2020 GR Yaris (WRC homologation)

[twitchyzero]

RIP fiesta st, spiritual successor to the GT-Four

probably the most exciting non-Lexus Toyota built in the last 2 decades, hope it comes to North America

Saito tells us the project began at the end of 2016, so it’s come together in a relatively short space of time. They’ve worked with the WRC team since the start though, and more recently drivers including 2019 champion Ott Tänak, Jari-Matti Latvala, and Kris Meeke have all taken turns behind the wheel.

Interestingly, Saito says the engineers all dived into Toyota’s archives at the start of the project, as none had experience working on all-wheel drive in this application, and the most obvious point of reference was to dig through old Celica GT-Four documents.

The team also pulled apart Focus RSs, Audi S1s and Lancer Evos, and drove examples of each too – though ultimately, Toyota went its own way with both the engineering and the driving feel. ‘It was fun, though!’ mentions Saito. The S1 was apparently of particular interest, not because of how it drives (though it’s a great car in its own right), but because Toyota was amazed at how Audi had managed to package its drivetrain into such a compact car – there’s clearly inspiration in that respect in the GR Yaris.

I ask him whether like those old rally cars, Toyota would develop the car over time, perhaps releasing ‘Evolutions’ as the rally team demanded changes to improve the competition car. It’s a possibility, he says, though there are no concrete plans. Gazoo Racing was apparently already able to meet 90 per cent of the requests made by the rally team

3-banger turbo 275hp
awd 6MT
~2400lbs (carbon roof, aluminum panels)
rear double wishbone, wider track
no fake vents (fmic, brake ducts)
optional dual LSD, forged BBS
~5s to 60mph
late 2020, at least 25k will be built (affordable?)

[320icar]

https://www.caradvice.com.au/814710/...preview-drive/

- The base model's Dunlops don't grip as well as the Michelins on the Performance Pack
- The open diffs don't provide as much traction as the LSDs on the Performance Pack
- We don't get the Performance Pack
- Price could be astronomical

[twitchyzero]

you reckon there'd be wheels that clear these big brakes?

[CorneringArtist]

My RAV4 is being turned in if these come to Canada.

[underscore]

The high seating position makes it a hot hatch and not a sports car IMO, so to me it's not a successor to the GTFour (thankfully they at least left that name alone for now).

I imagine they'll be crazy expensive but we aren't getting them here so at least I won't have to deal with the internal conflict of whether or not to replace my GTFour RC with one for 15 years.

[toyota86]

If Toyota took inspiration and built this like an audi, that to me is a giant red flag to stay away. Hope this thing has a proper center diff and not the vw haldex bs. Gazoo is very euro after all. At least this time toyota is making the whole car in house.

[320icar]

Just out of curiosity, have you driven cars like the golf R with the haldex system? It’s just fine. Especially if the car is shipping to places like Australia with no option of any LSD’s, a haldex style system would be the least of its concerns

[vitaminG]

It's not for homologation. Wrc cars don't need to have production equivalents that are turbo or 4wd

[CorneringArtist]

Originally Posted by vitaminG

It's not for homologation. Wrc cars don't need to have production equivalents that are turbo or 4wd

Toyota wanted to make more changes to make the WRC car more competitive, and the changes that they made are outside of homologation requirements. That requires the 25k production run. Tommi Makinen wanted the rear roof line even lower than it is on the current car, but didn't get it.

[trollface]

None of these are comming to NA

[twitchyzero]

I forgot we get rebadged mexico-built Mazda2 here and it just received a facelift

doesn't seem like this is coming, wallet is safe

[Akinari]

Nothing like this will ever come to North America until the stupid crossover craze ends.

We don't even get the global Yaris, rather a rebadge of the Mazda 2 as mentioned above.

For shits and giggles, let's imagine some kind of perverse utopia where the majority of North Americans actually appreciate small cars that aren't lifted hatchbacks. It'd just be a shittier sales re-run of the Toyobaru twins where they sell like hotcakes to every single person who's actually serious about buying one in the first 1-2 years, then fall completely flat and die afterwards.

