Japanese Ex-Prime Minister Shinzo Abe assassinated

[Traum]

On the note about gun building, I am actually kinda surprised that it was built out of wood / tape / pipes instead of being 3D printed.

[GGnoRE]

Originally Posted by Traum

I'd say the above description is only a rather small part of Abe's legacy.

What? No way. Would you feel the same way about Angela Merkel if she tried to whitewash Germany's involvement in the Holocaust despite all the survivors, third-party eye-witness testimonies, and physical evidence of mass war atrocities? Abe and his government have scraped much from school textbooks and have produced mass amnesia about Japan's horrific past in an attempt to whitewash Imperial Japan and Imperial Japan's war crimes. I'd say that deserves to be a pretty big part of Abe's legacy.

Originally Posted by Traum

Abenomics was instrumental in reviving Japan's stagnant economic

Abenomics was a failure as an economic policy and will become a textbook case study for future generations.

1. "During the years of the Abe administration, real GDP growth averaged only 0.9% (2020 is excluded because of the COVID-19 pandemic). Corresponding figures were 1.0% for the 2001–6 Koizumi administration, 1.5% for the 2009–12 period when the Democratic Party of Japan was in power, and 0.9%, when Prime Ministers Hashimoto Ryūtarō (1996–98) and Obuchi Keizō (1998–2000) were engaged in massive public works spending. And not only does the Abe administration rank the lowest in GDP growth (annualized rate based on quarterly real GDP), personal consumption also recorded negative growth during the Abe years." https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topi...eal%20economy.
   
   
2. Not a lot of economic results to show for while borrowing a crushing amount of debt. Abe's government dug themselves into a massive hole and Japan will have to pay the price for it eventually. Under Abenomics, Japan launched an unprecedented asset-buying scheme that have lead to Japanese government now owning half of their own government bond market and 80% of their domestic equity ETFs. Despite all that, demand-driven inflation is still too weak, and is well below rates in other major economies. So while global peers are raising interest rates to tame inflation, Japan's central bank can't wean the country off its milk bottle. Just last week, Apple announced ~20% price increase for iPhone 13 in Japan due to their currency tanking ~20% against the dollar year-to-date. https://www.imore.com/iphone-13-pric...apan-nearly-20

[320icar]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys

Gun bans don't stop criminals from getting, or in this case, building guns.

The problem is, people like Bouncing Betty’s have the mentality that “I’m right, everyone else is wrong”. So when we call him a fucking brain dead idiot, to him that’s just affirmation of how right he is, and how foolish we are.

In 2018, Japan, a country of 125 million people, only reported nine deaths from firearms -- compared with 39,740 in the United States.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys

It isn't the right thread? Please do enlighten me, what is the purpose of this thread?

The body isn't even cold yet and you are talking about gun control. Have you no shame?

2 shots in under 5 seconds. In the Us that would have been an easy 10 plus shots.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Traum

On the note about gun building, I am actually kinda surprised that it was built out of wood / tape / pipes instead of being 3D printed.

You need a higher end 3D printer and know what you are doing to be able to 3D print a gun.

[Traum]

There is no denying that Abe was a right wing nationalist, and that he was far more right wing than most of his predecessors / successors. I do not agree at all with his historical views on the Imperial Japanese era, and of course the Textbook Reforms will leave a black mark in his legacy. The lens of history will determine whether Abe is judged more for his views and policies on this, or whether his other policies shaped the bigger part of his reputation.

Originally Posted by GGnoRE

What? No way. Would you feel the same way about Angela Merkel if she tried to whitewash Germany's involvement in the Holocaust despite all the survivors, third-party eye-witness testimonies, and physical evidence of mass war atrocities? Abe and his government have scraped much from school textbooks and have produced mass amnesia about Japan's horrific past in an attempt to whitewash Imperial Japan and Imperial Japan's war crimes. I'd say that deserves to be a pretty big part of Abe's legacy.

I can't claim to be an expert on the Japanese economy, and most accounts claim Abeconomic was only a mixed success. But IMO, many of critics and commentators are consciously or unconsciously neglecting to mention the white elephant in the room, while only looking at the straight numbers like you have mentioned below. Japan's white elephant is its continually dwindling and aging population. When you look at Japan's economic track record thru Abe's prime ministership under that light, the fact that it was able to achieve what it achieved was already nothing short of incredible. During Abe's tenure, unemployment dropped to record low levels, and Japan saw the longest consecutive economic growth streak in nearly 30 years. In the world that we are living in right now, there is no viable societal - economic model that can maintain continual economy growth despite having a declining and aging population.

