumptuous' ways, I don't at all agree with the outrageous predictions of irreversible damage to the planet within the next xx years.
I think back to the expert predictions around acid rain and peak oil, we now know those "experts" were full of shit. The predictions of rising ocean levels offered by Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth (2006) suggested we would see an increase of 20ft "in the near future", in 2019 we now know the maximum increase we can expect to see between now and 2100 is more like 20 inches.
The majority of people I know that like to regurgitate the climate crisis sensationalism are hypocritical dullards that get their "information" from headlines and facebook posts. They celebrate the dramatic rants of a 16 year old girl raised by an opera singer and an actor/director, she's not a researcher performing groundbreaking work, she's a child that was elevated to the status of hero by her classmates for getting them out of school every other friday on the notion of a "climate strike".
If you've never taken the time to actually digest the data related to climate change then you shouldn't be entitled to an opinion on it. There is absolutely a political motivation by which the "end of the world" as a result of climate change is the instrument by which irresponsible or unfounded policies and spending is justified.
Note the long term trend of correlation between C02 and global temperatures.
C02 levels over the last 1000 years (Peaked out today around 400ppm, currently increasing at about 3ppm/decade)
And the standard global temperature deviation over the last 1500 years.
For sure we are fucking up the planet and we need to do better, but GTFO with the doomsday bullshit. People just need to start making a more conscious decision to do better in their personal lives, just like we learned to "reduce, reuse, and recycle" as kids we need to practice an overall reduction in consumerism to reduce our impact on the environment.
The government is full of shit, on one hand they are pushing unfounded climate crisis related policies and on the other they are pushing for increased population. These two issues are damn near as mutually exclusive as it gets.
AND YOU CAN TAKE MY GT3 RS AWAY WHEN YOU PRY IT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!
The sawtooth pattern of that first graph points out just how consistently the climate changes. it always has and always will.
much debate has centred around the accuracy of the methods used in that second graph. The "hockey stick".
and here's a more complete picture showing the huge variation immediately prior
If you look at the third graph you'll notice the very large "uncertainty" shaded area.
Like I said earlier on, I'm not saying one way or the other. Just that the science is fuzzy and far from conclusive.
The methods used to obtain long term temperature data, ie through tree rings or isotopes is not considered to be entirely accurate. Even the methods to obtain global average temperatures can be contentious.
Like many, i believe in airing on the side of caution. With the size of our population now and projected growth, just about anything we do is bound to have at least some effect.
I just feel like there's a real lack of objectivity. Science should always be scrutinized. And it's a shame the matter has become so politicized. It only serves to influence perceptions rather than determine the facts.
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So it looks like stating anything other than complete catastrophe, in regards to climate change, is controversial and just may be tantamount to hate speech
The vice-president of university relations at the University of Alberta has stepped down from her position amidst backlash over a billboard promoting potential benefits of climate change.
Jacqui Tam issued a statement late Sunday announcing her departure from the position.
“The research highlighted by the ad does not promote climate change as a benefit; nor was that the meaning intended by the ad,” Tam wrote in the statement Sunday night.
The billboard, located on 178 Street in the west end, read “beefier barley,” with subheading saying, “Climate change will boost Alberta’s barley yield with less water, feeding more cattle.”
Students and staff with the University of Alberta have slammed the message saying it ignores the catastrophic damage climate change is having.
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Greta Thunberg is in Vancouver. I wonder how many people are going to support climate change initiatives and who is going because she’s now a celebrity.
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Someone has to take the lead. You think Ford would be working on an electric truck if it wasn't for Tesla?
There are many benefits to electric vehicles that warrant their development and use regardless of climate change.
Tesla took the first plunge and showed they can be viable, but I'm not sure I'd attribute them taking that plunge solely for reasons of climate change.
In the world of selling goods such as cars, there's a direct tangible monetary benefit if you can be the first out of the gate: Market Share.
Taking a lead on implementing measures against climate change doesn't offer that same tangible benefit. All you're doing is hoping that other countries follow suit rather than just swoop in and take over areas where you made yourself less competitive in the world arena.
There are many benefits to electric vehicles that warrant their development and use regardless of climate change.
Tesla took the first plunge and showed they can be viable, but I'm not sure I'd attribute them taking that plunge solely for reasons of climate change.
In the world of selling goods such as cars, there's a direct tangible monetary benefit if you can be the first out of the gate: Market Share.
great point; also read that in Simon Sinek's book. Look at iphone, they were 1st to market and dominated. Is it the best product, nope, but mass market adoption side of things.. Apple definitely did.