That said, I do very much like the C-HR and do very much hope, if not the GR version, that we AT LEAST get the new turbo motor soon.

I can't tell you how fun/fresh it is whenever I'm in Tokyo seeing all these modded subcompacts, especially all those GR Prii

[AzNightmare]

Stupid crossover craze is never going to end...
Just too practical from a consumer point of view and with all these "sport" trims coming in, they have everybody convinced they offer the same driving characteristics as those silly sports car that have no back seats or trunk space !!!11

[Badhobz]

https://jalopnik.com/the-268-hp-2020...-sp-1840924138

This little shit looks awesome. i wish they bring this here for ha ha's

[twitchyzero]

different platforms for front and rear? ballsy



2800lbs is pretty decent for AWD

apparently the G16E-GTS is the highest hp/L in a Toyota 'street' car, someone call Timpo back

[Badhobz]

totally looks like a tiny angry corolla. I LOVE IT

[twitchyzero]

dug a bit deeper

it'll be built by the same takumis that worked on the LFA/LC
the transmission is by getrag
starts 36k USD tax included, another 5k for dual Torsen LSD and forged BBS




trying to contain the want but lightweight homologated manual turbo awd, i don't think it'll be cheap in 15 years but with the 25k unit requirement i think the price will be fair

it'll sit pretty high but the arches make it look like a modern R5 turbo...interested to see how well it reviews

[320icar]

It does not look good. At least in photos. All the proportions are wrong

[nsx042003]

^ the public dont mind the ugly as long as it's advertised as a CUV

Then again, Europeans love their ugly cars.

[twitchyzero]

it's like a B-segment version of the scirocco R



rear half of the corolla roller skate was used to fit the awd component and double wishbone

YouTube

who would've thought the most exciting toyota would be a yaris...gotta go back to high school and apologize to the guy who was peer pressured into not modifying his 2nd gen hatchback

[underscore]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

dug a bit deeper

it'll be built by the same takumis that worked on the LFA/LC
the transmission is by getrag
starts 36k USD tax included, another 5k for dual Torsen LSD and forged BBS

$36-41k USD = $47-53.5k CAD all in seems cheap, the Supra is $79k and a top-spec 86 is $43k (both all-in). IIRC if you adjust the cost for inflation my RC would be around $90k.

Since I've got 15 years to save up I may as well start planning to get one lol.

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

Am I the only one that can't stand this current trend of "blacking out" spoilers on hot hatches.

It just vanishes like camo under any sort of dark backdrop and the silhouette of the car at the back looks weird. It gives the illusion the back just slopes down as the spoiler blends in with the background, and in this case, the back window.

[twitchyzero]

not everyone wants a porsche whale tail/type r wang...but i suppose on a hot hatch it can be justified

i remember when body-coloured mirror caps were preferred over unpainted black plastic, now most sporty stuff is going with piano black

i dont mind black lip/wing/roof/mirror and quite like them, sure beats chrome trim everything from just 10 years back

just glad there is brake duct and hood bulge instead of fake hood scoop/vents that toyota/honda seems like to so much these days

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by underscore

$36-41k USD = $47-53.5k CAD all in seems cheap, the Supra is $79k and a top-spec 86 is $43k (both all-in). IIRC if you adjust the cost for inflation my RC would be around $90k.

Since I've got 15 years to save up I may as well start planning to get one lol.

when you can load up a M3 vert to 120k i guess 50k Yaris can be called cheap haha

i do think low 30s USD pre-tax is a steal given the pretty coin that went into R&D...i would think most mfg are losing money building homologations

but yeah if the 86 just got another 20-30 hp or is more free flowing and got awd like every other subaru i probably would've picked it for the weight penalty over the revised miata

wonder what the fuel econ on the gr yaris is like

[twitchyzero]

sign the petition to bring the non-mazda yaris hot hatch over

http://chng.it/vfHt5WYrdQ