coronavirus discussion

[welfare]

A lot of doctors have argued that locking down may not have been a very effective strategy, as shielding yourself from the bacteria and germs that are out in the public can actually weaken the immune system. So you essentially may get a whole lot of people re-entering society with lowered immune systems at once.

I know doctors have been saying for years that our society is overly hygienic and that it was causing higher rates of allergy and immune system issues.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by westopher

Maybe they can borrow one of the 300 cops they have on the lowered car task force.

Gotta protect the public from sport mode exhaust notes, though.

[Manic!]

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[twdm]

Originally Posted by unit

are you making the case against the effectiveness of social distancing? i mean, how is it exactly that you think any of the countries that are having declining new cases managed to do that otherwise?

I'm making the case against city-wide stay at home lockdowns. There is no evidence it is effective. Handwashing and other basic precautions is the only evidence-based practices we have.

On one hand, you lockdown, but you don't know how many or if you save any additional lives. What you know for sure is that you'll fuck up the economy and put millions out of jobs.

Alternatively, you can do basic social distancing and precautions, which may or may not be worse than lockdown, but you don't fuck up your economy.

How many hospitals and previously uncovered medical treatments could we have funded with the trillions of stimulus money wasted? You couldve probably funded enough ICU beds for the next 20 years with that money. How many lives would be saved there?

https://www.ft.com/content/a2b4c18c-...7-ade4a82a548d

I think this is a good read regardless of your views. It is some insight into why sweden is doing what sweden is doing.

[welfare]

https://globalnews.ca/news/6927418/c...symptoms-test/

Despite having any symptoms for COVID-19 after resigning from CHSLD Herron in Dorval, nurse Kristy-Lyn Kemp insisted she be tested for the virus before starting a new job at another seniors residence.

“So I called (the COVID-19 hotline). … I told them I had been working at Herron, it was a COVID hot zone, I was around the sick, I was around people who were passing away but I was asymptomatic and they told me flat out, ‘nope you don’t need a test’,” said Kemp.

She said she called back a second time speaking French, out of fear they would recognize her voice from earlier, and pretended to be ill.

“I made up symptoms. I said I had a fever, I have a cough.”

The next day she had an appointment at the Beaconsfield testing centre — 24 hours later she learned she tested positive.

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by welfare

Didn't they change the date to may 25th?
I believe they're also restricting class sizes. Schools reopening is also dependent on whether the rates improve.

Looks like Quebec schools are open today but schools in Montreal area (hardest hit) are delayed till May 25th

It's back-to-school day for thousands of students across Quebec

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...y-11-1.5563692

Teachers and staff at schools across Quebec have spent the last two weeks moving desks, rearranging schedules and putting down tape in hallways to mark the two-metre distance their students will have to observe when they return to school on Monday.

The province is the first in Canada to widely reopen its schools after closing in March. Schools in the Montreal area, however, where the number of COVID-19 cases is far higher than the rest of the province, will remain closed until May 25.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Looks like Quebec schools are open today but schools in Montreal area (hardest hit) are delayed till May 25th

It's back-to-school day for thousands of students across Quebec

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...y-11-1.5563692

Teachers and staff at schools across Quebec have spent the last two weeks moving desks, rearranging schedules and putting down tape in hallways to mark the two-metre distance their students will have to observe when they return to school on Monday.

The province is the first in Canada to widely reopen its schools after closing in March. Schools in the Montreal area, however, where the number of COVID-19 cases is far higher than the rest of the province, will remain closed until May 25.

Anyone really think kids will be able to stay 2 meters apart when adults can't do it?

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Now that most people (save some libertarians) know that this shit is serious and are taking preventative measures, I don't see the reason of continuing the lockdown.

Things must be better down there because here everyone still seems clueless. Picking up groceries on Saturday nobody was staying 6ft apart in the line outside, only 1 person had a mask, loads of people were in unnecessary groups and 3 people came out with nothing but flowers. 20+ parents and kids from 6+ households playing together in the street outside my place.

I know the people putting in more effort are less visible because they're at home as much as possible but fucking come on.

[68style]

Yah everything I saw in a couple of very brief outings I had on the weekend showed me that people in general have said “fuck it” and don’t care anymore. I’d have gone hoarse just trying to instruct people if I had bothered on one grocery shopping trip and 1 picnic lunch in a park with my s.o.

Cant wait for the restoration of draconian measures again when there’s a giant surge of cases sometime next week.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by underscore

Things must be better down there because here everyone still seems clueless. Picking up groceries on Saturday nobody was staying 6ft apart in the line outside, only 1 person had a mask, loads of people were in unnecessary groups and 3 people came out with nothing but flowers. 20+ parents and kids from 6+ households playing together.

I know the people putting in more effort are less visible because they're at home as much as possible but fucking come on.

I mean, there'd be instances where things aren't what they supposed to be. However, the idea is still the same, at least people know that this virus is highly contagious and can be deadly.

Wherever I go, say Costco, or any essential needs stores, I see most of people using masks and rigorously clean up the cart when wipes are provided. So, awareness is definitely there.

And such awareness is what we need to push the "new normal". So, people would be used to maintaining distance in malls/stores/any public spaces really and maintain high level of hygienic practices as well as really know what to do in situations like possible exposure, getting sick, etc. Plus things like minimize gathering, avoid non-essential travels... etc.

I don't know how things are up in the Okanagan... but it'd be hard to believe that people are still clueless and complete ignore prevention protocols.