Originally Posted by GGnoRE

Abenomics was a failure as an economic policy and will become a textbook case study for future generations.

1. "During the years of the Abe administration, real GDP growth averaged only 0.9% (2020 is excluded because of the COVID-19 pandemic). Corresponding figures were 1.0% for the 2001–6 Koizumi administration, 1.5% for the 2009–12 period when the Democratic Party of Japan was in power, and 0.9%, when Prime Ministers Hashimoto Ryūtarō (1996–98) and Obuchi Keizō (1998–2000) were engaged in massive public works spending. And not only does the Abe administration rank the lowest in GDP growth (annualized rate based on quarterly real GDP), personal consumption also recorded negative growth during the Abe years." https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topi...eal%20economy.
   
   
2. Not a lot of economic results to show for while borrowing a crushing amount of debt. Abe's government dug themselves into a massive hole and Japan will have to pay the price for it eventually. Under Abenomics, Japan launched an unprecedented asset-buying scheme that have lead to Japanese government now owning half of their own government bond market and 80% of their domestic equity ETFs. Despite all that, demand-driven inflation is still too weak, and is well below rates in other major economies. So while global peers are raising interest rates to tame inflation, Japan's central bank can't wean the country off its milk bottle. Just last week, Apple announced ~20% price increase for iPhone 13 in Japan due to their currency tanking ~20% against the dollar year-to-date. https://www.imore.com/iphone-13-pric...apan-nearly-20

As an unrelated side note, China is marching down that same path of aging and dwindling population as well, although the pace at which it is moving through that road is far faster than Japan. IMO, the Chinese economy is also a far bigger house of cards than Japan's because of how much it has been hollowed out by corruption and made-up stats. It'll be interesting to watch how China's economic future unfolds over the next 20 - 30 years.

[StylinRed]

It was a homemade gun out of wood metal and duct tape, I thought it was going to be a 3D printed gun at first wow and it was good enough for both his shots to hit Abe in the neck wtf

They aren't naming what group the man believes Abe to be a part of, but say they are investigating if other members of that group are at risk of being targeted... What group is this?

[Traum]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

It was a homemade gun out of wood metal and duct tape, I thought it was going to be a 3D printed gun at first wow and it was good enough for both his shots to hit Abe in the neck wtf

I can't find which video it was anymore, but one of the ones I watched showed how close the attacker was to Abe at the time when he fired off his shot. Of course the quality of the video wasn't very good, so it is difficult to make any semi-accurate judgements on distance, but based on what the video showed, I wouldn't surprised if the attacker was only 5 - 6m away from Abe when he let off his shots.

[Hakkaboy]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys

There is a difference between control and bans. I'm all for controlling access to guns and keeping them out of the hands of the mentally unsound, criminals, etc.. Not allowing law abiding citizens to posses guns does nothing to stop criminals from acquiring or making them.

Judging by the seemingly slow reaction by security, the false sense of security of a gun ban and the culture of minimal violence may explain why guards were slow to react to the second shot (reportedly 4 seconds after the first).

what the hell is a law abiding citizen? Someone who doesn't drive over the speed limit? Because if you do speed, you're breaking the law and therefore not abiding it, are you?

I didn't know you wanted to ban all gun sales. Colour me surprised.

[Traum]

Came across this commentary / analysis with some really good footage that I haven't seen before:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?exti...22598328850687

You can see the video for yourself, but what is mind-boggling is, the gunman actually missed his first shot, but was able to continue moving forward another few steps so that by the time he was firing his 2nd shot, he was as close as ~3m away from Abe. Obviously, it is pretty darn hard to miss an adult human sized target that is only 3m away.

[twitchyzero]

im aware he comes from the lineage of a war criminal, does he actually deny or just hush-hush?

i believe he was the first head of state from japan to visit pearl harbor, this was with obama

[SkinnyPupp]

When I read about "Abenomics" the thing I see most is that it wasn't necessarily a success, but also things could have been much, much worse without it. So in a way, it was used to avoid utter catastrophe.

[Manic!]

This whole law abiding citizen narrative pushed by gun nuts is B.S. There is no way for the government to know if a person is law abiding. The government only knows if a person has been convicted of a crime.

Lets look at Hondaracer. He is a gun owner and a person who is not a law abiding citizen because he has admitted to smoking weed before it was legal. Technically he should not be allowed to own a gun but he has never been caught.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Manic!