Tesla coming to the world showing it can be done, it can be a luxury vehicle and it sure can be the 300+ km was a really proof to tell the world / car manufacturer a big F U.
When rolling out another climate tax I recall Justin Trudeau saying that Canadians don’t mind paying more for environmental initiatives. Later, I learned that climate-related taxes land in the general coffers. In this video we have the UN-IPCC quoted as saying that climate policy is not environmental policy. Unfortunately, that all fits together nicely. Our money isn’t fixing the problem.
We also have a system where citing findings not exactly inline with the current narrative is tantamount to hate speech, as ‘welfare’ points out, without further consideration of their veracity. That approach always seems to turn out badly. Even if the current narrative is exactly and completely true the optics are bad.
There’s no doubt climate change is real. The earth was formed, in part, by climate change. And climate has changed a lot since. It also seems reasonable that human activity would have a detrimental effect on the environment. The question seems to be the extent and consequence of that activity. And debate seems to be forbidden. And that’s wrong. And it’s conspicuously suspicious.
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THE GUY IN THE RED SHIRT throwing the newspaper stand into the window IS INDY BHANGU FROM SURREY.
Greta Thunberg is in Vancouver. I wonder how many people are going to support climate change initiatives and who is going because she’s now a celebrity.
Ugh what a fucking nightmare downtown was this morning. I was an hour late for work cuz Burrard, Smithe and W. Georgia was all blocked off.
Way to reduce carbon imprint with 200 idling cards stuck in the core of downtown for the afternoon!
Ugh what a fucking nightmare downtown was this morning. I was an hour late for work cuz Burrard, Smithe and W. Georgia was all blocked off.
Way to reduce carbon imprint with 200 idling cards stuck in the core of downtown for the afternoon!
I don't understand why they do stuff like this. Creating awareness is an excuse that went out with the 90's, I don't think there's anyone in major cities around the world that isn't aware of climate change. All I see is them complaining, pointing fingers and offering no real solutions. Just creating a disturbance for social media.
If they really wanted to make a difference, they should stay in school. Come up with new environmentally friendly manufacturing processes, materials to replace plastics, more efficient transportation, better farming practices, etc. Nobody listens when you're shouting and disrupting their way of life.
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Sometimes I feel like we moved manufacturing offshore so we can point our fingers and say that's the bad guy.
Well, that and the fact that we can exploit the cheap/slave labour. Once the wages increase to a reasonable amount, then companies pick up and find the next country willing to be exploited. Or maybe the better way to phrase is the next country's leader(s) willing to line their pockets while selling out their citizens.
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All I see is them complaining, pointing fingers and offering no real solutions. Just creating a disturbance for social media.
If they really wanted to make a difference, they should stay in school. Come up with new environmentally friendly manufacturing processes, materials to replace plastics, more efficient transportation, better farming practices, etc. Nobody listens when you're shouting and disrupting their way of life.
^This.
Just to clarify. It was a Povince-wide Pro-D day. Nobody missed classes. I don’t mind raising awareness, but none of the people in the crowd had any real solutions to the problem. Also, does the girl not realize we all have been concerned about the issues? I don’t want my children and their children’s children to live in a dying planet. Nobody does. Is she leading by example? Is she working with scientists and policy makers? You say world leaders haven’t done enough. Come up with real solutions.
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I don't understand why they do stuff like this. Creating awareness is an excuse that went out with the 90's, I don't think there's anyone in major cities around the world that isn't aware of climate change. All I see is them complaining, pointing fingers and offering no real solutions. Just creating a disturbance for social media.
If they really wanted to make a difference, they should stay in school. Come up with new environmentally friendly manufacturing processes, materials to replace plastics, more efficient transportation, better farming practices, etc. Nobody listens when you're shouting and disrupting their way of life.
-what do we want!?
-CHANGE!
-when do we want it!?
-NOW!
-what are we going to sacrifice!?
-HUH?
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"1500 years for sure" I saw posted, yet this planet is millions of year old and that there is the goal posts of the sheeple. But hey, RS has all the smarts here like manic and turbo that truly believe if they type it often enough, it will be true. It has to be.
I'll just listen to these world experts for an hour (and I have read some of their papers to support their teachings), all from MIT, Harvard, and the top schools in the world. Funny how they also see that politics buys science.
"1500 years for sure" I saw posted, yet this planet is millions of year old and that there is the goal posts of the sheeple. But hey, RS has all the smarts here like manic and turbo that truly believe if they type it often enough, it will be true. It has to be.
I'll just listen to these world experts for an hour (and I have read some of their papers to support their teachings), all from MIT, Harvard, and the top schools in the world. Funny how they also see that politics buys science.
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