EV charging in Condo and strata electricity rate

[whitev70r]

What a HUGE PITA for both strata and EV owner !!

[snowball]

So when you move do you get to rip that shit out of their wall? Man, I'd be annoyed if I paid for the installation and moved out the next month.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by snowball

So when you move do you get to rip that shit out of their wall? Man, I'd be annoyed if I paid for the installation and moved out the next month.

Why?

You more than likely increased your property's value by having an EV charger.

[Eff-1]

Originally Posted by geeknerd

Yeah the changes are in the rule book.

1. The Strata Corporation will charge a user fee (the “User Fee”) of $0.20 per kilo watt hour
(kwh) per month. The user fee is on top of what the monitoring company charges per
month for system access.

2. The Strata Corporation is entitled to change the amount of the User Fee from time to time
without notice to users in order to be consistent with any changes in the charges levied
against the Strata Corporation by BC Hydro for units of electricity consumption.


3. Owners wishing to install a charger must go through a contractor approved by the Strata
Corporation based on familiarity with building system and to ensure consistency of the
installation.
(To be ratified at next Annual General Meeting)

I'm not sure how far you want to fight this but those rules 1 and 2 are not enforceable without an AGM and 3/4 vote. And based on how they wrote 2, I think you could make the argument that they shouldn't charge a penny more than the actual BC Hydro rate. I would have written that rule differently if I were them

[PeanutButter]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

This thread is why I continue to pay $1.70/L, while crying inside.

There's no winning.

Buy an EV? Have fun charging regularly, or going long distances!
Buy a car? Have fun getting raped at the pump! Over $55K? Lube up for tax!
Buy a bike? Have fun looking for it on craigslist in a week!
Walk? Live closer to work? Sure, give me $250K for a downpayment on a shoebox!
Take the bus? ...yeah no thanks.

If you're a family, having one hybrid and one electric car seems to be the best strategy?

[hud 91gt]

Originally Posted by Eff-1

I'm not sure how far you want to fight this but those rules 1 and 2 are not enforceable without an AGM and 3/4 vote. And based on how they wrote 2, I think you could make the argument that they shouldn't charge a penny more than the actual BC Hydro rate. I would have written that rule differently if I were them

What is to say these bylaws were not there already set in the disclosure statement? Or voted on at the inaugural AGM?

Unless they just decided to set some new bylaws out of the blue? I find that hard to believe. Sounds like a large building which would be a managed strata. I’m on council for an unmanaged strata, that stuff only flies in places like mine. Haha.

[Eff-1]

Originally Posted by hud 91gt

What is to say these bylaws were not there already set in the disclosure statement? Or voted on at the inaugural AGM?

Unless they just decided to set some new bylaws out of the blue? I find that hard to believe. Sounds like a large building which would be a managed strata. I’m on council for an unmanaged strata, that stuff only flies in places like mine. Haha.

Sure, anything is possible. The bylaws could already be there. OP hasn't clarified. But since this sounds like a brand new system the Strata is putting in themselves, I was just guessing accordingly.

Also, OP mentioned these are Rules, not Bylaws. Rules are usually written by the Council. At least in our case, the developer doesn't create the first set of rules, only files the first set of Bylaws. There is no voting to approve Bylaws or Rules at the inaugural AGM. It's actually after the first year that the owners will get their first crack to amend bylaws and ratify the rules.

A council can make new Rules anytime they want. But what they can't do is use new Rules to charge new fees, until those Rules are 3/4 approved at the next AGM.

[GLOW]

for a hybrid, other than the hybrid battery replacement, is there any different/other additional maintenance items compared to a gas vehicle?

[geeknerd]

Originally Posted by snowball

So when you move do you get to rip that shit out of their wall? Man, I'd be annoyed if I paid for the installation and moved out the next month.

I own the condo. I can likely get the $ back and then some. I have no doubt in my mind it will be sought after.

Originally Posted by Eff-1

I'm not sure how far you want to fight this but those rules 1 and 2 are not enforceable without an AGM and 3/4 vote. And based on how they wrote 2, I think you could make the argument that they shouldn't charge a penny more than the actual BC Hydro rate. I would have written that rule differently if I were them

Nah I probably won't go that far as to referencing the rule book and arguing. I'm going to email them in sept to see how the numbers are looking. Probably accept their bs excuse of keeping a "buffer" premium.

Originally Posted by Eff-1

Sure, anything is possible. The bylaws could already be there. OP hasn't clarified. But since this sounds like a brand new system the Strata is putting in themselves, I was just guessing accordingly.

Also, OP mentioned these are Rules, not Bylaws. Rules are usually written by the Council. At least in our case, the developer doesn't create the first set of rules, only files the first set of Bylaws. There is no voting to approve Bylaws or Rules at the inaugural AGM. It's actually after the first year that the owners will get their first crack to amend bylaws and ratify the rules.

A council can make new Rules anytime they want. But what they can't do is use new Rules to charge new fees, until those Rules are 3/4 approved at the next AGM.

Yeah, brand new system.
Its from the rule book and had headers like "Approved Rules."

Any consent, approval or permission
given under these Rules must be given by the Strata Council, or the managing agent acting upon
the instructions of the Strata Council, and must be in writing.

Originally Posted by GLOW

for a hybrid, other than the hybrid battery replacement, is there any different/other additional maintenance items compared to a gas vehicle?

Not really. Not much fluid or moving parts for the electrical side so its low maintenance. Brakes also last longer. Most makers offer 8years warranty for their hybrid related components and even longer for the battery.

[GIZZ]

Originally Posted by CRS

Why?

You more than likely increased your property's value by having an EV charger.

Or for those that have no need for an EV charger, you decrease the property value with the $20 a month fee. Maybe pay a few thousand to have it removed.

Maybe they are not into EV, or they charge for free at work, who knows.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by GIZZ

Or for those that have no need for an EV charger, you decrease the property value with the $20 a month fee. Maybe pay a few thousand to have it removed.

Maybe they are not into EV, or they charge for free at work, who knows.

The shift is towards EV. The demand will be towards EV.

Why buy a place to remove something when there's more than likely someone that will buy it that sees it as a benefit.

[geeknerd]

Originally Posted by GIZZ

Or for those that have no need for an EV charger, you decrease the property value with the $20 a month fee. Maybe pay a few thousand to have it removed.

Maybe they are not into EV, or they charge for free at work, who knows.

You have the ability to activate/deactivate the account just like any service/hydro.

When its deactivated like I have it now since my car hasn't arrived yet, you pay 0.

[Expresso]

You are building value period. There's no downside here and no one is going to be ripping it out lol.