This whole law abiding citizen narrative pushed by gun nuts is B.S. There is no way for the government to know if a person is law abiding. The government only knows if a person has been convicted of a crime.

Lets look at Hondaracer. He is a gun owner and a person who is not a law abiding citizen because he has admitted to smoking weed before it was legal. Technically he should not be allowed to own a gun but he has never been caught.

Just ignore them, their brains are poisoned.

[T4RAWR]

I'm surprised cic hasn't stepped in yet.

I'm looking forward to his commentary

[StylinRed]

I don't think there would be a spin for him, Japan is it's own world and their own terror groups and conspiracy groups etc, we'd need a Japanese version of cic

[Badhobz]

Where did Charles go !?!?!!

[CharlesInCharge]

Due to censorship and thread bans its not worth the energy for me to post much on the forum... but Japan lost its independence with the last Samurais.
I believe the Anglo Zionist empire controlled Japan since, and after backed opposing sides of the world wars to create order out of chaos. The reasoning for dropping nukes on Japan was to terrorize the rest of the world of how ruthless it is but also for testing it on a populated city.

The guy who killed Abe is reported to have reasoned the assassination because of a group the former prime minister was in.

At the end of the day Abe was a powerless puppet, he falsely presented Japan as independent to his people. He may have done good things and planning for more against the wishes of his puppet masters (tin foil hat on* maybe thats why he was killed like Kennedy as an example for future politicians) but we'll never know.

One could see the same kind of insignia that these past time agents wore representing the empire.
https://i.imgur.com/sUI3toQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rR2cCe9.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

I don't think there would be a spin for him, Japan is it's own world and their own terror groups and conspiracy groups etc, we'd need a Japanese version of cic

lol how could you underestimate how demented he is after all these years?

[MG1]

One word. Yakuza.

[hud 91gt]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

It was a homemade gun out of wood metal and duct tape, I thought it was going to be a 3D printed gun at first wow and it was good enough for both his shots to hit Abe in the neck wtf

They aren't naming what group the man believes Abe to be a part of, but say they are investigating if other members of that group are at risk of being targeted... What group is this?

The thing could have been made of mashed potatoes. Everything the Japanese do, is god damn perfect, even if it took him 25 years to build.

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by Manic!

This whole law abiding citizen narrative pushed by gun nuts is B.S. There is no way for the government to know if a person is law abiding. The government only knows if a person has been convicted of a crime.

it ain't breaking the law if you never been caught amirite

[Infiniti]

Originally Posted by Traum

There is no denying that Abe was a right wing nationalist, and that he was far more right wing than most of his predecessors / successors. I do not agree at all with his historical views on the Imperial Japanese era, and of course the Textbook Reforms will leave a black mark in his legacy. The lens of history will determine whether Abe is judged more for his views and policies on this, or whether his other policies shaped the bigger part of his reputation.



I can't claim to be an expert on the Japanese economy, and most accounts claim Abeconomic was only a mixed success. But IMO, many of critics and commentators are consciously or unconsciously neglecting to mention the white elephant in the room, while only looking at the straight numbers like you have mentioned below. Japan's white elephant is its continually dwindling and aging population. When you look at Japan's economic track record thru Abe's prime ministership under that light, the fact that it was able to achieve what it achieved was already nothing short of incredible. During Abe's tenure, unemployment dropped to record low levels, and Japan saw the longest consecutive economic growth streak in nearly 30 years. In the world that we are living in right now, there is no viable societal - economic model that can maintain continual economy growth despite having a declining and aging population.



As an unrelated side note, China is marching down that same path of aging and dwindling population as well, although the pace at which it is moving through that road is far faster than Japan. IMO, the Chinese economy is also a far bigger house of cards than Japan's because of how much it has been hollowed out by corruption and made-up stats. It'll be interesting to watch how China's economic future unfolds over the next 20 - 30 years.

Asia and its xenophobia

[Infiniti]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

(tin foil hat on*

Oh the irony!

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ction-blinken/

Turns out that this guy's mother was a member of one of the many cults (or "modern religions" as they're called there). They completely ripped her off and bankrupted her.

Abe (and many other politicians in his party) had ties to this cult (actually Trump did too, but just a paid speaking arrangement) so that's who he went after.

I'm not sure how well known it is, but Japan has IMO a pretty big problem with these cults. Basically take Scientology and multiply it by dozens, because that's how many there are. They all recruit heavily, and will rip off anyone in any way they see fit. And a lot of them have ties to the LDP, Abe's party. That's probably why it's not really being reported in mainstream Japanese news.