[SkinnyPupp]

Beaverton: Quebec suddenly fine with people covering their faces

[320icar]

[Ch28]

The second wave of COVID-19 is going to fucking destroy us given how everyone just didn't give a shit this weekend because HoT SuMmEr WeAtHeR #nolockdown #freedom

[punkwax]

Braved Walmart for the first time in 8 weeks yesterday (needed a one stop shop to keep on schedule for Mother’s Day) and pretty much everyone were ignoring the arrows on the floor. At one point I had 4-5 people heading straight toward me and said “you guys realize you’re not supposed to going this way, right?” and every single one of them all must have lost their ability to understand or communicate in English because I was completely ignored.

[MarkyMark]

One thing that annoys me about the arrows is you get the assholes window shopping the most popular areas of the store. Grab a carton of eggs and move on bud you're not the only person in the store.

[Hondaracer]

No one has followed the rules since the beginning.

I stayed in consistently and only work and home and essential groceries for about 3-4 weeks before I basically started going where I want, when I want to get non-essential groceries, vanity items, etc. Also eating out at work 75%+ of the time at varying restys and take out places.

No one wears masks. Like maybe when you go to a crowded superstore etc there are more but on average I’d say under 10% total wear masks. People do not wear masks in multi-family dwellings like high rises, low rises etc as far as I’ve seen. I have not once seen cleaning of exterior or interior points of contact by people who manage these buildings.

I occasionally will see people wipe down interac key pads or give you hand sanitizer at the door etc. However, these people are not doing it every time, nor do they seem to understand the How transmission or cross contamination works.

People have been getting together in groups of more than people you live with since the beginning because either A) they are too dumb to understand the gravity of the situation or B) they simply don’t care.

With that said I really don’t see how you can really say how effective the overall strategy is. Public transit is obviously a big transmission point, as would large gatherings like Canucks games etc. However, people have been ignoring the guidelines from the beginning. It’s not just this past weekend at the beach. Imo if community transmission was as big of an issue as it’s said to be, we would be wayyyy worse off.

Even at work for me, a giant company does not understand nor provide adequate information and teaching as to properly remove PPE. As I said before I used to run asbestos abatements with my former company. The procedure to remove PPE for particles which are essentially visible to the naked eye takes 7-10 minutes. Companies thinking its adequate to wear a surgical mask and wipe down your phone while going into high rises of 600+ People are out of their fucking minds. If the virus was present on a surface you touched, you’ve got it if it’s as contagious as led to believe.

So if we go a couple weeks and see no spike in cases, or everything continues to level off and decline, I think you seriously have to look at other factors such as quality of living, accessibility, density, and overall general health of the lower mainland population as oppose to “strict” controls which achieved this current state.

[320icar]

Where do you live? When I go to Costco/superStore I it’s 80%+ wearing masks

[twitchyzero]

comes down to where you frequent

t&t majority of shoppers are masked and they check temps at the entrance
costco's got the wiping/distancing down to a science

for some reason even though we acted relatively late and have relatively low mask usage, vancouver and BC has managed weather it decently outside of semi-isolated outbreaks at institutions, are we on average just that much healthier with stronger immunity than most of north america?

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 320icar

Where do you live? When I go to Costco/superStore I it’s 80%+ wearing masks

I’d say Costco Willingdon is under 30% when I’ve got and Costco gaglardi or whatever is less than that.

Donald’s market is my closest Grocer which is probably under 30% and then Nesters where my parents live in a fairly affluent neighborhood is literally zero. You’re the oddball if you’re wearing one.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

t&t majority of shoppers are masked and they check temps at the entrance
costco's got the wiping/distancing down to a science

Wife went to Willingdon Costco over the weekend and said it's a giant shit show inside. A majority of the people don't follow the physical distancing rules and the only thing that Costco has done was hand you wipes.

[The Producer]

haven't been in any box stores in 6? weeks now? no need whatsoever.

shop online - grocery and meal delivery, then hit up the local green grocer for some fresh veg and maybe a fresh loaf of bread. We do 1 take out night a week.

Why would anybody willingly go into a costco right now? I'm not trying to be mean, I just can't think of anything dumber than to intentionally expose yourself to hundreds of people - masks or no masks.

[Euro7r]

Today I was walking down the street alone for medical checkup and a lady (mid 50's) comes out of no where from the alley and walks onto the sidewalk. She gets OCD and walks off onto the grass and stands there waiting for me to pass as she saw me walking towards her. Then I walk past her and she goes "could have at least walked off to the side". Stay the fuck home if you are so scared of being out. Not gonna indicate what ethnicity as it's irrelevant but if it bothers them so much, either don't go out at all or run away to opposite street then. My rant of the afternoon.

[westopher]

I'm curious what ethnicity she was if it seemed to strike a chord with you. I agree with you though on the sentiment, if you can't handle being on the same street as someone, you are going to need to stay home on your own accord.

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by The Producer

haven't been in any box stores in 6? weeks now? no need whatsoever.

shop online - grocery and meal delivery, then hit up the local green grocer for some fresh veg and maybe a fresh loaf of bread. We do 1 take out night a week.

Why would anybody willingly go into a costco right now? I'm not trying to be mean, I just can't think of anything dumber than to intentionally expose yourself to hundreds of people - masks or no masks.

Costco has good pricing on lots of products and they have been one of few retailers that has a strong supply chain - certainly better than the Weston chains or Sobeys. Plus, people are bored and with the malls closed, they carry a lot of household goods such as electronics, sporting goods, clothing, and gardening supplies.

[westopher]

I haven't seen a single issue with the supply chain in any locally owned grocery store I have been to, but to be fair, I am probably more willing to adapt if certain foods aren't there. Never had an issue with shit tickets and the like though. If people are bored there's a few hundred better ideas than Costco. That's exactly the issue here. If people are just going to go meander around the grocery stores and Costco because they are bored, why even bother with closing restaurants, parks and the like. It's like they are treating Costco like it's the Roxy without the puke soaked carpet and $7.25 bottles of Canadian.