Filled up gas as Costco today, buddy lady Infront of me ignored the 30l limit sign and was still filling up her 4 runner when I was leaving and she started before me.

The gas Vs electric debate basically makes more sense the more you drive. Ie an average new car is let's say $40k plus after taxes. But rs $14 dollar ballers say Japanese cars are too shitty and can't pick up bitches. So let's say they ball out and get a 320 or c300 that's an easy $700 a month payment before gas and insurance. You can easily get a hybrid or phev for that monthly payment.

Next is gas debate, let's say your average pure gas car gets you 10l/ 100km on regular gas at $1.6, that's $16 to travel 100 km before oil changes and other maintenance. Let's assume 300 km a week, $16x3= $48 a week X 4 = $192 a month in just gas. That's your base cost just to get around even if you drive a free $0 shit box and only fill regular.

Based on playing around on BC hydro site, it will cost around $5 in electricity to charge a base model 3 with around 400 km range. So you are let's say paying $20 a month to travel the same distance as the gas car with much less maintenance.

The difference increases even more the more you drive. So basically the price you pay in gas pretty much pays for the ev payments. And in this weather the model 3 on regular 120v charges at around 8 km an hour, I've seen it go up to 12 km an hour on 120v. If you get home by 7 pm and plug in and let's say head out at 8 am in the morning you gain around 104 km in range over night, this should be more than enough for most people. You really don't need a 240v unless you drive a lot. And worse case scenario you can hit up a super charger and fill up for a few dollars in less than an hour.

You can have the plug on the outside of your house. The tesla charger is also waterproof and can be mounted outside.

Actually, every EV can accept 240V. If you ever look inside an L2 charger, all that's really inside is a contactor and some communication circuitry to tell the car how much current it can draw. All of the voltage/charge regulation happens within the car itself:


You could just carry one of these and be just as a capable as a Tesla: https://qccharge.com/collections/ev-...-j1772-charger

In your typical house the only available 240V outlets are going to be for the dryer and range. So maybe if your dryer is in the garage that would be the only place this would be convenient for a tesla? Otherwise you'd need to run a dedicated circuit anyways, so at that point it's not really much more work to install an L2 charger.

This is kind of where I'm stuck.

Ideally I'd replace the Speed 3 with an EV, and keep the F150 for road trips with my trailer and everything else around the house I need a truck for.

But the EV market doesn't have a segment right now that's really comparable to my Speed 3. You have your boring appliances like the Bolt/Leaf/Golf-E, then your SUV like the Mach E (I don't want an SUV), and then you have your Model 3 performance at $80K. Considering I drive the Speed 3 less than 5000kms/year it just makes absolutely no sense right now.

A fair number of places have the laundry room as the entry from the garage, so in a pinch you could run an extension cord. I know some guys do that for welders.

Yeah I could see doing this in a very infrequent/emergency manner.
But I mean for anyone who's going have an electric car as their primary vehicle they're going to want to hard wire a dedicated circuit. Constantly plugging/unplugging switching between car and dryer would be a pain in the ass. Especially if you're like my wife and likes to do laundry at night, "oops, car's dead forgot to change plugs to the car after the dryer was finished last night!"

A friend of mine has an overloaded panel with a 240v charger, the electrician that did it for him said not to run the charger during the day in case someone is using the stove or dryer at the same time, so he sets the charge at 1am and ends it at 6am.

I guess you can set the time it chargers with a tesla.

He said it's definitely not up to code, but it works?

Seems a little sketchy to me, but I guess if there's a power issue, the breaker will just trip.

2 more weeks of rationing gas

:lawl:

Prob even longer if we continue to get these storms coming in.

Time for gas runs to the US again

Honestly ... this restriction has not had any effect on my day to day life whatsoever. I understand if you use your car for work and all but I think most, if not all, who deliver etc. have exemptions.

Gas prices dropped by 10 cents today, maybe people have reduced their driving due to rationing :awwyeah:

I feel like my car is the perfect solution for you.
Toyota 2021 Rav4 Prime.
Charge EV when you can at work, parking lots, etc and at home with level 1 charger.
Supplement with gas.

Had to wait a year to get this car though. Don't know how long the wait is now.

I love the idea of a PHEV, but just like all the others saying it, you now have the complexity and maintenance of both systems. One of the biggest draws to an EV is the simplification of mechanical components

You can always get a smart splitter.

Conveniently same time we can cross the border n return without a pcr test

Two years. Prius Prime is about a year.

No wonder why that cali dealership marked theirs up 2X

They saw an opening and took their shot. Really can't blame em if someone is willing to bite at 2X. Crazy times.

i dont even think barrett jackson will yield $100k for corolla platform haha

It will be interesting to find out how much more maintenance PHEV would be. I guess long after your battery dies, instead of dumping the car you can still drive it with ICE. And if most of your driving is with electric motors, the ICE would have low mileage. Given its a Toyota it probably keep going until the wheels fall off.

I hear Tesla owners rave about low (if any) maintenance on the EV engines. Is a PHEV electric motor that different? What maintenance are we referring to on the EV part of the hybrid engine?

Well a plug in hybrid really has the worst of both worlds

you will end up with a battery that will die and operate at a reduced capacity over time, and then you've got all the typical ICE components that break and need maintenance over time that a full EV doesnt, Differentials, timing components, water pumps etc.

So basically you have the maintenance of an ICE engine (which you would have had if you bought simply an ICE car) and the deteriorating life of the battery ... anything else on the EV side? On the upside, you get the improved fuel mileage and savings on gas for years ... I'm still not seeing the 'worst of both worlds'. So what if the battery dies in 10 years, you still have a functional car. If you have an EV and your battery dies in 10 years, what do you have?

Does anyone have real life experience with a PHEV that want to chime in instead of google searchers and keyboard mechanics?

I don't think the PHEVs have been around long enough for us to know what their long term reliability is like. We certainly know the Toyota hybrids have generally been very reliable, but that seems more like a function of them being Toyotas than being hybrids.

With the Toyota hybrids, gas mileage increases over time. We have a Prius in the family since it was new, and it used to get something like < 6L/100km. Now it is doing 7L+/100km at 140k+ km and 8 yrs old. The car is still trouble-free aside from regular maintenance, but we know the battery isn't what it used to be.